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I am pro good cop as well, it does seem there are less of them than I thought. Seem like cops lying and taking advantage of people that do not know the law is being seen more and more now that everyone has cameras.

I guess the way I read it was the bounty hunter had used his vehicle to block the guy in, It seems to me the BH was at his vehicle when the guy pulled up. The BH pulled his firearm and the guy hit reverse to get away thats when he was shot. That was what I got from the story. It does say the guy may have tried to hit the BH. I guess if he pulled up to the blocked gate or was it another exit gate that was just locked. The bounty hunter had found the man driving in the apartment complex’s parking lot and he blocked in the vehicle as it pulled up to a locked exit gate, the sheriff said. The bounty hunter got out of his car, pointed a gun at the wanted man, and fired into the vehicle as it drove in reverse, according to Gonzalez.

Seems to me the guy driving in reverse trying to get away would be questionable use of deadly force.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/10/13/man-with-crowbar-shot-by-driver-during-road-rage-incident-n50880

I just figured all the open carry fans here would enjoy seeing a place that makes it normal. I guess if your going to rob the place and there are 8 or 10 people open carrying how would they pic to target first. lol

From the Our Story page. Shooters Grill is located on the South side of East 3rd Street in downtown Rifle. Gun-themed and old-timey American restaurant serving traditional breakfast, burgers & steaks. Stop by our restaurant and enjoy great food and a VERY safe place to eat it. Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner, our food and service will make you happy. That is our place: Happy, safe and fun. We’re armed and ready to feed you

How is that click bait? Its the site of a Restaurant that most of the employees open carry.

https://shootersgrill.com/ Looks like a great place to get a burger.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy I guess you can make studies show whatever you want them to. You think they help go for it.

Not sure a mask makes much difference. Maybe a N95 fitted properly would. Cloth mask are of no use at all, surgical mask may help with a cough or sneeze but it just redirects more than anything. The docs my wife works for say a mask may help 20%. Less if not worn properly. They also seem to need adjusted a lot while wearing so one tends to have their hands around their face a lot more. Most of the people i know that have gotten 19 wore a mask and got it from a mask wearer. The sickest guy I know that lived got it from his wife that worked in a med office, she got it from a PA there, all wore mask. I saw a report the the 6 feet social distancing was a arbitrary number not based on any science. So not sure how far away from people one needs to stay. Wash your hands a lot and protect our lungs. We have a nebulizer for the lungs.

I thought it was interesting Newsweek tried to tie it to the new gun law.

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2021/09/20/permitless-carry-kids-n50100

Glock 26 or vp9sk with 2 extra mags for each.

Ok, not sure that has anything to do with being the first target because of open carry but thanks.

Just for the record I conceal 99 percent of the time. But not because I am concerned about being shot first. I also have a sign in my yard warning that I have a security system at my house. I am hoping the bad guy will look at that and move on to a easier target. Let the bashing begin, lol

Ok if your looking at what if's maybe the bad guy sees to guy open carrying and decides to find an easier target. There are thousands of these stories but looking for someone that was targeted because they were open. That is the claim.

I guess you did not understand my statement. Some have said they did not want a Ken or Karen confronting them about their firearm, that was one of the reasons they like to conceal, my point was Ken or Karen would not notice me carrying a firearm so that would not concern me. My comment about you confronting someone you saw open carrying was about you not them. Again my guess is that you would not confront someone you saw carrying just because they were carrying. Hope that clears it up for you. I am not trying to be wrong or right just because you think differently than I do, so what. That does not make either of us wrong or right just different. My original point is that I have not seen neither does it make sense to me that if one open carry's makes them the first target. Has it happened in the history of people carrying firearm? Maybe. Is that a logical reason to conceal, not in my book. If it becomes a problem that starts happening, Ok that's a good reason to conceal. It's not a contest to see who is right or wrong as you seem to think. I am not here to prove someone right or wrong. I am here to rub elbows with other like minded people. I love a good debate but not here to prove someone wrong or to prove I a right, I got over that in middle school.

Dude, I look forward to what you can find. Good luck, no matter how wrong you are. Frankly if you have to go back 30+ years to find something I think I have proven my point. Keep your firearm concealed so you will not be the first one shot. Lol, There are plenty of reason to conceal carry but that's not one of them.

I would also note that very few people that carry concealed are not all that concealed. I have seen plenty of guys that are printing in one way or the other. Maybe as the sit down or move one way or the other, If your looking you can see most of the time. So how does that work if open carrying makes you a target then does printing make you one as well? Even with a ankle holster if someone looks long enough they can spot something. I tend to not care, if someone sees something or not. That's just me.

So your telling me a bad guy comes into a business to rob it or some other criminal reason and they see a cop there so they shoot the cop first and then continue on with the reason they are there? I would love to hear all the stories about those things happening, please share so that I can learn. Maybe because your a cop makes you a target maybe. If I am sitting in a restaurant and a bad guy comes in how is he going to know if someone is open carrying unless he has been there and had time to check everyone out. Please share with me some situations that a cop or any other open carrying person was targeted other than just being a cop.

Your free to carry as you like but the reasons seem strange to me. There is no reason for one to think they would be the first target nothing. Secondly your assuming people would be concerned about you walking around armed. Very few people I know would give a rip. They element of surprise makes the most sense I guess to me. I would think the determent of knowing there are armed people around and fast access to one firearm probably off sets that. In my book. Just my opinion.

And frankly you can notice me all you want very few people have that I was aware of. Some had mentioned they did not want to deal with Ken's and Karen's about why they are armed. My point was that Ken a Karen would not notice me carrying. My guess is also you would not confront someone you saw OC'ing either.

My guess would be that drug addicts are not scanning the crowd with the plan on shooting anyone they see open carrying either. If they were robbing restaurants with uniformed cops there then surely they did not take the time to scan the crowd looking for a someone OC'ing. Sort of made my point for me, thanks. Sorry I have not seen many domestic or foreign terrorists in east tn. I would guess if they came in shooting AK 47's it will not matter if one is open carrying or concealed. I guess I could dream up a scenario that one that is open carrying would make them a target but to date it is just wild situations that are very unlikely to actually happen.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2021/09/13/inflation-expectations-hit-all-time-high-in-n-y-fed-survey/ Maybe this one is better. But this is just about expectations.

I have tried inside the IWB and hate them. I also tuck my shirt in. Generally I am in a business casual attire. Dress slacks and golf shirt. I also not a fan of lose fitting cloths.