GlockSpock

You are likely 99.9% correct regarding Trump in 2020. It'll be him vs. someone very, very anti-gun. But that doesn't mean the fine folks here at TGO will be spared from hearing me complain about Trump's fallacies. So...no votes were for sale? I guess that's a fact. But surely, surely the "monstrous" NRA that the left seems to be so afraid of could have met with Trump? Surely, surely Wayne could have met with Trump, stated that the NRA supported all gun rights, and that if he pushed the anti gun/anti bump stock agenda, they'd have to lower their support rating of him and write critical articles of him. They could have simply suggested that doing so would cause him to lose the support of some gun owners, which would translate to less votes. What did they do instead? https://home.nra.org/joint-statement And that...is the single reason I refuse to give a dime or even a penny to the worthless, filthy organization known as the NRA. But hey, it's their priority to reverse the Hughes Amendment.

Another tangent coming from me as well. I love this comment, and it inspired me to make the following statement. I love TGO and all of its contributing, fruitful members. I myself and not like some people, let me define "some people" in that regard, can argue all day long with my best friend and not get mad. Some people: Refers to some people I've met over my lifetime. Friends, family, coworkers, etc. "Those guys" that everyone knows at least one of. So. I'm not like "some people" in the sense that I can disagree 100% with someone on basically anything and/or everything. I can still consider that person a good friend. I don't have to agree with someone somewhat or mostly in order to identify or find friendship with them. With many people (such as perhaps members here at TGO), I can find myself in a wonderful debate. I can disagree with someone 100%. As long as that person does not take personal offense as to who I am, I'm perfectly fine in finding friendship with that person. Anti-gun people, vegetarians, pro or anti LGBTQ people, global warming supports or planet coolers, democrats and/or liberals, I can generally call any of them my friend if they personally do not hate me for who I am. I am who I am, but if you respect me I can generally find room to respect you. A lot of what a person believes is shaped by their experiences. In different experiences, it may be possible that I'd hold vastly different values. For an example, if my mother was shot by a drunk guy wearing an NRA shirt, I may not be a gun supporter. I enjoy a good debate. It can be very beneficial. I enjoy debating issues for the fact that it keeps me open minded. It makes me defend my own opinions. Some people (again, read definition of "some people" shown above) only like hanging out with people that are like minded. I have the opinion that doing so is fine, but these people run the danger of confirmation bias and perhaps not challenging their opinions enough. Therefore sometimes I enjoy surrounding myself with people that hold different opinions. My thoughts on general topics in life? Test what you believe. Debate. Defend what you believe. Be open to the possibility that you could, at any point in time, be wrong about something.

Well I'm special. I am one of those 9. I sincerely believe Trump turned his back on gun owners over bump stocks. Are they worthless? Yes. Do I want one? No. Do I care that they are worthless and they are now considered a machine-gun and thus illegal? 100%. Republican House, Republican Senate at the time. Absolutely, 100% nothing had to be done at that time. He could have shown his sadness over Las Vegas and moved on. People said he was just "working the art of the deal, he's probably going to work something to trade bump stocks for the Hearing Protection Act". Well, he played hard, dealt hard, and got bump stocks classified as machine-guns. How? He suggested that the ATF review them to see if they should or should not be legal. What did we get? I'll ask again. What did we get? What...did...we...get? Where was the NRA? I honestly cannot even remember what the NRA was doing at the time. Yes I do, they needed money to fight the Democrats. Now Trump is making comments about not liking suppressors, not one bit. He likes the idea of banning them. So, what sort of awesome deal can he art for us this time? This is going to be great, especially if he wins another turn. He'll artfully negotiate our rights away one at a time, all the while Trump supporters will pretend to agree with it ---- pretend that he's got some long con game ---- pretend he's better than Obama for our rights ---- and then gripe during either the 2020 or 2024 election that Democrats are taking our rights/guns away. To be fair, I never considered Trump a pro-gun candidate. I thought he might be a less anti-gun president than Hilary, and so far I think I was correct. But Trump was not and is not pro-gun, he's Pro Trump and whatever tickles his boat and floats his fancy at the time. If he even has an inkling that he'd receive praise for signing away suppressors, I think he would do it. He doesn't care that they are already heavily regulated and taxed with stiff penalties for infractions. And either way, it's dangerous. If he does it by Executive Order that sets an extremely dangerous precedent and stage for true believers, truly anti-gun people. If he signs a bill passed by both the House and Senate, there is no telling what gets attached to it at the last moment (see Hughes Amendment for example). Yeah, I don't trust Trump with this or any gun related topics. I don't fear him as much as Hilary, but at least with Hilary we would have had gun owners united against her generally speaking. Now we have a lot of pro-gun people that are excusing the actions and words of Trump that would not be excused if it were Hilary in office.

Didn’t you read my previous post? The NRA is working on appealing the Hughes Amendment.

I will try to explain it, as I think about this a lot. Complacency. By us. I think we are much more vocal when someone such as "Obama and the Democrats" are "out to get our guns". But when we are "winning", time goes by and we forget. Since the Republicans are "our guys", we softly accept their answers of "now is not the time!" or "I tried but it didn't work". Us. That's the problem.

Trump...who has pro-gunningly "got more anti-gun stuff" done than Obama the Anti-Gunner.

I'm still waiting on this: Repealing the machine gun ban amendment tacked on to the McClure-Volkmer bill will be a high priority. Guess who! https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-nras-flip-flop-on-mac_b_2741689

Hey! It doesn't! And since someone beforehand mentioned the spirit of the law, don't all firearm restrictions violate the spirit of the 2nd Amendment?

Maybe now is a better time, but I'm not very optimistic that the Supreme Court will essentially recognize state's rights on an issue that has been considered federal for so long. I also expect that all of this anti-abortion stuff will be struck down as well.

I personally doubt that the courts will side with Kettler. I think it has generally been shown that federal law supersedes state law when more strict. Marijuana has been something that the feds have largely ignored in the "legalized" states. I doubt machine-guns and/or suppressors would/will be ignored if you started seeings large/any sales without tax stamps. I agree with the spirit of these state laws, but I doubt they will be proven to carry any weight. At best they'll prevent local or state LEO's from making arrests for these federal crimes. I guess Kettler was either really optimistic or decided from the beginning that he wanted to be the test case.

Also, and while I fully admit that he did violate a federal law, where is the NRA in this process?

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2019/06/supreme-court-to-rule-on-us-army-vets-unconstitutional-gun-suppressor-this-week-after-national-controversy/

Received an email from GOA regarding Jeremy and Kansas. Long story short, he purchased a suppressor from an unlicensed manufacturer. Why? Kansas has a law stating that all firearms, accessories and ammo manufactured and possessed inside the state are exempt from federal law. GOA and several AG from other states are backing the appeals. I guess if the Supreme Court actually makes a ruling, this will affect us and the country for years to come. In wake of the recent shooting suppressors are already a hot topic, but theoretically if you took all the legal, taxed suppressors and developed a crime rate, I imagine it would be inexplicably low.

Although I don't have any personal experience with them, based on research and reviews I would personally purchase these.

Didn't I read some article somewhere stating that Gallatin wasn't proficient enough to produce certain models and they were moving certain lines back to Italy? Between the M9 and 92FS, there is this: https://www.snipercountry.com/beretta-m9-vs-92fs/

Isn't typing 20/20 longer than 2020?

The Swiss are heavily armed...less so in the personal realm and mores in the militia realm, if I recall correctly. It seems most citizens are issued automatic weapons...that are kept at a local depot. Maybe I'm pulling all this out of somewhere worthless.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/british-police-station-mocked-for-tweeting-photo-of-dangerous-knife-collection-that-includes-a-spoon

Huh, didn't realize there was a market for those. It seems not so much aimed at the US market though.

Well, I guess technically they could be imported, but they'd be subject to 922r compliance, and as such, would need a bunch of US made parts. I don't think I've ever seen a foreign made AR-15. But that being said...I think the mindset she has is banning the import of anything "AR-15 Like", that we know as AK's, Tavors, SIG, etc.

I've as much told the poor people when they call me I'll donate to the NRA again when they become a pro-gun organization. They...don't know how to respond to that.

They are, a this point and in my opinion, nearly/likely just as bad for gun owners as good for us. I'd love to see the entire organization restructured and filled with people more interested in rights than status.

SIL = Sister-in-Law = Baptist Preacher? That's new. Southern Baptist? This is a very good comment. I've researched a lot of this stuff and looked through some of the books of the Apocrypha for fun. I honestly wasn't sure whether or not to let them influence me so I mostly just treated it as an enjoyable thing to do and leave it at that. I however did not realize some of them were in the 1611...that's not something you typically here preached from the KJV Only crowd. Something I really, really try to keep in mind is the following. Is the The Word (Bible) precious? Of course it is. But consider different time periods throughout history when the bible in any form did not exist or was not available. Then ask yourself whether it was possible to lead someone to salvation and continue and grow in the faith. I also try to keep all of that in mind regarding foolish arguments. I like doctrine. I personally hold doctrine to be important, although there are many aspects of it that I'm unsure of. Some folks seem to adhere to the belief that if your doctrine isn't 100% correct then the gift of salvation is not yours for the taking. I then try to consider what it would have been like to be a disciple or live in that time. They had faith, but no real structure in the sense that we have today. And although they had problems, just like we do today, they did continue the faith. Or you could simply take one or two verses from the Bible and consider them 100%, infallible, God inspired proof that the earth is flat. Hey, why not? This part of my comment is in cheek. I view things like this as generally a Christian or religious themed capitalistic ploy. Maybe the owners/creators of this entire thing had/have good intentions. To some, all things are innocent and then to others, Christmas trees themselves are a sign you are a pagan. This bothers me less than a lot. Every time I see someone selling goods of any kind in a church or church related event, I like to imagine Jesus pulling out his whip and turning tables over.

I didn't realize I needed this. Free floated hand guard, Glock magazines, "take-down" capable. I'm sold.

It's more like...what happens if a Chinese citizen, who lives in China, violates a United States law?