GlockSpock

[quote]Comparing us to the above mentioned countries is hardly a valid argument, in my opinion. The US probably has more guns and gun owners than all of those countries combined.[/quote] Pass a few laws and post a few penalties, and when it comes down to it it won't matter how many gunowners this country currently has. How many fathers would risk ten years jail-time per firearm when he has a family to take care of? How many working class people would risk an ammo stockpile at $100 per round fine? It will get really hairy when times really get rough and you have people going hungry. Then all the government has to do is offer food vouchers or monetary payoffs to anyone that reports any fellow comrades holding out. Today you may be shooting buddies, but if your buddy's family is starving, he may just give the government a call and tell them about that one place you hid a box of ammo with a rifle. Of course (hopefully) this is extreme, but if the government was allowed to do it and we were to let them get away with it, it is exactly how it could go down. Today's generations have no idea what suffering is like. They have no idea what freedom means. Of course the founding fathers of our country wouldn't balk at a confiscation of arms; They would fight and die for it. They knew what it meant to live under suppression; They knew what it meant to die freely. Unfortunately, I think the 2nd amendment is something that a very large percentage would sacrifice if it were announced that no firearms owner would be allowed to buy the newest iPhone or something. Today's generation doesn't care about being free; They care about whether they have WiFi access and whether or not they have unlimited data on their cell plan. Or at least I fear...

[quote]Someone told me that the powder is made to deteriorate in two years.[/quote] I have a feeling that this rumor stems from the rumor that was going around several years ago. There was talk going around that the government was going to require that powder in ammo would "break down" in a mere matter of a few years. The thought behind this was that it would allow the government to prevent stockpiles. What good is buying thousands of rounds to store if it isn't going to be good in a years time? This of course was rumor, and although I'm sure many in government love this idea, I don't know if there was really any basis behind the rumor.

[quote]Also I carry a glock 23 every Sunday in church with a tuckable holster. My draw is MAYBE a second slower than with an untucked shirt draped over. Again it's all about what you train for. The only thing you have to watch out for is the huggers. I dodge them when I see them coming haha.[/quote] My family and my wife's family are all huggers. I got in the habit a long time ago of "hugging low". This forces in most cases the other person to "hug high".

[quote]But if by some chance someone did have a firearm in church and it accidently discharged what then? That would be really messed up and I bet a person would probably have to change churches afterward! LOL! People would be scared to sit next to the guy. His whole pew, the pew in front of him, and the pew behind him; all empty! People are standing in the aisles and against the wall rather than sit by him. Am I wrong for thinking that would be funny as hell?[/quote] Negligent discharges are never funny. Outside of pure mechanical failure (which is practically nonexistent I would imagine), all negligent discharges can be prevented.

[quote]If you all are gonna continue to argue down my position with common sense and logic then I'm just not gonna talk anymore![/quote] This Sunday I expect a thread titled "So I finally got this right!".

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Lets try a little test.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Wear your gun IWB tuckable holster and time your draw.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Then...[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Put your gun in your car trunk and time your retrieval.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Whichever one is the fastest is what I'd go with.[/font][/color][/quote] Winner!

[quote]I used to carry in a IWB tuckable holster but I figured that in the event that I need the weapon it probably woun't be in the middle of church and if it's in a tuckable holster with my shirt tucked in it would take more time to reveal and draw so I just stopped and started leaving it in my car.[/quote] To be honest, you could live your life like the majority of Americans do: Unarmed Statistics say that you would be ok, generally. And I don't know what type of church you go to, but [b]something[/b] is better than [b]nothing[/b]. I would even go as far to say that California style carry (empty firearm, loaded magazine in pocket or on weak side) is better than nothing.

[quote]And I don't take my gun in church with me; it stays in the trunk of my car while I'm inside and I re-arm as I'm leaving and headed home so please don't assume that since it's Sunday and I have a suit on and I'm armed that I'm in church catching the holy ghost with my gun on my side.[/quote] Then I would like to make the motion that you start going to church back home you Yankee Would you go to church without your wallet? Would you go to church without your car keys? Would you go to church without your cell phone? Would you go to church without your shoes? Would you go to church without your pocket knife? For me, a firearm concealed is just another tool or piece of gear. I look at it like this. For someone that always wears your seat belt, would you drive to church on Sunday morning without it on? Don't take this the wrong way. You have every right to do as you wish, I'm just letting you know that you don't have to explain things to us to we won't assume you are doing a bad thing.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Why is the Sport so great?[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I will just give you a quick run down of the Sport and why it is such a great gun.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1. The barrel is a 5R rifled barrel.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]5R barrels are known for their accuracy regardless of caliber. For whatever reason they just shoot and shoot well. It also increases the velocity by virtue of how the rifling is laid out.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]2. The barrel is Melonite treated.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Melonite treatments are far better than any chrome lining as far as hardness and durability. It also offers an exception amount of corrosion resistance. It is more than just a surface coating like chrome, it actually treats the metal and goes subsurface.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]3. The bolt is properly heat treated.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This is very important for the long term durability of the firearm. It ensures the headspace will remain in spec longer than those bolts that are not heat treated properly. Poorly heat treated bolts will either wear prematurely or break from being too brittle.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]4. It has a barrel twist rate of 8[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This twist rate allows you to fire the heaviest bullets that can be fed from a magazine, up to 80 grains. And because it isn't a 7 twist (like most others out there) you can also fire the lightweight varmint style bullets without fear of the jackets seperating.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]5. It comes ready to fire.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It comes with a Magpul rear sight while most competitors, even those 100's of dollars more expensive, do not. The sights have been proven for several years now both by those in harms way as well as the weekend shooter. It also includes a Magpul magazine which has also been proven for seveal years now.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]6. It is built to the same specs as all other AR's[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]This means you can upgrade and swap parts to build a gun that suits your wants or needs. And because it is an AR most of the work can be done by the owner and if it is a milspec part it [/font][/color][u][u][u][u][u]WILL[/u][/u][/u][/u][/u][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] fit.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]7. The price[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]In reality if any other maker were to offer the same features as the Sport has they would be asking 100's of dollars more. The 5R barrel and Melonite treatment were once only offered on high end guns. And included in the price is a warranty that is among the best in the industry.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You cannot go wrong with the M&P Sport and they are hard to find because they are such a great gun.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Dolomite [/font][/color] [/quote] Interesting. I never quite looked into the S&W's when purchasing an AR. Obviously the S&W has a few things that more expensive rifles do not, but how would you compare them to a Colt 6920, a rifle that I thought was considered the gold standard for $1000 range AR's.

[quote] [color=#282828]Once you have completed your sentence you should no longer have it affect your rights. The only exception to this is if the felony was violent in nature. There are so many laws now that are felonies that should not be. I say reserve the harshest of penalties for those who have a record of being violent, not those who were caught smoking a bit of pot. Dolomite[/color] [/quote] Yes. For example ,when I was in high school a few idiots went around bashing mailboxes. Now, I remember once when my father and I had to fix our mailbox because someone had backed their vehicle into our mailbox (didn't know if it was purposeful or an accident). Mailbox bashing isn't a laughable thing. But just because someone did something in high school does not mean they do not have the right years done the road to protect their family as well as themselves just because they did something stupid. But....it sounds so great when a politician says "I'm keeping guns out of the hands of criminals!" doesn't it? Since I've never had reason to I've never researched how easy it is to get your rights "restored" or whatever it is called. In an example such as is being discussed, is it easy for everyday citizens without a lot of money to get their rights restored if it can be shown that they are living lives as a law abiding citizen?[list] [/list]

In a more serious manner, I remember a time ago at a Christmas get together amongst friends, my wife (just an acquaintance at the time) was talking to someone else and made mention that "I will never hold a gun". She pretty much thought they were evil, mostly because that was they way she had been taught. Fast forward until a few years ago when we started dating and I introduced them to her and also gave her some logical thoughts, she became open to them. When I told her I was getting my permit at first she was like "You mean you want to carry all the time? Sometimes I can understand but all the time? Even like if we are just going out to get something to eat or something?". Since then there have been a few times that she has made mention to her friends about how safe she feels with me and is glad that I take the responsibility of carrying a firearm. Remember, it's a firearm, not a gun. Guns are bad, firearms are good! My vote is to carry, but keep it in the pants

Tell her you want her to feel your package.

[quote]Now that you said that, I am reminded that my wife was driving a commuter van full of employees home from Chattanooga one day when a guy pulled up beside them having a good old time. She slowed down and so did he, so she literally stopped traffic in I-24 in an effort to get his tag number. After some evasive maneuvers she couldn't match in a 15 passenger van full of people, he got away. Pretty impressive that he could drive that well one-handed.[/quote] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Benton,[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]With posts like this in topics like this, I think I might just have to start staying north of you from now on... [/font][/color]

[quote]I mean you cant make a chicken salad out of chicken sh!t.[/quote] You apparently never ate public lunch at school. The government actually considers it a vegetable.

[quote]"Unemployment" as defined by the number crunchers is down. That is because unemployment is dictated by people actively seeking jobs, if they stop looking they aren't calculated in. People without jobs whether getting benefits, seeking, or not seeking - are at an all time high.[/quote] And in that case the only way to get rid of the people not actively seeking jobs is

Figure it this way... TGO might as well stand for Tennesseans 'gainst Obama

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I've been thinking a lot today obviously. A lot of people have convinced themselves that Obama is going to ignore the 2nd Amendment issues at hand. I hope they are right, but greatly fear that they are wrong. As we all have suspected, there are many ways in which Obama could infringe upon and destroy our gun rights. From executive orders and amending the constitution to supreme court justice appointments and UN treaties, the battlefield is large and has many battlefronts. It is a gloomy day indeed.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]However, now is not the time to give up. Today is the day to put even more effort into the fight. I for one believe that the only chance is with the house and senate. If our representatives have a backbone and do what they can to guarantee our 2nd amendment rights, I feel we have a chance.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]We freedom loving gun clingers (all across the nation) must let those that represent us in the capitol that if any infringement upon our rights takes place during their watch, we collectively will vote to replace them with anyone running against them. In order to get the current crop of politicians to represent us, the People of the United States, they have to realize that they will not keep their seats in Congress if they do not represent us. If they think we are bluffing, their votes and behavior will continue the same way it has been for a long time.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]That is the only peaceful resolution that I see has a chance of upholding our 2nd amendment rights. We have a system of checks and balances in this country that has been allowed to become an unfair scale. Perhaps someone will come along with another idea that I have not seen nor considered. If so, please, by all means share. But to keep silent right now is to accept defeat. This does not go solely for the 2nd Amendment but other issues as well, I just feel that the 2nd Amendment is the guarantor for our other rights.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Let the congressmen know that they are out if they sit idly while our rights are being stripped away, and we stand a chance. If the numbers show that there are more that do not care about our rights than those that do, it's an uphill battle with an ocean on the other side of the cliff. [/font][/color][b]That is why we must stand strong, stand together, and make a point to our representatives that there are (hopefully) enough of us that would vote against them if they ignore us continuously.[/b]

[quote]It was proven last night that more people want Other People's money than want freedom and liberty or anything close to financial responsibility[/quote] It just occurred to me that, in a sense, we are just bringing back slavery. The freedom loving minority will slave away providing the entitled majority with goods and services, all while the entitled majority kick back and drink their iced tea...or perhaps a nice glass of Kool-Aid.

[quote]I heard an interesting interview a few weeks ago on the radio by what appeared a well schooled individual on the history of a democratic society back to early times. He explained how over time, people who work and produce eventually become the minority. People that expect free stuff and have the entitlement mentality, eventually overcome the workers in population and thus, the decay of society. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............[/quote] Although I believe the following quote is "debunked" as to have come from any of our founding fathers, I still personally believe it is true to our current society regardless of who said it: [b][i][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(252, 252, 204)]A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury.[/background][/size][/font][/color][/i][/b]

[quote]Conservatives are the minority.[/quote] I dont' know if I am convinced of this [i]yet[/i]. Give it a few more elections. However, if it is true, then the sheep have finally decided that they are willing to take down their fences and let the wolves be their shepherds.

Something that I am finding interesting to waste some time on is the exit polls. CNN is showing some interesting stats. I think it is interesting that the "Vote by Education" exit poll shows that (excluding postgraduate education) as people attend more school the tend to vote republican more than democrat. For the 3% of the nation that didn't graduate high school, it appears roughly 65%-75% vote democratic. Yet, somehow the "enlightened" democratic party presents itself as the party of the intelligent and that republicans all sit around near shacks all day and play the banjo back and forth. <-- [i][color=#333333][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]He got a real pretty mouth ain't he?[/size][/font][/color][/i]

[quote]Naw, they have get more concrete than that. I think there's just a booger in a puter chip somewhere that adds the numbers.[/quote] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]Didn't consider this, it's probably the same computer chip that they install in the machines they ship to battleground states as well.[/color][/font][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] [/font][/color][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828] [/color][/font]

Well even though I am rather quite disappointed currently, due to these "discrepancies" in reporting data vs blue and red states, I am honestly wondering how much good it actually does to try and keep up with this stuff live. If a person were able, it would truly be better to just put the election away and not take part in the rollarcoaster ride of instantaneous data. Imagine what it would have been like a bit over a hundred years ago when it wasn't as simple as turning on the TV and seeing what states were reporting when. Educate yourself, vote accordingly, and go to sleep. Wakeup and either celebrate or curse, and then go along with your daily life as much as possible for as long as possible.

[quote][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Something weird going on there with data feed or something, Fox has called Wis for Obama, but the scroll showed Mitt's % as higher.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]- OS[/font][/color][/quote] Exactly! [b][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Something I have never understood, granted I've only been "aware" of roughly the last 3 elections, is how can they "award" some states so early? For example, WI is now blue, but only 2% have supposedly reported and it is approximately 39k to 37k. How is this at all statistically correct? Someone care to chime in with either affirming or rebutting comments?[/font][/color][/b] Perhaps the "awarding" takes into account historical wins, exit polls, current data, along with many other things? Because otherwise I just don't understand how the "awarding" works on many of these networks.