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  I most certainly will purchase a kinetic puller soon. Also, I've always wanted a chronograph but I haven't been able to justify purchasing one. Perhaps I'll get one someday.

  Certainly understood that before I got started. Although I missed it this 13'-14' Winter, I've been wanting a really good indoor hobby for the cold period of the year. This is just the thing! Starting out with a small component purchase, I haven't really checked but I imagine if you buy your components in bulk you can get 9mm below $0.13 a round! Obviously casting would reduce that cost in half or more, but casting is something I may pickup after I have a really good understanding and experience with reloading.   I think my next firearm purchase I save up for will be a .308 rifle. I would really like to get into making match grade ammo and shooting it long range. That'll be a pretty good way's off though.

Just spoke with David, hopefully will be able to meet with him tomorrow. Based upon his pricing, I should be able to reload 9mm for about $0.1325 a round! That's assuming free brass of course and that I don't waste a single component.   I think the last time I purchased 9mm locally it was $22 for a box of 50, or roughly $0.44 a round. Using that as my alternative cost, I am saving about $0.30 a round. My equipment (excluding the bench I'm about to build) was $265.16. Theoretically speaking, after I reload 883.8666666667 rounds (I'll call that 884 for simplicity's sake), I will have paid for my fixed equipment purchase! Now, that's buying local rounds.   Assuming that I could find ammo online for $0.25 a round for quality Winchester like I did a few years ago, I still break even after only 2,256 rounds! Of course this just means I will shoot more and buy more reloading equipment soon, but I'm very excited about this!

Update! Just made a MidwayUSA purchase, after it arrives here is everything that I will have:   Lee Classic Cast Lee Universal Decapping Die MTM Universal Reloading Tray Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 9mm Luger Frankford Arsenal Electronic Caliper Hornady Lock-N-Load Conversion Lyman Electronic Scale Powder Funnel Pan Frankford Arsenal DS-750 Electronic Scale Lee Perfect Powder Measure Sometime this weekend I will be building my bench, mounting my press, and hopefully unboxing Midway!   For powders, primer, and bullets, I am going to keep it as simple as possible. I'm going to ask David what to buy, and keep it at that.

The reason I said that I'm interested in the Model B is because this looks like a decent place to purchase it:   http://www.buffaloarms.com/Thumblers_Tumbler_it-164290.aspx?TERM=tumbler   Shipping brings it to $200. Still have to purchase the media and separator if you want. The $300 deal on STM isn't bad, it just hurts the wallet worse.

I was thinking it would be neat to take a pvc pipe and fix it up for a container and then attach it to a stationary bike or something with pedals. It would be much cheaper than using an electric motor and would be capable of being used without power. If you had a spare bike or stationary bike sitting around, it could be done very cheaply.   I almost think I have decided on the Model B. The problem with STM is they charge $40 for shipping. I almost assumed it was built into their price at $250 or so. Turns out the order I was going to make was $300. It is an awesome system and the results are definitely there, but is it worth it? I'm looking at what my best options are. I want one, but $300 is a lot.

  It doesn't bother me to find out when an actor or actress is anti-gun. What bothers me is when that same actor or actress portrays a character that is very pro-gun. Most of the time this is done in a LEO setting, such as NCIS and Mark Harmon. You can be anti-gun all you want, but to show examples on tv and movies in which good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns is so hypocritical. I suppose it is the whole "We trust the elites with them but not they common with them" thing. 

Also, a tumbler like this might be cool for other things too, right? Obviously rock tumbling would be possible. What else?

I am creating this as a side-by-side thread in regards to my reloading thread. I purchased a vibratory tumbler but returned it because I am 95% sure I want to buy a stainless wet rotary tumbler instead.   Rotary w/ Stainless Media Benefits   Cleans brass much better Media never wears out (unless you lose it) Does not put lead dust in air (lead water is better!) Cheaper operating cost (no buying media and polish/etc) Rotary w/ Stainless Media Cons   Cost I wonder how long that motor lasts when kept within recommended weight limits Replacement cost when breaks So far I've only read about "Thumler's Tumbler" and www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com (which uses Thumler's Tumblers I believe).   So I'm asking which heavy duty rotary tumbler I should purchase for this brass tumbling purpose. I really like the looks of the Thumler's Tumbler Model B, but that's only because it is pretty and red (like my redheaded Wife) as well as my Lee Press (which will be seen next to the tumbler much more than my wife). However, it looks like the Stainless Steel Deluxe Reloading Kit is probably a better purchase since it is higher capacity, includes everything you need, but isn't made by Thumler's.   I am just asking the in's and out's of stainless brass tumbling, what to purchase, and where to purchase it. If I'm spending $150-$300 on a tumbler, I want it to be built to last and perform in every way expected so that I won't regret the purchase.

So last night I took my Glock 19 barrel and a 9mm round and inspected just how much "chamber support" there is (or isn't). On a Glock 19 Gen 3, in my opinion, it supports nearly the entire case. There is a very small amount of the case wall that isn't supported, but I suspect many modern service pistols would be quite similar in this regard.   I suppose it comes down to two points: Not trying to see how much powder you can put in a round before it blows up and inspecting each and every casing for warning signs before reloading.   My verdict is that I'll be find in regards to the brass. I'll probably get a Lone Wolf barrel someday just so I can shoot the lead bullets for targets and what not.   Suppose this one is decided for now. I think everyone gets "itches" to try something new sometimes....it is just hard to move from something that generally just works.

Reloading comments for the stock Glock? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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  You're just upset you didn't think of it first.  :rofl:

I thought I had already created a thread for this a month or two ago, but 30 minutes of searching turned up nothing.   I have an inkling to switch over to the M&P 9's from the Glockside.   M&P Pro's USA LCI Ergonomics (arguably) Rifled Barrel (better for reloading) Better Supported Chamber (I think) 9c (compared to G26) Has A Rail Glock Pro's   Cheaper Magazines 33 Round Magazines Slightly Simpler Takedown/Internals Parts/Accessories Availibility Now, I talked myself out of it a few months ago, but I have an even bigger itch now. I'm getting started on reloading, and although arguably minor issues I have reservations about reloading Glocks due to the "unsupported chamber" issues as well as the polygonal rifling. Now, I'm well aware that I could get a Lone Wolf barrel that would solve those issues, and I'm open to doing so. But if I "switch" to M&P and like them just as much, I avoid having to purchase the barrel altogether.   However, some research has shown that if I stick to plated bullets in my Glock 19 Gen 3, I will be fine. Supposedly the chamber support issue is better than in earlier Gen 2's and 1's. Stay away from trying to develop maximum loads, and the brass should be ok. Is this the case?   Still, I have a desire to give the S&W's a shot. I know this is sorta like a Ford vs. Toyota argument, but help me out. It would just have to be attempted to see if it works out, but I think I could sale my G19/G26 with all accessories/holsters and then purchase the equivalents of M&P9/9c and still have a few dollars cash left over. Thoughts?   Also I have to consider this. The M&P9 is about the size of a Glock 17. I currently carry a Glock 19 with a Surefire X300 Ultra in a Raven Phantom LC. Obviously the M&P9 will be a bit longer, but is it still capable of comfortably being carried?   Ultimately, I need to shoot an M&P 9 and 9c in order to fully make the decision. I'd love to meet someone in Cleveland/Chattanooga and give it a shot if you own them. If you have a Raven Concealment LC holster for it, that would be even better.

  Hi! I see you are (relatively) new here. We here at TGO specialize in securing malls, shopping centers, playgrounds, museums, etc.   Myself? My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18" bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and “catch the rounds” while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.   HCP Badge anyone?

On the drive back from work, though, it got me to thinking about a better way to do it. What would be really neat is if they made a version only compatible with PMAG's. Instead of the "side clips" like they are using in the shown photos they would use a "PMAG Cover" that essentially is a PMAG Dust Cover integrated into their 6 PMAG Mounting Bracket. To get your magazine you would simply pull on it. When you do this, the "dust cover" (remember, it's essentially molded into the bracket) disconnects and you have a ready to use PMAG. This would have all the benefits of using the dust covers with all the benefits of having them "ready to go" outside of their dust cover.

Also, I was quite surprised at the price. A lot of stuff like this tends to be very expensive just because it can be. I feel that the price is reasonably decent for an AR-15 accessory.

http://m.laruetactical.com/magstore-solutions-ar-15-magazine-storage Never seen these before but this is awesome! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  So you're saying that he is crimping the case to the bullet too tightly and thus allowing the entire cartridge too far into the chamber? I remember you telling me about this when I spoke with you many months ago.   As such, should I purchase a Lee 3 or 4 piece die set for reloading 9mm?

Actually ended up canceling the Frankford Arsenal one. I think I will indeed go with stainless rotary tumbling, but it will be a while off. Instead I'm going to use Dolomite's Lemishine method. However, what about Universal Decapping Dies?   So I would use this before tumbling/etc and it will not get my 9mm dies dirty, right? This sounds great for decapping dirty brass. If i use this Universal Decapping Die, will the primer still fall free into the "tube" that the Lee Classic Cast has? I'm not going to lie, this feature was one of the features that steered my towards this press.

So, update. My Lee Classic Cast gets here tomorrow. I just ordered via Amazon the Frankford Arsenal tumbler. At Walmart earlier I picked up a generic corn cob bedding for pets for $5. My next purchase will be wood, I'm going to build a bench! I think I'm going to do something very close to this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/290870_Official_andamp_quot_HOW_TOandamp_quot__build_a_basic_reloading_bench__Plans_and_Process_w_pics.html Looks like it will be very sturdy and stay simplistic. This will just be to get me started; Once I purchase a house in the upcoming 1-2 years, I will hopefully be able to build a much fancier bench. Unless someone has better ideas, I think I'll try and tackle the above bench this upcoming weekend. After the bench, I plan on buying my set of dies so that I can d-eprime the brass after tumbling. Then my purchase will be primers and that Lee handprimer. WooHoo!

Today's youth? Here are my thoughts: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA And I'm only 23. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="c.a.willard" post="1114867" timestamp="1393041121"]You could call an FFL in that persons area and see if they would be willing to act as an escrow. You send them payment in the form of MO or Cashiers check they hold it until he brings in gun to be shipped to you. I think in this case it would also be reasonable for you to pay the FFL for their troubles[/quote] This. Call a highly regarded FFL in the area, explain the situation, and offer them $25-$50 pure profit on top of what you are paying for the gun and shipping. Send the money to the FFL, but only after the FFL has possession of the firearm. You of course will have to instruct the Seller to go to the FFL. The only way I would try doing it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My wife added that we should have our TGO usernames on the badges/sashes/etc so that we can identify whom is whom. I mean, it would be really good to be able to identify each other with the quick flash of a badge and instantly remember each other's strengths and weaknesses and daily carry. Like, I know that anyone else that carries a 9mm Glock could potentially pass off a magazine and vice versa if new be, simply by keeping up to date here and the quick flash of a badge while behind cover. She's a thinker too. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thoughts on Vibratory Tumblers vs. Rotary Tumblers?