Marswolf

It would be really good to get this information in the reviews database at http://www.tngunowners.com/reviews/index.php. We aren't using that forum feature much.

Me in one of my friendlier moments

As I said, watch out for the trip wires.

I think that's it Phantom6. As everything in the gun trade, there are always other places to buy shooting items, whether it is a gun, ammo, or other shooting gear. A dealer may not make as much on a gun sale by doing a reasonably priced transfer, but the good will is likely to bring the buyer back for other goodies.

The H&K SA triggers are good in all I've tried. The DA on the USP could be better, but it does smooth out after a while. Since that isn't normally the way I'd fire it, it isn't a big deal to me. I always cock the hammer if things might get harry. I do practice DA though. It's quite usable. Their DAO stuff is quite good. To my way of thinking Glock triggers are OK. They seem repeatable and that's mostly what you need. I don't understand why so many people have problems with NDs with them.

My concealed carry is a P7M8. The USP 40 is open carry.

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Just checked Auction Arms list and my guy has gone up to $20. That's reasonable. Other guys want $30. Check their listing and see what shows up for your area. There are several in the Nashville, Goodlettsville area that will transfer for $20 or $25. One guy in Memphis for $25.

I checked the listing of transfer agents on Auction Arms (at least I think that was where I found it) and they had a listing for a local guy who will do the transfers for $15 plus the $10 state fee. Bought my AK that way long ago. Having said that, I try to support my local gun dealers when I can.

Bet you enjoy shooting that!

I'll mostly deal with the USP here, but much of this applies to all H&K handguns. Only con I know is that they are more expensive. Well, they have Germanic customer service, but you aren't likely to need it. They are highly reliable, very high quality weapons. Compared to similar looking polymer handguns, they have significant additional strengthening material molded into the polymer. If you take a magnet, you will find a lot of metal that you would not expect to be there. The levers, like slide release levers are of a reasonable size and function easily. In the USP, the hammer and SA/DA trigger gives you a lot of safety but can always be in a fireable condition. The ability to de-cock and re-cock is a significant advantage in my experience. The gun has the ability to either have a lever safety or not depending on your preference and these are changeable, in many cases by the user, in seconds. It can be field stripped without dry firing. Too many little things to go into here. In all it's just a very professional handgun. I went through quite a few guns before settling on the H&K as two of my four duty weapons. BTW, in case you are wondering about the torture tests so advertised by one manufacturer, here is an old test you might want to see. Pay attention to the recoil reduction system information too and note that other manufacturers have copied it since this test was done. But this proactive approach to quality and innovation is common in H&K weapons. Basically, they are well designed and probably even better than you think they are.

Tower, Top Notch also carries them. Mike will match or beat Gunslingers. Voodoo, The latest P3AT was the worst for FTEs. The first had more problems with reliable feeding and I did get some stovepipes that were my fault because of inexperience with the weapon (limp-wristing). I polished the ramp (that felt like it was corrugated) and the problem went away. But I've always suspected that the ramp work and feeding reliably was just coincidence. I think it just needed a good loosening up. At any rate, the 2nd gens have a smooth ramp. My second P3AT had very few problems even from the beginning. I wouldn't consider carrying one until it has a hundred rounds through it, but normally 50 will smooth it out. Once you get used to the handgun and loosen it up, it works well and is surprisingly accurate for such a short sight radius weapon. While I don't recommend it for distance shots, it does do OK if needed.

I totally agree. Oh...did I do that? I know a local shop that carries Saturday night specials...errr...Jimenez Arms handguns. I kid them about it, but kept thinking that is is actually safer than a Glock. And you can always use it as a boat anchor.

I hate to get this back on topic.... But here is the text of the bill. Note that it is "REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES" - not permanently. I still think this will be put on the back burner to wait for a Democratic President, or Republican gun-grabber, to come to office in 2009. There are quite a few Democrats who understand that this is a losing issue for them and prefer to not churn the waters too much until after the 2008 elections. But it will be back. Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 (Introduced in House) HR 1022 IH 110th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 1022 To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 13, 2007 Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary A BILL To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007'. SEC. 2. REINSTATEMENT FOR 10 YEARS OF REPEALED CRIMINAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES. (a) Reinstatement of Provisions Wholly Repealed- Paragraphs (30) and (31) of section 921(a), subsections (v) and (w) and Appendix A of section 922, and the last 2 sentences of section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect just before the repeal made by section 110105(2) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, are hereby enacted into law. ( Reinstatement of Provisions Partially Repealed- Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking subparagraph ( and inserting the following: `( knowingly violates subsection (a)(4), (f), (k), ®, (v), or (w) of section 922;'; and (2) in subsection ©(1)(, by striking clause (i) and inserting the following: `(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or'. SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS. (a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows: `(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following: `(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof: `(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; `(ii) AR-10; `(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR; `(iv) AR70; `(v) Calico Liberty; `(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU; `(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC; `(viii) Hi-Point Carbine; `(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1; `(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; `(xi) M1 Carbine; `(xii) Saiga; `(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800; `(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine; `(xv) SLG 95; `(xvi) SLR 95 or 96; `(xvii) Steyr AUG; `(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14; `(xix) Tavor; `(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or `(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz). `( The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof: `(i) Calico M-110; `(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3; `(iii) Olympic Arms OA; `(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or `(v) Uzi. `© The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof: `(i) Armscor 30 BG; `(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12; `(iii) Striker 12; or `(iv) Streetsweeper. `(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has-- `(i) a folding or telescoping stock; `(ii) a threaded barrel; `(iii) a pistol grip; `(iv) a forward grip; or `(v) a barrel shroud. `(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. `(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. `(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has-- `(i) a second pistol grip; `(ii) a threaded barrel; `(iii) a barrel shroud; or `(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip. `(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. `(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has-- `(i) a folding or telescoping stock; `(ii) a pistol grip; `(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or `(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds. `(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder. `(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L). `(K) A conversion kit. `(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'. ( Related Definitions- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: `(36) Barrel Shroud- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel. `(37) Conversion Kit- The term `conversion kit' means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. `(38) Detachable Magazine- The term `detachable magazine' means an ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm. `(39) Fixed Magazine- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm. `(40) Folding or Telescoping Stock- The term `folding or telescoping stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm. `(41) Forward Grip- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip. `(42) Pistol Grip- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip. `(43) Threaded Barrel- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. 5845(a)).'. SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISION. Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended-- (1) by inserting `(A)' after `(2)'; and (2) by adding after and below the end the following: `( Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of which would (but for this subparagraph) be unlawful by reason of this subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the enactment of this subparagraph.'. SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS. Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following: `(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that-- `(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action; `( has been rendered permanently inoperable; or `© is an antique firearm.'. SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS. Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following: `(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through-- `(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the transferor; or `( a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section and section 923(g). `(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.'. SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE. (a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following: `(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'. (2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following: `(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'. ( Certification Requirement- (1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended-- (A) in paragraph (3)-- (i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (; and (ii) by striking subparagraph © and redesignating subparagraph (D) as subparagraph ©; and ( by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following: `(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before the date of the enactment of this subsection.'. (2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following: `(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'. SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES. Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1)-- (A) in subparagraph (, by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and ( by adding at the end the following: `© a semiautomatic assault weapon; or `(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'; and (2) in paragraph (2)-- (A) in subparagraph (, by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and ( by adding at the end the following: `© a semiautomatic assault weapon; or `(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'. SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE. (a) In General- Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended-- (1) in paragraph (1), by striking `(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)' and inserting `(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)'; (2) in paragraph (2), by striking `(2) Paragraph (1)' and inserting `( Subparagraph (A)'; and (3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the following: `(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'. ( Conforming Amendment- Section 921(a)(31)(A) of such title, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994'.

No thanks, I like the NIV.

I know a lot of people who use avg free and like it. I still prefer avast!

Nice story. I like reading stuff like this.

I'm not big on posting this type of information. Who knows who reads these posts and who may not like me. All I'll say is watch out for the trip wires.

I was in a shop yesterday and comparing grips on polymer guns. The USP grips just fit me much better than the others I tried. Of course, I'm used to the USP, so it may not be a fair test. Anyway, congratulations on the new quality handgun!

Ron Paul is a good guy, but would get about 1% of the votes. He's a bit too much a strict constitutionalist - like me.

As mentioned in another topic, I now have yet another P3AT. This is my third one, although I gave away my first to someone who had a greater need for it than I did at the time. It was a 1st generation. I now have two 2nd generation little Kel-Tecs. While I was happy with the 1st generation version after break-in and ramp polishing, the 2nd gens correct a few minor problems of the early guns, like the not needed ejector, single piece better contoured slide that doesn't lose the recoil rod/spring holder, properly smooth ramp and improved extractor. They did the 2nd gen right. So, I went to the range to break-in the new handgun, as I have learned is needed for these little weapons. I cleaned and lubricated the gun before shooting it. This also gives a good inspection of anything obviously wrong. Loaded up some Remington plinker rounds. Put two rounds downrange and the third round had a FTE. Now, I've been shooting these P3ATs for some time, so I knew my problem was not limp-wristing that is common to new users, plus it wasn't stove-piping but more like the extractor wasn't seating properly. Cleared the handgun. 4th round was OK, but 5 & 6 FTEd. Changed to a different magazine. Had two FTEs on that one. I was beginning to think a trip to Florida was in order for the new gun or at least a call for another extractor. To make a long story short, the FTEs continued but at a much less frequent rate. By the 50th round, the problem had disappeared. You just have to plan on 50 rounds through the P3AT to get it operating reliably. BTW, that's a lot less than the 500 rounds Wilson Combat says you need to put downrange to get their 1911s working properly. I put a couple of magazines of Hydra-Shoks through it to see how they would do. No problems - just as I expected. Since this was a break-in run, I didn't bother to set up targets but just aimed at mud puddles and dirt clods. I found that without really trying I was pretty consistently (yes, there was an occasional flyer) able to get within three inches of objects at about 20 yards and certainly within a chest area at 50 yards. These have proven themselves to be very good handguns for BUG or casual protection use. But you have to break them in.

Well, I no longer have the XD-9 sub. It was a car gun and after much recent consideration of its Glock-like qualities I decided to go with something more appropriate. I still have other handguns on my hip, but for car use, I decided another Kel-Tec P-3AT was a better way to go. Instead of keeping it in the side door pocket, the 380 can go in the little shelf under the radio in my Taurus, where it is more handy for someone like me who is so right-pawed. So, the transition on this handgun has gone from a G26 to an XD-9 sub, to a P-3AT. I'll probably miss the XD on occasion. It's still a better choice if you want a Glock-like handgun.

Talked to a gun shop guy yesterday. He said he liked everything about H&Ks - except the price.

Oh, Glocks are very reliable. They just aren't very safe. But other guns are equally reliable and more safe.

I'll see what I can do. It would probably be better to be told no than wonder about it. Even if the AG said the law does not automatically exclude guns, the parks would probably just be posted. I'd like to see a law that says they can't post in public parks.