RichardR

[quote name='zgunbear' timestamp='1353342082' post='848175'] I agree it has to be people you can trust. I live in Spring Hill and would need people in this area. I doubt we could stay here so my wife and I would need a place to bug out to. [/quote] I am guessing that you are not the only TGO'er who might be forced to relocate if the S ever H the F. Spring Hill is up there by Nashville correct? Anyway you'd probably want to find a place that is no further than an hours drive, that way you can limit the amount of time you & your family spent on the roads, where I believe folks will be most vunerable. Also limiting your distance to an hours drive or less you could still hike that distance on foot in a couple of days time if you were forced too. Anyway Zgunbear you might want to include some more details in your application so to speak, to join a reciprocal agreement, things like your &/or your family member's skill sets or how many folks you could shelter if the need arose, stuff like that. You might also want to include things like any known medical issues that your potential hosts might need to be aware of, but serious stuff only like a heart condition or cancer or that condition where your blood doesn't clot, or say if one of your kids had a severe allergy to something, etc. While it is a shame it is also a reality that some folks might only be willing to shelter you & your family if there is something in it for them, a promise of some sort of payment or something, personally I would recommend avoiding making any agreements with those sorts of people. The folks who would take advantage of other people during a major life/death crisis will keep taking advantage of you & everyone else that they can, as it is obviously in their nature to do so. I would like to see this sort of thing kept as every average day folks freely banding together in order to survive whatever ####storm comes our way, yes it does mean that there will be more mouths to feed, but there will also be more hands to do the work, more eyes to keep watch & more guns to fend off bandits. I think that the potential pros are worth the risk of the potential cons.

Did I read that right? They sell these at Walmart?

I am not so much into the Holidays themselves, but I do enjoy gathering together with family & friends, eating until I am about to pop a button & watching all of the kids rip open presents and then screech with delite because they got that thing that they had seen the commercial for on TV 500,000 times. Oh and eggnog, splash of rum + eggnog = happy!

Greetings Red, welcome to the TGO forums! Yes, both you & your son will need to attend a hunter safety course, if you plan on hunting anywhere except your own private property. As far as shotguns, I am guessing you'd want something that both you & your son could use? Is that correct? Or are you planning on getting seperate shotguns? If you could give me a bit more information on how many, what you are planning on hunting with them & the budget you have allotted to buy them with I could suggest which I think would suit your needs the best or at the very least give you a bit of advice.

3" high @ 100 yds is what I generally sight in my .308's at, that keeps my crosshairs in the killzone out to 350 yds, any targets beyond that I use my scopes mil-dots.

Agreed, in an eotwawki scenario regular folks could very easily get really desperate really quickly, a few days without food is all it would take before some of those regular folks would resort to what they would have thought of as unthinkable crimes back when they had a full belly. Unfortunately in 2012 America the vast majority of folks have no idea of how to get food other than from buying it a store & if our infrastructure &/or economy collapsed they would get awful dangerous awful quickly, and I am guess that in such a scenario it probably wouldn't take to long before canabalism started happening, especially in the cities.

Yea I am also not generally a fan of painted/camo'd rifles but I am kind of digging this one, very nice job Stormin!

She is absolutely adorable! Here is a snap shot of mine, who unfortunately still thinks he is a little puppy and always wants to sit in my lap to snuggle! http://m568.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/RichardR_photos/0915121117a_zps09293d21.jpg.html?o=2

When I train it is almost always for center mass, there are exceptions to this rule however, say for instance when the only viable target presented to you is the target's head or some other extremity. Reasons for this are to numberous to list, but in short some of them would be in scenarios where a non-combatant of some sort (hostage/victim, kid, etc) was in the way of a clear torso shot, or if the target is wearing body armor, or if they are behind some sort of cover, etc Legally there is no distinction, justified is justified, regardless of bullet placement.

[quote name='Jonnin' timestamp='1353331461' post='848094'] The main reason I bought the thing was because it is technically legal to carry on your permit. Hopefully I never need to haul something like that around but you never know. If I decide to haul it around regularly, for example people rioting up and down my street, I will be sure to wear some headphones... [/quote] Yep AR pistols are considered "handguns" so your good to go, I usually wear a pair of foam/rubber plugs as well as electronic muffs while shooting shorty's & even so my ears usually still ring a little for a couple of hours, but my ear to ear grin usually lasts a couple of days.

Yea AR pistols & SBR's are definately "a blast" to shoot that is for sure, probably one of the most just for fun guns out there except ones with a happy switch on them. You are more than welcome to put some rounds through one of mine to see how you like them before decideing to buy/trade/build yourself one.

"When seconds count ... the police are only minutes away". "Everyone has a right to their own opinion ... regardless of how wrong it is". I am sure there are a few more fitting sayings, but I think those two cover the subject fairly well.

[quote name='Paladin132' timestamp='1353250186' post='847587'] Seems to me SHTF means being able to eat, and a bow would be a fine tool for that in many cases. [/quote] You are much more limited with a bow, distance of target, angle of presentation, thickness of cover, etc, you'd be able to reliably harvest much more game with a shotgun or a rifle. The advantage of the bow would be it's ability to do it more quietly, not more effectively.

*shrug* I support those folks right to vote for whom ever they choose to, I also support this fellow's right not to do business with those folks.

[quote name='Steelharp' timestamp='1353243525' post='847525'] I've had two PLR's. It's surprising, the amount of recoil compared to a conventional AR. However, after gathering info here about the suffering of the ballistics to the .223 round by that short of a barrel... I opted to sell them. You might want to consider that. [/quote] Yup the shorter you go, the more velocity & energy you give up. However, even out of a really short 7" barrel you are still looking at .357 magnumish levels of energy, which is greatly diminished no doubt but it is still an extremely useable amount.

I like shorty's (pistols & SBR's), the only problem I have encountered with the ones I have owned is how loud they can, and when I say loud I mean really, really loud, the muzzle blast out of the 5.56 versions can be felt from several shooting stations away & multiple layers of hearing protection is recommended/required to avoid any potential hearing loss. Keep in mind that trying to suppress any 5.56 barrel shorter than 12" will quickly ruin an expensive can, there is simply still too much pressure out of the short barrels. As far as accuracy & power, I have found that if I keep it within 100 yards or so they are just as accurate as their larger brethern, power is still good enough for social work, albiet velocity/energy is diminished the farther out you go. There are also two basic ways to properly hold the buffer tube versions, the first is the same way you would hold a non tubed version, that is by pushing the weapon out creating tension with a sling in order to stabilize the weapon enough to sight down the sights. The second is for a tubed version only, which is to "shoulder" the buffer tube and tuck yourself down behind the weapon in order to sight down the sights, a good foam buffer tube cover is required or this will be rather uncomfortable for any period of time. Because of their size they are very handy, and are great bases for making an SBR, but as mentioned above there are some trade offs, I do not have any experience with any other chamberings other than 5.56 so I am afraid I cannot really give much input on those.

I have tried all sorts of products over the years, some of the best stuff are these "Nice'n Clean" lense wipes, which I usually buy at the eyeglass place in Walmart.

Ok gotcha, I was thinking more along the lines of a local/regional temporary type shtf, not an end of the world as we know it sort of event. Although even in an EOTWAWKI event, I still wouldn't want to see our society devolve to the point where it is "every man for himself" and where everything goes, including cold blooded murder but I guess there wouldn't be a whole lot I could do to change it once it got to that point eh? I think that in such a worst case scenario like that I could probably support joining a small mutual assistance group of people long-term, as long as they were all willing to pitch-in and do their part, the Mississippi & Hatchie rivers would provide plenty of fresh water & fish, the land around here is fertile & there is plenty of local wildlife, security would probably be the biggest concern, as most of the able bodied men in such a "mutual assistance group" would need to be spread out into various small work detachments. I'd have to give that sort of scenario some more thought.

Well we are really not supposed to discuss topics that are "what is my gun worth" in nature, so I was trying not to violate any forum rules, however I may have been to vague in dancing around any sort of specifics. Anyway since they are pre-ban they are worth more to folks living in states with AWB type legislation, my advice would be to check out some of those states forums to see what the going rates for pre-ban AR's are, that is where you will get the most money out of them.

Rusty, Your right, this sort of thing probably isn't for everyone, there would have to be a certain level of trust involved, trust that the folks you hosted wouldn't rob you, trust that if you were the one "in need" that the other person would honor their end of the agreement to host you & your family, etc. Family would be my first choice as well, but I am sure that there are some other folks like myself who are transplants from other states & only our immediate families are down here with us, unfortunately the rest of my family is 9 hours drive from here. Besides I have a couple of spare bedrooms not being used at the moment, one with a queen size, the other with a twin, plus a couple of couches, a queen sized inflatable mattress, a few sleeping bags, etc so I could provide shelter for quite a few folks if the need arose. And I don't mind sharing my food & water with the hungery, or providing medical supplies to the sick or injured or even loaning out a firearm & some ammunition to someone who was unarmed, don't get me wrong I would like to have any firearms returned to me after the shtf crisis dies down though. Maybe I am just being nieve but I doubt that there would be any reason for someone I was hosting to rob me, considering I am more than willing to provide as much assistance to them & their family as I possibly could.

Is anyone interested in helping to organize something like this? Essentially the way it would work is folks would agree to offer up food/water, shelter, etc to other agreement folks if for whatever reason one of the other reciprocal agreement folks were forced to evacuate or were burned out, etc during/after a shtf event. It would need to be semi-local, for instance I can offer up assistance to folks on the far west-side of Tennessee, more specifically in the Memphis to Jackson area. Depending on the situation I could also provide other essential gear like emergency radios, flashlights, I can even loan out weapons &/or ammunition if needed. Is there any interest in putting together something like this?

If she liked the look & feel of the Walther PK380 why not get her a Walther PK380? they are great little pistols.

[quote name='hipower' timestamp='1353122849' post='847015'] I understand. Wouldn't mind the Combat Commander, but got too many other wants to take care of first. All joking aside, I like the O model, but it's not the best 1911 I've ever had. I'd really be hard pressed to pick only one. But I am partial to sigs these days. [/quote] I also really dig Sig's, I have a P226R DAK that is a phenominal shooting gun, the trigger group on it is the smoothest, most consistant trigger I've ever felt on a semi-auto, H&K's LEM trigger groups come close but the DAK edges them out in my opinion. The Combat Commanders suffer from the same problem as the Officer ACP's do, with both models being solid stainless steel they are both a bit heavy to lug around all day, but that extra weight does make them both very sweet shooters, much less felt recoil than the alloy-framed light weight Commanders or these Colt New Agent's. But the older I get the lighter and smaller I want my carry guns to be, these Colt New Agent's might be just the ticket, I am going to have to go fondle one at the local fun store now!

Yea they are a handful as pups, they do grow into wonderful adult dogs though, plenty of excersize (including a lot of swimming sessions) along with a good varity of chew toys helps. They also "bond" really strong, so seperation anxiety can be an issue, plenty of regular socialization with other people/animals or another dog as a companion helps to eleviate some that.

I've a 1yr old chocolate lab laying at my feet, he's only my 2nd lab, many years prior to adopting him I adopted a female black lab who I can honestly say was one of the best dogs I have ever had the pleasure of sharing my life with. In fact the great experience that I had with her is the reason that I chose to adopt another lab after moving down here to TN, they are very loving, eager to please, extremely intelligent, unflinchingly loyal, mostly obedient (they can be head-strong/independent at times), very protective but not aggressive, loves to play, great prey instinct, etc, etc. My chocolate is the same, albiet he has grown to twice the size that my black lab was, she was more of a large medium size, he on the other hand is quite large, more the size of the Rhodesian Ridge Back that I had, sanz the bad attitude. Anyway if you can't tell I am a serious dog lover & I am especially fond of labs, so if you ever need to re-home her don't hesitate to get ahold of me! Enjoy your new addition to your family!, btw what did you name her?