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I don't understand how Promag stays in business, myself. I've never heard anything good about any of their products.

The ATI stock needs some fitting, but it's not hard to do and can be done rather quickly. And the little carbine looks 1000% better with the ATI stock! I think it handles better too. You cannot use the Promag Hi-Cap mags unless you do some work on the plastic sleeve that encases them. Of course, Oh-Shoot is correct about the Pro-Mags. I wasted money on two of them. I understand if you tinker with them you can get them to work. Something I really don't have the time for. in hindsight I'd have rather spent the money on the factory 10 rounders. The thing that I like on the new Hi-Point Stock is the rail underneath the fore grip. That's something your going to have to modify on the ATI stock cause there is nothing to attach anything to. I'd love to put a bi-pod on mine.

Dang it! I just put mine in an ATI stock about two months ago. Wish I had waited now.

You are correct sir! Thanks for the correction.

If we go to a Soft Point design then we throw out the Geneva Convention. No thanks.

Saiga. Then build the hell out of it!

+1!!!

What is it they say... This Thread is Worthless Without Pictures! Saw a man sell a High Standard Sentinel at the Gun Show in Knoxville Saturday for $120. I probably should have bought it on the spot for $130. Just wasn't what I was looking for at the moment. It wasn't in near the shape this one is in, but it was worth $130. High Standard Sentinel Deluxe .22 LR R-107 95% 22 : Revolvers at GunBroker.com

I did see a converted Saiga .223 for $400.

I purchased one at the Gun Show Satuday here in Knoxville in a FTF. Turns out it's a Chinese made T53 made in 1955. I suspect that the stock has been refinished. There is a lot of shellack on it. The blue seems good. Bore is a bit dark. Going to give it a good going over this weekend and take it to the range to see what I really got. I'll post a picture soon.

I bought some FFFG at Gander Mountain in Knoxville about back in August.

I spent many hours in one of those during many ATs and Desert Storm. Did you put AC in it too? That was the one think lacking! The radio wasn't necessary in Saudi Arabia. Hope you got better tires too. Army procurement apparently didn't do much off-roading. The tires they issued were supposed to keep the mud from collecting in the thread. They didn't.

Well, I haven't shot it yet to learn that! Going to try to get out to the range next weekend and test it out. Going to take the .22s out too. Love shooting .22s!

There was some guy that was selling those little Suzuki things (except they were Dihotsos) over off Chapman Hwy in Seymour. Seems like you could get them for around $4000.

I understand Grimel's point. At one time and maybe still now, the Military was looking to move away form the 7.62x51 in favor of the .300 Winchester, because it's power and performance at 1000 yard was superior. I suspect that has taken a back seat to the two wars we've entered into in Iraq and Afghanistan, though it would seem to me that now is the time to be testing a new sniper rifle. I'd throw another caveat until the meddled mess, by saying the AK and AR platforms are really doing two different tasks. The AK is designed to be used by anyone with as little training time as possible. It's cheap and easy to produce. The accuracy was everything the Soviets wanted from it, because they only wanted to keep our heads down while they brought in the Artillery. 3 to 4 inch groups at a hundred meters were plenty acceptable for this mission. The AR was designed to be light and portable while delivering accurate shots out to 300 meters (600 meters for you Marines out there), which allows us to fire and maneuver on the enemy. The U.S. Military as always taken pride in it's ability to shoot accurately. We also take great pride in not causing a lot of collateral damage, unlike the Soviets whose basic doctrine was to blast large chucks of earth to smithereens. Honestly though the rack grade M16a1s that I trained with and carried in Desert Storm were about as accurate as the AK47s I've shot. I don't consider them to be overly complicated as far as maintenance goes either, though they are harder to clean than an AK. And I think with the advent of the AK on our shores, we will wring out much more accuracy from it. As more ex service members started buying ARs and working on them, their accuracy improved. They are a much better weapon than what was first issued in Vietnam. Now back to the original comparison of the AR to an M1 Carbine. Placing a M4 side by side with a M1 Carbine, I think there is no comparison. I'd take the M4 hands down over the carbine. The sights are better for one. The M4 shoots a superior round to the M1 Carbine, because it shoots flatter, faster and for a much longer range. I bet that the M4 shoots cooler over sustained shooting conditions as well. Go shoot 300 hundred rounds as fast as you can down each one of them and see which is easier to grip afterward. That's important in a fight. I also suspect the 5.56x45 round deals far more damage than the .30 Carbine at a longer range as well. Maintenance wise, the M1 is maybe a little easier to keep clean just because it doesn't have all those little crevasses to negotiate like the M-4 does, but as long as the M4 is kept clean it will function perfectly in most all environments. The M1 Carbine was a fine weapon for what it was called on to do (arm cooks, admin and supply personnel) with something better than a pistol, but it was never meant to be a true battle rifle. The M16 and it's offspring was and is. And Gregintenn your opinion counts too. If you don't particularly care for them, there's a lot of other stuff to shot out there. I like them all!

Thanks for the info and links, BD! I need to order a couple items form them!

Didn't watch and don't care. Quite caring in 1997, as all good Tennessee fans should.

It'd work for me!

They are good people at Sevier Indoor Range!

I saw a lot of M1 Carbines. You'll have fun looking at all of them. They were pretty scattered around. I hope you find the one you are looking for.

No. I got this one from a skin young in bluejeans and a baseball camp. He wanted $150. I offered him $125 and he took it. In hind sight, I wished I'd have offered $100, but I felt that was too low. I need to find some dog collars and a sling. It also doesn't have the cleaning rod. I've seen them at SARCO or someplace in Shotgun news. As for prices, I heard one dealer complaining about the the lack of interest in his "older" guns. He had some old Iver Johnson looking revolvers. The old kind. Said he did a lot better online. If that was the case, I didn't understand why he didn't just sell them online. There was an old Charter Arms Bulldog .44spl that an older fella wanted $275 for. The finish was about 60%. I thought about offering him $200, cause I've always wanted one, but I didn't figure he come off of it that much, so I moved on. Seemed to me that there were a lot of AR's there. People were carrying them around and they had a tables on top of tables of them. Can't believe they are still selling at those prices. I saw nothing under $799, but I wasn't looking that close.

Went to the show this afternoon with my son. We had a good time. Didn't see much I wanted, but I did manage to snag a Mosin Nagant M-44 for $125. The wood seems to have been shellacked. Looks clean though. Didn't get the sling or oiler and other stuff. Guy just had the rifle. A man at one of the tables took a liking to my son and gave him a lock back knife and another gave him a tootsie pop. He made out like a bandit! He had fun, but I think he was ready to go after two hours. Of course, part of that might have been because I promised him we'd go to Hooters for lunch. His momma is to thank for that. I met them at the Red Lobster on Kingston Pike for dinner last week after work. They got there before me and he asked her what Hooters was. She said that was the place where the waitresses have big boobs and daddy likes to go. Soon as I sat down, he said Daddy, you need to take me to Hooters. So we made it a guy day, gun show and Hooters!

I'd like to have several of those weapons in that photograph! That's make for a hell of a collection! I see a SVT, a M14, a 98K and that StG44! And is that some sort of Berreta submachinegun maybe?

You should become a Benefactor and post it here. FAL's usually don't stay around long.

I love a good beaver!.... Beaver tail!!!! Yeah!!! Still I like the lines on a good looking milspec 1911. But if I'm going non-milspec, it's going to have a beaver tail.