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Safety for what?  What does the Corp think will happen?

I agree with Spots on this.  I think this would be good in a cache or at your shelter.  That's a lot of extra weight to lug around just to be used for hunting.  When you are on the move, less weight is better.  And it will not do double duty for defense.  However, I think several of these and 20,000 pellets or more would be very handy for hunting and target practice, once you get where you are going.   While I have some things in my BOB for hunting, I don't really plan on taking the time to hunt while moving to where I plan to shelter.  I plan on getting there as fast as possible, as quickly as possible and as unseen as possible.  The longer you are out on the "trail" the more likely you are going to be someone's target.  I don't plan on that.

Where did you find the filters at? I've been looking locally, but obviously not in the right spot.

Voted YES 2.03%   NO 97.97%

Spots, I'd suggest you add some additional weight to your BOB, to compensate for not carrying the rifle.if you make a practice run.  While 7 or 8 pounds might not seem like much, you will feel it at the end of the day.  By adding the weight of the rifle in, You will know exactly what it will feel like.  Are you planning on just hiking or trying to sneak as well? That could put a bit more challenge into you journey.   If you carry some sort of water purification system (boiling, chemicals, or purifier ), you won't have to hunt for clean water.  Any water will just about do.  Giardia is a bad thing to get.   Another lightweight item you could carry that might come in hand for catching food is a rat trap.

I've not been thinking about selling my converted Saiga .223, but I have been thinking about trading it for Ruger Scout.  I have no problem with someone selling a Modern Sporting Rifle at an inflated price.  I just think that those that are panicking and paying said higher prices are not the sharpest tools in the shed.  I think prices will come back down at some point.  Then they will spike again when it appears we are close to a vote on some sort of AWB.

I have several Pro Gun links that I like on my FB Page and they are all still there.  I think this is bogus.

Oh, I know about the awesome properties of wool. That's what I usually camp with and keep with my BOB.  But I would not carry two of them.  Way too much weight to lug around.  My wool blanket alone is a third of the weight of my BOB without the food and water.

We probably just doubled your pack weight!!! :)  If you decide to add and additional blanket, I'd suggest that you go with a lightweight sleeping bag, instead.  Two wool blankets are going to get heavy, somewhere in the 10 to 15 lb range!!!   The reason for more food, is because you will be burning calories like crazy if, God forbade, the worst happens and you actually have to use this stuff! Anxiety alone will increase your metabolism and cause you to burn calories. While hunting might be an option, do you really want to draw a lot of attention to yourself by using a firearm?  Or even take the time to hunt?  That was the reason for the slingshot.  A slingshot makes virtually no noise.  The fishing kit suggested earlier was a great suggestion as well!   Another suggestion is some salt, pepper and hot sauce for your food.  In the Army, everything was better with hot sauce!

One of my greatest heroes!  I'm proud to say I served under him, during Desert Storm.  Rest in Peace, Sir!

And you can pretty much figure that if there are a million armed gun owners in D.C.  The elected Government will not be there.

You need more food.  For water purifcation, consider something like the Sawyer PointOne Emergency Water Filter http://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-PointOne-Emergency-Filtration-Light-Weight/dp/B004TZ86M6/ref=pd_sim_sg_2 .  Or if you are on a budget, maybe a Sawyer Personal Water Bottle Filter Kit. http://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Personal-Water-Bottle-Filter/dp/B005SO8VAE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1356647647&sr=8-9&keywords=water+purification+bottle   I'd also recommend another tarp in addition to the water proof canvas. Just get one of those poly tarps at the local hardware store.  They are light and have all kinds of uses. Harbor Freight has camo ones for $5 or $6. http://www.harborfreight.com/9-ft-6-inch-x-7-ft-4-inch-camouflage-tarp-46411.html  There is a Harbor Freight in Fountain City.  If that waterproof canvas is heavy, I'd consider replacing it with something like this.  http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/UL-Multicam-Tarp-10x10-tarp-10x10-mc-ul.htm (I would try to find a cheaper alternative though.  Don't know about you, but that's a lot of money for me).   Some sort of a cook set.  You could purchase a dedicated cooking outfit like UncleJak said or just pick up a couple of stainless steel dog bowls at Tractor Supply.  They are pretty cheap there. You might want something like a cup to drink out of and a spoon, to eat with.  Seems like a waste of weight, but those are things that can help keep your sprites up while you are going through the nightmare.    What about a slingshot for quiet hunting or take it a step further and make a sling bow?   Some form of entertainment or communication with the outside world.  I suggest a small battery or windup operated radio.  Again something light like this http://www.amazon.com/ER-Emergency-Ready-Hand-Crank-Flashlight/dp/B0007CL02S/ref=sr_1_8?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1356649313&sr=1-8&keywords=crank+radio .   Lastly some fire tender, like cotton balls doused in Petroleum jelly, dryer lint and/or fat wood.  Hand sanitizer works well with this as well.

Seems like there some guys that tried to buy guns at a buy back here in Knoxville, several years ago.

Pretty good!  I converted mine myself and I have about $550 in my Saiga .223 and 7 mags.  I bought mine about 3 years ago. So all in all, I think you did well!

It makes you sick! I had it happen to me about 15 years ago.  I've never heard a word from the police.  I don't expect to either.  But still file a police report.  Maybe someday you will get it back. 

The Rossi's I've handled over the years have been pretty decent pistols for the money.  If you are on a budget and need two pistols, then they are a pretty good buy.  I never find good deals on used Smiths at Gun Stores or Pawn Shops.  Most of the time, you are better off to buy a new one, for what they want on used ones.  Finding a Colt revolver on a budget price, well good luck with that, since they don't make them anymore!  If your on a budget and are needing two revolvers, better to stick with Rossi or Taurus, and maybe Charter.

It's still going to be a wood stocked AR.  I don't think the next ban will not be like the 94 AWB. It will be much tighter and easier to enforce.  Wood furniture will not save your rifle!

As I thought, business as usual for the Federal Government, when we go over the Fiscal Cliff.  Oh there will be temporary appropriate cuts in travel and technology and other things like that, but nothing meaningful. They will hold off furloughs and lay-offs as long as possible and cut in other areas.  Most likely, our vaunted Legislators on both sides will find a way to climb back up that Fiscal Cliff and no one will lose a job and nothing will be cut permanently.  No needless and duplicate programs will be gone.  The Leaders on both sides of the aisle, will make sure that nothing is cut.  There will be no downsizing in Government, because downsizing means someone loses their power and they can't have that in Washington D.C. Both sides want that power in place, when they are in control.

I have no problem with recycling. The City of Knoxville made it easy for us this year.  They gave us a large recycle bin.  We put our recyclables in it, just the same as putting it in the trash.  We just have an extra trash can in the house.  Every two weeks they come by and pick it up at the street.  Cut back my use of regular trash cans by half, with no extra effort on my part.  In one of my past lives I designed Landfills for an Engineering firm.  I know it's a big deal to find a place for and create a new landfill when the old one fills up and it ends up costing us taxpayers more too.  Better to do my part and recycle, and extend the life of my city's landfill than to have my taxes good up more often, because the city needs a new landfill.

This is what worries and scares me.  When or if this happens, this is what it will be like.  The Evil doers will hid behind the law and send good men and women after good men and women.  In the end, is there really a way out of all this?  It seems at some point we will all be "criminals" in the eyes of the Government.  If not this time, then the next time gun control comes up, or the next time. 

Merry Christmas my friends here at TGO! May the morning bring you and yours all the things you and they wanted and may your day be a happy and joyful one! I hope you all take the time to think about the loved ones that are serving overseas and who are not able to be here with us this Christmas and also to think of those that have gone on to a better place, to be beside their maker. I wish you all peace and happiness!!! :)

I'm sure the Chinese would love to loan Washington the money to buy back all those evil hi-powered military assault weapons with their evil hi-velocity clips from us stupid, ignorant, barbarian, rednecks!!!   Sorry!  Got caught up in the Liberal National Media vernacular.  Please forgive me!  I'll try not to let it happen again.

Signed it.  I was 48,611th person to do so.  I don't normally go for this stuff either, but for him, I will gladly make an exception!

Pretty draconian stuff, but I am not shocked. I could see this as a outline of new national gun control legislation.  I don't think this would be approved out of Washington in it's entirety, though.

I don't agree with the first part of your post.  I don't think there was any kind of fix on to get him re-elected.  I just think there are a lot of stupid. naive people that voted for him. The stupid ones are looking for a handout and will turn on the Democratic Party when the tap runs dry.  The Naive ones are looking for the easy fix to the economy. What they don't understand is there isn't an easy fix.  We have to go on the Dave Ramsey Plan and live within our means. However I think you are right on with the rest of your post. I see a tremendous amount of push back against his and the ENTIRE Democratic agenda by the Red States (which is most of them outside the Northeast and Left Coast).