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On Facebook, Sig Saur announced yesterday that the first shipments of 938s have shipped to distributors. I wander which gd in the Knoxville area will receive them first. I have held off from buying the Sig 238, but I want the 938. I know I should wait at least a year to make sure Sig has the bugs worked out, but I want 938 now. Got to have one! Maybe Bentons will have them, need to place a standing order.

My wife has the combo, but I have often wandered if she didn't have it could she lose her life. Suppose a zombie visited my wife, suppose she really didn't know the combo, but the zombie thought she was lying. With a gun to her head, could she lose her life if she couldn't open the safe? This may sound like a joke, but I have seriuosly thought about this. There is absolutely nothing in the safe worth losing a life over, so she knows the combo, wish I could say it for that reason, but I just shared it with her on day 1.

Thanks for the replies. No I do not have any experience with Sandblast, just know enough to not blast through metal plus I used ~40lbs psi. I do have some before and after pics (I did buy some later oem grips, I just like the later plastic grips than the others): http://http://

They say that mistakes come from a lack of experience, experience comes from mistakes, good judgment comes from experience, and wisdom comes from good judgments. I must admit, that I am now wise beyond my years from my 1st ever gunkote job on a Sig P226. Let me set it up. I purchased the cheapest and lowest grade of a West German Sig P226 9mm from Sarco in Pennsylvania a few months back. If you search this site, I likely have a topic on my Sarco Sig. Well I was pleased with the gun purchase, after all it was a West German Sig!!! A great shooter, very smooth, but well worn holster warn. After a few friends ragged on the cosmetic appearance, and my own barber made fun of the worn out gun (they don’t respect the Sig), I decided after reading a few message board posts, hey I can Cerekote a gun, I am a do it your self kind of person. I have re-built engines, painted (actually primmered) whole cars before, and can even change the oil in my vehicles without guessing what socket size to use. I am a do it yourself kind of person. Heck I replaced a hot water heater and sweated copper pipes from using videos on Youtube. Didn’t need a plumber, saved hundreds of dollars. Surely I can paint a gun using the gun coating products out there, and all of the informational videos and posts. This will be a piece of cake. I started my research on the process. Read many message boards, TGO, Glock Talk, Sig Forum, Sig Talk, Ar-15, Daisy BB Talk, and blah, blah, blah. Likely read over 100 different detailed posts. Considered Cerekote, Durakote, Durabake, and finally settled on Gunkote. Gunkote appeared to rise to the top at least when you google and read most posts. So Gunkote it is. Just buy it from Brownells and be done. Now to sandblasting. Read about sand blasting, bead blast vs. silicone blast vs. aluminum oxide. It was almost unanimous that aluminum oxide 120 grit was the way to go. Read about the cheap blast cabinets, but almost nothing about hand held sand blasters. In the end, I settled for a hand held sand blaster. Actually found a deal on a 25 year old plus Sears Craftsman sandblast gun that resembles a full size paint sprayer. Hardly used and in the box with instructions, and built very sturdy. You can buy a new cheap gun at Harbor Freight, it just lacks the sturdiness (I know I broke one while in the store)! Lets see, ordered 4 oz of the Gunkote (everyone says 4 oz will do 2+ guns), ordered Gunkote recommended phosphate coating, bought 25# of aluminum oxide from Northern Tool, bought one can of brake cleaner spray from Wal-Mart, bought a box of latex gloves, bought a spool of hanging wire from Northern Tool, and even bought a $6 toaster over from the local Habitat for Humanity store. I already had a large air compressor and an older spray paint gun. I also bought a couple of air drier filters to make sure there was no moisture in the compressed air. DO DRAIN YOUR AIR COMPRESSOR before beginning any type of paint work. I probably should have drained mine the first time, but eventually did, about a gallon or more of rusty water drained out. So I am set, ready to go, or least I thought. Disassembled my Sig as per Youtube. Simple, straight forward, nothing major to report. Starting sandblasting, I had a cheap dust mask, one of those military boonie hats and a clear face shield like the one Duckie wears on NCIS. I considered the KKK type hood, but didn’t want to spend the $20-$60 since my contraption of the face shield and boonie hat should work. Like I stated earlier, I did consider the cheap $150 sandblast cabinet (Harbor Freight or Amazon), but decided that this might be my only gun to Gunkote, and in my 44 years, never did need a sandblast unit, so I decided to buy. So I had no concern about catching or re-using my sandblast media. So I started sandblasting the gun parts in the driveway. The sandblasting worked great and I had a large pile of media piling up outside my garage in the driveway. My gun and parts were now fully sandblasted, frosty and looked good. My vehicles had a light dusting of media (that was bad), and my driveway was just ugly with sand. I do live in a sub-division with curb streets, so sand in the driveway wasn’t too good. OH, DO NOT USE water to wash away the media in the driveway, its bad idea. It clumps and just does nothing, and goes into the street. DO USE the leaf blower on both the driveway and vehicles. DO NOT WIPE YOUR CAR WITH A CLOTH with sandblast media on your car. Fortunately, I was wise enough not to do this. BTW wear long sleeve shirts. If you spray sandblast media in the bright sun, your arms will sweat and the media will stick to your arms until you take a shower. Your air compressor blow nozzle will not remove the dust from your arms. I tried, and it does not work. Still with me? Following? Okay, now I put on the latex gloves, and begin the degreasing process. I read a post and saw on Youtube, that an aqueous solution of 50/50 water and Simple Green works best vs. the brake cleaner. Simply place your parts into a pot, add the 50/50 solution and boil for 15 minutes. OH, DO NOT DO THIS in the kitchen. The odor from the boiling solution caused me to sleep on the couch for two nights, because the wife was very ill from the smelling of the concoction. Nasty stuff! Once boiled, wearing the gloves and using pliers I removed each part and blow dried using the air compressor. Then I baked the parts on 220F for about 10 minutes. Used 220F because I know that water will evaporate or boil away @ 212F. Perfect, now I am ready for the phosphate. Using gloves and the hanging wire, made pretty decorations of gun parts worthy of a Christmas tree. Now I am ready for the phosphate. The instructions with the phosphate says simply coat or dip. That’s it, no other instructions. So I hesitated, and decided to use my spray gun, which I thought was a good decision. Prepared the solution, just dumped ½ bottle into my aluminum cup and started spraying. Since the instructions says dip or coat, so I started coating, and coating until the parts were shiny. DO NOT SPRAY THE PARTS UNTIL SHINY! When the parts dried, I had a very frosty white color and green appearance. Started googling the phosphate frost and phosphate spray, and found a hit that says DO NOT SPRAY PARTS UNTIL SHINY! A little to late! Too much phosphate will cause a frost. Great, why didn’t I find this before. So I decided that I needed to sandblast again to remove the phosphate. Still with me? Are you asleep by now. Remember, I thought I was going to sandblast 1 time, by now I have about 1/3 of my media left in the bucket. So this time, I figured I needed to recover the media because I knew I did not have enough. So I used a 5 gallon bucket turned about 30 degrees to catch my media, I am now concerned that I do not have a enough media and I need to sandblast my whole gun. WOW, I believe I retained 90% of the remaining media and it still looked pristine. I learned how to spray at lower air pressures and half trigger, and hardly to no back splatter. I still recommend the face mask. By now my paper air respirators are trash, and don’t really work. But my redneck sandblast unit works great. Now I am ready for the aqueous solution boiling again. This time, I used a portable stove that I used for camping and boiled my parts outside in the garage. Yea, no more couch. However, this time, I must not have got a true 50/50 solution, because within minutes after the parts were boiled and then dried, my parts developed a light orange frosty rust. Thank goodness I recovered my sandblast media, or I would be out. So back to the sand blast I went. I am a pro now at sandblasting, and I have an ad on Craigslist will sandblast for small parts for a small fee (just kidding). After sandblasting, this time, instead of boiling the parts with simple green, I went straight to using compressed air to blow the parts free from media and using Acetone. Now I am ready for the phosphate again. This time, after googling how to apply phosphate, found a good hit at AR15 forum, that said light mist is all that you need. So about 24†away, proceeded with a light mist. The parts, when dried had a funky pattern like a splatter. Read some posts that gunkote hides the patterns, so I didn’t sweat it. Finally I am ready for the paint. Thank goodness. Cleaned the spray gun using Acetone, check. Shook the Gunkote can for 5 minutes, check. Parts ready for paint, check. Spray…….Well I must be tremendously rusty with spraying, because I believe I dumped my 4 oz of Gunkote in manner of seconds. Yep, gone! I am out of Gunkote and my Sig and little parts are about 50% painted. GOOD GRIEF!!! Well some of the smaller parts are coated, and the Gunkote did not cover up the phosphate pattern!!!! I can still see the phosphate splatter pattern. Oh yea, the color I chose was Satin Black after reading several posts that said the Sig P226 and Gunkote Satin Black was an exact match. Of the parts that were coated, they appeared to look very shiny and glossy, not like my other newer Sigs. GOOD GRIEF!!!! Maybe this do it your self kind of buy needs just to quit!!! What to do? Well I am a stubborn do it your selfer regardless of cost, so how else will I master this task. Read many more forum posts, and re-ordered the Gunkote, but did not order any phosphate this time. I did order 4 oz satin black and 4 oz flat black, found a post of a guy who had the same shiny problem that I did, and said that mixing the two colors 50/50 works great. Ordered a cheap airbrush gun from Amazon for $9 delivered. Ordered more media, just in case, this time found a vendor on Ebay that sold it for $20 less than northern tool. They actually shipped it by air from Washington state to East Tennessee at no additional cost, what a deal. Are you with me? Are you still there? Sand blasted the gun again to remove the previous paint. If you are keeping up, this is sandblast #4. The markings are still legible, the serial number deep, so no problem yet. This time cleaned the gun using acetone only. Oh by the way, DO NOT LEAVE PARTS LYING AROUND FOR KIDS TO TOUCH, OH LOOK DADDY YOUR PART. Good grief, now I have to clean again!!!! Its important once sandblasted, no human hands touch the parts due to skin oil residue. Oh if I haven’t mentioned it, DO NOT SAND BLAST THE INSIDE OF YOUR GUN BARRELL. Fortunately, I did not, but I did find a post or two that other brainiacs like me did, and the gun never shot accurate again. I discovered on my own if you use ear plugs, the $0.99 per pack ear plugs, the ones you roll up in to a cone works great. Just roll and insert in each end of the barrel. You can even run the hanging wire through the barrel and use the ear plugs to close off the barrel and it does not effect the wire in any way. The parts are ready for paint. I am going to skip the phosphate this time. I decided its just not for me or this gun. I will tackle phosphate on the next gun. Using my new airbrush gun, 50/50 satin and flat black paint, I started spraying. WOW! The color does look good and what wanders an airbrush gun has over a large traditional automotive spray gun. And yes, 4 oz is enough and then some. The parts look great, no runs and the color is very close match to my one of my new P220 Sig. Now the oven. Oh by the way, I probably know why my toaster over was at the Habitat store. It will not recognize 325 degrees. If you set it at 325, it keeps going and going. I did buy one of those independent temperature gages since most people say you can not trust the temp setting. Well you can’t trust my little habitat oven, it may say 325, but my handy independent gage says 600 degrees. GOOD GREIF!!! Anyway, I had to monitor the temp and open and close the door to keep it between 325 and 400. One hour later, you heard of Glock Perfection, Now I have Sigfection, the way it ought to be done. Maybe I need to copyright that or make a T Shirt!!! Now I am going to let it cool for 24 hours, then its assembly time. Oh, during the assembly process, I ended up with a part missing. After looking for the part for an hour, did I lose it in the sandblast storm? Well finally found it under my workbench. Remember, Daddy I like your gun parts. One of the kids must have picked up a part and dropped it on the floor. Good grief, I have to get the paint, airbrush, and paint a pin. Then bake a pin. Good grief. The morale of the story, if you are a do it yourself kind of guy, and you lack sound judgment and wisdom, maybe this tale will discourage you from Gunkoting your gun, or just maybe I will save you much agony with my own experience. Looking back, the process was very challenging and fun. I admit my gun turned out 110% better than I thought it would. I did test my wife to pick it out form a line up of guns. Of course she is not a gun person, and she actually failed the test. I had two like new Sigs, P220 and P229, and this newly painted Sig P226, she chose the P220 because she said it looked a little flatter than mine. Wow I fooled someone. Maybe Gaston Glock gurus will pick out the flaws, but for my first, it was a great seriously looking new kinda of gun. I now consider myself a wise gunkoter. I will never re-coop the cost of this 1st gun coating in terms of cost and labor, but the experience is PRICELESS! I will paint again, my next goal is a P6 or P225, in poor shape. The kids will not be allowed in the garage next time.

I should read more of these posts, I usually just read the posts with the catchy headlines that catch my eye. Morals for some reason didn’t appeal, but this morning, I read, and liked how it morphed into religion, I should have guessed: Morals, on a grander scale have taken a nosedive over the past 70+ years. Yes, morality has been problem since the first bite of the apple. Yes, there was time in human history it was so bad for a society that a guilt ridden God decided to start all over (a.k.a. Noah story). In modern times, I have read and I must admit that I agree, that the downward spiral of America’s morals on a large scale was the introduction of women into the workforce during WWII. Nothing against women working, but it was the start of the breakdown of family on a large scale. A family is a husband (1-man), wife (1-woman), and children. Any other arrangement, allows for an incomplete family and subject to serious fundlemental problems on a large scale. I know there are exceptions, know very good people from the non-traditional home setup, but I would be willing to bet they had serious challenges that must have been over-comed that a traditional family model does not have to endure. The moral thing is tied directly to the family model period! Fix the family, and you fix morals! While I am here, yes I was blessed to have been born in America and to have been a child of God fearing saved parents. I was saved as a 7-year-old boy when I received Christ as my savior. During my late teenage years and my 20s and into my early 30s, I drifted far from God. I quit going to church, quit praying, and quit reading the bible. Drank, chased women, and lived the good life or so I thought! But I believe it was my salvation that kept me from drifting into really bad situations during those turbulent years. I had lot guilt and knew that I had made a lot of bad choices. It wasn’t until I moved to new town and I had a sweet neighbor invite me to church that I realized what was missing. I didn’t immediately fall back into church; it was after I was married and we had our second child and after I received a scolding from my brother about alcohol and raising a family. I started praying again, and then one day I had a life changing experience. I had always believed 100% of the bible, but I had chose not to follow its teachings. This emptiness, this desire to be forgiven, and this desire to make sure I spend eternity with my children, I prayed to the all mighty one and one GOD. I wanted back in church, I wanted to share the gospel to my children and wanted to get plugged into Church. That was Jan 1st, 2007, and I have had my family in church ever since. Some 5 years later, I have never been happier, and wholly fulfilled. The amount of blessings my wife and I have now, I do pin it to the Jan 1, 2007 life changing event. We have been blessed in so many ways and we owe everything to Him. Folks if you do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, that is natural because the bible teaches that. However, I challenge the ones that went higher than the 3rd grade if you will just the study the science of the bible, not from a religious point of view, but a historical and science point of view, you might just reconsider your thought process. Understand the bible is not a book, but a collection of 66 individual books that were pinned by man (inspired by God) over courses of 2,000+ years. There is not one sentence or conflicting inspiration in the Holy Bible. The foretelling of Jesus, how we would be born, how he would die, method of death, and resurrection, was all foretold thousands of years before his birth. Was that just a coincidence with the man born as Jesus? Is the bible written so vague that any possibility of interpretation is there? I don’t think so. Either Jesus Christ is who says he was, God and man, or he was the greatest fake of all time, and was unwilling to change his stance even though he endured the most horrible death process of his time. Folks if I was claiming to be a god, and the religious leaders had me arrested, and after being arrested still to stubborn to admit what I really was, just a man deceiving others, don’t know about you, but the first lash of the Scourged process, I would have screamed I am a fake, stop, it hurts, and blah blah blah. Yet, Jesus held to his last breath, who and what he was. The perfect lamb of sacrifice. True Christianity was not designed to be a society control mechanism, it was designed to take the already condemned sinner, and allow a pardon to be granted. Nothing more simpler. Choose Jesus, receive your pardon! Amen!

He's alive yes He's alive Yes He's alive and I'm forgiven Heaven's gates are open wide He's alive yes He's alive Oh He's alive and I'm forgiven Heaven's gates are open wide He's alive He's alive Hallelujah He's alive He's alive and I'm forgiven Heaven's gates are open wide He's alive He's alive He's alive I believe it He's alive Sweet Jesus

I had heard about the following of pain clinic patients to drug stores, but I also have heard that about ER patients too. Low lifes hang out in the ER, watch patients come in with injuries or pain, then when treated and discharged from the ER, followed them to the drug store, then either robbed them in the parking lot, or followed them home. I am a news junky, I will try to find the news article, and post, its been months though.

I do remember the 25-20, auctioneers were terrible at descriptions, and lack of model number, but they seemed to focus on the caliber, the 25-20 I remember sold ~11am, I believe it brought high in the upper $500s w/o fees.

I don't remember the model number, but if its the one in 44 magnum, I remember it brought ~$700 + the fees.

Update. This forum advice and my better judgment did not prevail. Arrived around 9:30am, stood in line for 30 min. just to have A bidding card, did get a seat thanks to my 7 year old grabbing two seats. What a crowd. There were likely 500+ people there in a 1950s downtown dime store size space, and no a/c. Just like everyone predicted, the guns went for 100-150% retail and then some. This is without +10% auctioneer fee, +9.75% state sales tas, +$15 background check. Oh, if you paid by debit/credit, +4% more. The two guns that I was most interested in did not sell until after 2:30pm. These two guns I wanted for myself, not re-sell. Lost both to people who wanted them more than me in tune of +$100 or more. I quit bidding in the high reasonable area, and I think I keep informed on most used gun prices. Here are some laughs: Most Ruger 10-22s went for $250 w/o a scope, with a scope regardless of brand, kissed close to $400 without the extra fees added on, ~$500 OTD. Ravens, Lorcin, Jennings 25s all went +$80-$120, The colt 357 with the Leopold scope went for close $2,000 w/o fees (yes not a misprint), Marlin 60s 22 autos went for close to $200. Many guns that you still can buy at Wal-Mart went close to +$100 over Walmart price, unbelievable. There were so many more examples that I could keep typing, and typeing..... Now I did see some possible good buys, a Colt 1911 style in small comando size went for high $700s, several Smiths in 45 auto went reasonable, a couple of Springfields were in the low $600s. I believe around 2pm, I saw a Smith auto in 9mm sell for high $200s. All SKS rifles went for mid $300 to mid $400. I did see a Russian SKS go for $250. Many Chattanooga TV stations were there interviewing the McMinn Co. Sheriff, which by the way worked the auction like one of the hired hands, I thought that was cool. He actually opened the auction with a statement about what a great opportunity it was to sell these guns to law abiding citizens and the money raised would go back to his dept. for tactical goods. More county and city police dept. could learn from this event. If I wasn't obssessed with guns so much, I would have left within 30 minutes, but it was interesting, entertaining, and just down right hip slapping fun to see uneducated or uninformed general public just go zombie crazy over any gun from BB guns to 44 magnums. WHAT A DAY! WHAT A HEADACHE.

I don't know how to post an excel spreadsheet to TGO, but I was able to manipulate the McMinn Co. ad for the guns into a spreadsheet, then text to columns, then sort alphabetically. I just tried posting in a text, and that didn't work.

Agree witht he previous post. I spent a lot of time back in February researching Sig serial numbers and proof marks on a prized West German P226 I recently acquired. What I found is this: If a gun is partially made and intended for the European market, it must have the proof marks of the manufactuor as per the European Gun Manufacturing treaty. Even the proof marks mean something, i.e. its safe and ready to be sold, etc. If a gun is partially manufactured with European parts, but is not wholly complete, and intended for another market like the U.S. then proof marks are not required (U.S. did not sign the treaty). So if you have Sig w/o proof marks, you have a pistol that has parts (frame) made in Germany and slide made in the U.S. Call Sig for your exact assembly date based upon model and serial number.

I was reading another TGO post, and saw someone wished they had checked TGO this morning. I don't know about you, but I know I check it 3-4 times a day along with Armslist. First when I get up, before I go to work, during lunch, and at least 3-4 times before bed. Defiently during my 10 min. crapper moment each day. Wished I had an internet phone, I would probably be checking each hour. TGO is very addicting. I am obsessed with guns and TGO or is it TGO or guns.

You know with 400+ guns, either they are going to group in lots, or its going to take hours and hours to sell that many. Bidders and buyers better have a keen ear, or they will pay $200 for a Lorcin 25 auto + $50 in extra fees. I bet the auctioneers will be cattle auctioneers, very fast, and quick. They can sell 300 head of cattle and goat in little over an hour. Real estate auctioneers will take all day to move 5 acres. Dib, dib, dib.......sold. Seriously, without lots, if they take 60 seconds per gun, its going to take 400 min or 6.7 hours without breaks to sell. I also bet they will sell 1 or 2 of the gems up front, and the remaining gems at the end. The pile or dogs in the middle. Just to tease and keep the money people there all day. The folks with disposible income (money lying around) will buy more cokes, more hot dogs, and maybe a $200 NEF 410 + fees. I will be there, likely all day, and I hope maybe towards 7pm Saturday night, no one will be around when that Sig sells. They will be too bloated on hot dogs and buyers remorse for the $300 Hi Point 9mm purchase that they want to Cerekote mint desert brown.

I will be there, whats up with the gouge: 10% buyers premium. All FFL Laws Apply. 4473 Transfer Fee $15.00. (Background Check). $5.00 for each additional Gun. I thought by law maximum $10 background check. By law is there an allowance of $5 extra for each addtional gun?

Wow, I don't know how many times my 8 year old and 7 year old boys race to get into the house, usually grabbing the car keys to open the front door. This really makes me re-think this fun for the kids game, what if someone was in the house. Thanks for the information, glad it turned out too.

Does this mean there will be a run on brass sheeting used to make all brass cartridges? I wander what is a normal government order vs. this order?

Should have done this long before. I have been reading and folling this topic for some while now. So for the record I sent my state Senator Randy McNally an email just moments ago, asking him to support the bill. Since I have a delima of either facing termination from my employer if caught, or facing termination from some road rage/robbery gone wrong without my ccw. I know this bill is going for the full Senate, but I also sent an email to my state Representive Jimmy Matlock. Hopefully, this bill or a similiar bill will pass the full House too. Just doing my part, sorry it took so long, not too late I hope.

For 60 days a year, I don't call a electrician when I run electricity to my lighted deer and other lightable things in the yard in November and December. Its really rainy and cold. When I am done, I just roll up the extension chord. For 30 years, never burnt up anything. I see your tree house as no different unless you are running 220 or something like that. Use a basic outdoor extension chord until the kids are bored with the tree house, believe me they will be bored once the honeymoon is over. Then roll up the chord and you are done.

I was forced into metal detecting last summer. When my roof was replaced due to the storms, my contractor did a very poor job in containing the roofing nails. After buying a detector from hobby lobby using their 50% off coupon, me and the kids spent 3 days detecting. Found less than $1 in coins in the yard, but did find over 2 lbs of roofing nails. Kids really enjoyed the finding portion.

I am curious, how do sporting clay businesses and other outdoor shooting ranges skirt the enviomental police? Are they legally exempt? Where does all that lead go? I shoot alot of sporting clays, and I know a little about enviromental impacts that businesses and industry can have on the environment, and the serious repercussions in both government fines and real enviormental impacts for non-conpliances. My reasoning for the question, I know each time I have an sporting clays outing, I leave behin 7 lbs of lead. Do the math, that is a lot of lead left behind per person per outing per year. It can be into the 10+ tons of lead per year per course.

For the money, pistol Glock 17 9mm, SKS 7.62x39, and any defensive 12 ga shotgun with 8 shot tube, mossberg 500 12 ga. Then ammo, ammo and more ammo, and a Bible.

I too receieved an email from the same guy back on 2/22 with an ad I posted wanting to buy a Glock: Now that some funny sh!t there Baptist! You beg like a dog! I didn't even bother, figured there was something about confirming emails, and I didn't want to take the bait.

This is a picture I downloaded using google. It is a confirmed raccoon track in the mud. The two pics looks to similiar to me. If its as big as your hands, its probably a large coon, plus the mud can distort the size from entry to exit. Otherwise you may have small hands. On the other hand, this might be one on them Northern gators. Call Troy, he will know. Tell him you thank you have gatur tracks up ther in Tennessee. Love that show.

I kinda liken guns to fast cars and women. More of a variety and different feel. Some are quick, some are slow. Some have some punch, some have sweetness and finess. Some get the job done quickly, but others are just adequate. Some are full of suprises. However, the twin thing is kinda of luring. I might have to do that!