TripleDigitRide

I don't know for sure, but according to the FN FiveSeven forum, this has happened with both, the FiveSeven and other FN firearms.

This didn't happen to me. I took it from another forum. Yes, he contaced FN, but they refuse to do anything, because he was using reloads.

This was taken from another forum, but I've seen plenty of Five-Seven owners posting in here. Some of you may have already seen this, but for everyone else, read away. As some of you already know I had a malfunction of my dearly beloved FN FiveseveN IOM pistol, which I used as a CCW for just over 1 year, that caused my gun to literally explode in my hands. On Saturday, April 12, 2008, at 1528HRS I was out target shooting and testing some ammunition that I had reloaded. Before anyone says, "It was a reload, he probably double charged it!" let me say this: I did not double charge this load, everything was well within specifications. I had loaded 200 rounds of the following: Bullet: Hornady 55grain FMJ BT Case: Once (a couple might have been twice) fired 5.7x28mm brass Primer: Winchester Small Rifle Powder: Ramshot TrueBlue 5.0grains Case Length: 1.228in + or - .002in OAL: 1.580in + or - .003in I load every single round by hand using a Lee hand press, RCBS 5-0-5 Scale, RCBS calipers, RCBS seating die, etc... Each round is placed in front of me with plenty of lighting while I am measuring powder, then after all powder is measured and placed in the cases I inspect the case for powder, as even 1.0grains more or less is quite easy to see, then placed in the hand press, topped off with a bullet, and then the bullet is seated. If the powder was double charged it would fill up into the base of the case's neck. Like I said, cases are inspected for overcharges. Back to the accident. I had fired 66 rounds all reloads of various bullets (Hornady 40grain VMAX, pulled 28grain HP from SS195LF, Hornady 55grain FMJ). My 2nd 20round magazine I fired 5 rounds of 40VMAX I had some failure-to-eject (these were loaded with HS-6, I've had problems with that powder causing FTE), then tossed the magazine so I could pull those bullets and reload them with Ramshot TrueBlue. After that I fired 20 rounds of the 28grain bullets, all of which functioned flawlessly with Ramshot TrueBlue powder. The next magazine of 20 rounds was the 55grain FMJ with the load data above. The first magazine fired flawlessly, I even noted in my reloading book that it I might want to try loading to 5.1grains and see how they functioned. The 2nd magazine is when I ran into the malfunction, the first round fired like the previous 20, the it happened. On the 2nd round I realigned my sights, slowly pulled the trigger, and all hell broke loose. I saw bits and pieces of the top of the slide cover blow. My first reaction was, "Oh crap what just happened." My second reaction was, how are my hands, I released my grip with my left hand and blood was trailing down my palm dripping off my hand. I could see 2 sources of the blood flow, one on my thumb and the other the web of my hand. I tossed down my FiveseveN into the grass in front of me and inspected my right hand. My right hand faired much better than my left, a small spot on the tip of my thumb. I immediately pulled my cellphone out of my pocket and called my wife who had just arrived at my father's residence where I was at, I was ~1/2mi from the house. I told her to tell my dad to get out here, my gun just exploded, and not 2 seconds later I heard the 4wheeler start up and hightail it down the driveway. I started walking to the gravel road to meet him and he quickly arrived and assessed my injuries. We went back to the house, cleaned my hand up a bit, bandaged it up, and went to the hospital ~40minutes away with my wife and mother-in-law. Spent about 2 hours at the hospital getting 1 stitch in the web of my hand and 2 xrays. The xrays revealed a chunk of brass in the middle of my hand between my index and middle finger, and two very small peices between my index finger knuckle and the web of my hand. I have gone to a surgeon to see about getting the large piece of brass removed from my hand but he cautioned against it as it would cause more damage taking it out than leaving it in, as it is embedded into the muscle in my hand a probably isn't going to go anywhere so there isn't any worry about it moving around and slicing tendons and such. I initially lost feeling in over 50% of my index finger and my thumb felt like it had been hit by a hammer and had numbness for about a week. I have gained some feeling back in my finger and am at ~35% numbness now. My FN FiveseveN IOM is a complete loss, the magazine is still inside the grip, the remaining 18 rounds were forced out of the bottom of the magazine. Here are some pictures of my hand and the progression of healing: After removing bandages the next morning: After looking over my new $1000 paper weight I've concluded that my FiveseveN fired out-of-battery. There is 0 damage to the chamber and barrel that I can see. From what I can figure the round fired (out-of-battery) and the case was able to hold the pressure enough to allow the bullet to clear the barrel and the case wall gave way in the rear because it wasn't being supported by the chamber. The expanding case broke off at the neck while being extracted and as you can see from the photos above the whole back end of the case gave way. One chunk of brass is embedded into the right side of the grip, I almost had a matching chunk of brass in my right hand, but the grip stopped it. After talking with a few friends and showing them my new paper weight they came to the same conclusion. Ryan from Elite Ammunition (www.eliteammunition.com, Custom 5.7x28mm Ammunition, both reloaded and virgin brass loads) also concluded that the cause was from it firing out-of-battery. He also stated that he has observed that with the FiveseveN the hammer will drop at up to 1/4inch out-of-battery. That my friends is where the problem lies. It doesn't matter what load is used in the pistol, reload or factory, it is an inherent design defect that allows the FiveseveN to fire out of battery by up to 1/4"! Try this for me... if you have a FN FiveseveN clear the weapon, clear it again, insert an empty magazine, make sure the gun is empty, move the slide to the rear and slowly creep it foward and see how far out-of-battery it can be when the hammer drops, I imagine you will see anywhere from 1/8-1/4".

True dat, Nizzle!

This may have come up before, but, what kind of work do you do? Do you have a full time job?

You're welcome, and no, I didn't write that. My father had the very same questions, and I've had the link saved to my favorites.

Without a doubt, it must have come from one of those devil-ish gunshows. It's the only loophole in the system which would allow him access.

Here's a site dedicated to it. There asre a couple decent videos. http://www.riflemansrifle.com/default.htm

The Rifleman's Rifle The concept of The Rifleman Television show revolves around the unique weapon wielded by the title character Lucas McCain, and his proficiency with it. Customized by James S. Stembridge, Lucas McCain’s modified 1892 Winchester SRC in .44-.40 caliber features a large rounded ring that allowed him to cock it by twirling the rifle 360 degrees. While presumably, this wouldn’t be any faster than the conventional cocking method, the technique itself was probably a good psychological weapon, as the move may be likened to a samurai brandishing his sword with lightning speed. This may startle (or puzzle) an adversary and cause him to drop his guard momentarily. The Rifleman’s rifle appeared in basically two different style levers. The style changed during the series to a more flattened lever instead of the large circular loop. This modified lever enabled Lucas McCain to lever the rifle in two unique fashions. He could spin dramatically in front of him and swing it by his side as seen often in the show. The 92 Carbine used on the show was a top eject rifle, meaning the top is completely open when the lever is cocked forward and the empty shells are ejected straight up in the air when the lever is pulled towards you. When Chuck Connors spun the rifle by his side or up in front of him, the rifle cartridges would have fallen to the ground when he had it upside down. So they had a rifle with a special plunger built inside that would hold a bullet in place for this trick. The ammunition used in the show was custom made 5 in 1 movie blanks. These blanks were made in ¼ loads, ½ loads, and full load volume charges. Another feature of the rifle was a screw pin attached to the large loop lever which was positioned so as to trip the trigger when the ring was slammed home, thus allowing Lucas to rapid-fire the rifle, similarly to a semi-automatic pistol. The trigger trip screw pin was also used in two configurations. Sometimes Chuck had the screw head turned inside close to the trigger. Most of the times he had it on the outside of the trigger guard with a lock nut on the outside to further secure its position. In some of the episodes the screw was taken out completely when rapid fire action was not needed. When properly adjusted, this screw “squeezed†the trigger when the lever was fully closed. I may also add that it is important that the breech bolt on the rifle is fully closed at the precise time that the pin screw trips the trigger. The timing of the rifle action being in sync with the trigger trip is very critical to perform the rapid-firing of a Rifleman’s rifle. In other words the set screw installed through the trigger guard part of the lever must be installed and be adjusted to strike the trip of the trigger at exactly the right time-provided of course, that the action is adjusted properly to work under this kind of triggering. So configured, the lever action carbine functioned as a “slip hammer†gun, as there was no need to squeeze the trigger to fire the shot. Accordingly, Chuck Connors, as Lucas McCain could rapid fire the modified Winchester 92 S.R.C. as fast as he was able to manipulate the big loop lever. The athletic Chuck Connors practiced until he was a master at rapid-fire with either hand with his unique fast firing Rifleman’s rifle. Of course Chuck could also back the screw a few turns out of the trigger guard and the special rifle functioned normally. If one attempts to operate a lever action rifle at maximum speed without this rapid-fire modification, there’s a danger of serious injury should the trigger finger get in the way of the tip of the trigger as the lever is slammed shut. According to gun coach Rod Redwing, Chuck Connors practiced until he could rapid-fire his Rifleman’s rifle without the device. Since Chuck Connors was truly ambidextrous he handled the rifle left handed and right handed with the same ease. I custom build as well as use them and it takes practice to handle it with the look of ease of Lucas McCain. A beginner would have to be careful spin cocking the rifle because you can hit yourself in the face or chest as you are learning the Rifleman's tricks. It's just pure fun to me. I call it rifle therapy.

Yea, I know it was my mistake that caused all this, but having a similar type of job, I would have (and do) taken the few seconds to solve the issue. The company and I are both very customer service oriented, and I made the mistake of thinking that everyone was the same. I've used UPS several times, and this was the first bad experience I've had with them. In most cases it wouldn't have been such a big deal, but being fresh flowers for Mother's Day, I was really mad. Again, it was ultimately my mistake, so I can't be too upset with UPS.

We can ban insurance and oil companies at the same time? I'm in for some real savings.

I know this is an old thread, but I was wondering if anyone had any further information.

Yes! That's what he implied towards the beginning of the video.

I think I would have checked the chamber long before I decided to ram the muzzle end into my "package".

I'm sure he has a legitimate reason for owning a fully auto AK. I feel much safer.

No "Girly Girls" arsenal is complete without one of these!

First of all, I'm having a hard time determining weather I'm more p!$$ed at myself, or UPS. Boy! If I could have reached through the phone. I ordered Mother's Day flowers from ProFlowers.com, and they were supposed to be delivered today. After realizing my Mother had not yet received the flowers, which were being shipped via UPS, I thought it would be a good idea to check the tracking number. While checking the number, I noticed a few notes on the account. Both stated that a correct street number was needed. Of course, I then realized my dumb a$$ mixed up 2 numbers of shipping address. I could ring my own neck about now. After noticing my error, I got UPS on the phone. This is when my blood began to boil. I explained the situation to the "not so helpful" guy on the other end, but he couldn't accomplish much, other than being a complete smart a$$. I questioned the fact that they had requested 2 phone numbers (mine and my mothers) when filling out the UPS shipping information, yet, when they attempted to deliver the flowers (two times), no one bothered calling either one of the phone numbers listed. According to the jerk at UPS, "It's not their job". OK, so maybe it's not in their job description to pick up the phone to fix my mistake, but what about customer service? Would it have been too much to ask, for a simple 5 second phone call? Hell, the driver was on the very street my parents live on. The UPS guy on the phone said, "The drivers don't have phones to make those type of calls". But what about after he brought the flowers back to the UPS terminal? To me, it would have been smarter if they had picked up the phone, rather than sending the flowers out for a second trip, all while not having the correct address. Now the 2 dozen flowers and vase will sit in the UPS terminal, and die. Now for the Kudo's! I could not be happier with ProFlowers. I called them with the story of my mistake, and the lady couldn't have been sweeter. Of course it's too late for the flowers to make it in time for Mother's Day, but proFlowers is going to re-ship the 2 dozen flowers and vase, and no extra cost. That's right! They're not going to charge me a second time. It will be Tuesday before my Mother gets her flowers, but what can I expect. This was the first time using ProFlowers, but I can promise you one thing, it won't be my last.

:D

For that price, I'll take 3 XD's.

I'm anxiously awaiting the green flag.

It's all a matter of opinion, and you'll soon get plenty of them in this thread.

What model is the shotgun? If it's the M4, it's a good trade.

Yea, the shop I talked to said the same thing. The .40SW is the only one I'd be interested in. Well, unless they come out with a 10mm.

A co-worker of mine uses one to shoot rodents in/around his barn. He loves it for that task, but I'm not sure about anything else.

Still no word of local shops having any on hand? Or prices?