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I agree.

Sure, if its a gun rights issue lets make it a gun rights issue. Let us not ignore that Zimmerman is a bad, bad person who happened to be in a situation where he was being railroaded in an extra-judicial manner. There are many issues there but they are all separate. Jesse Jackson being a lunatic race baiter doesn't mean Zimmerman is a good guy. Trayvon smoking weed and talking about creepy crackers doesn't make Zimmerman a hero. That's the problem with this story. Everyone is letting their "causes" interfere with their judgement and basic common sense.

He's had 4 different women accuse him of assault. I see a trend. Add to that an officer accusing him of assault and a dead teenager, I'm starting to get a little suspicious. I dunno, I'm no Sherlock, but I know how to add.

Actually it supports my sentiments exactly. I believe Zimmerman committed manslaughter, yet I acknowledge that he deserves a fair trial and that he got one. I acknowledge that there wasn't enough evidence to charge him let alone convict him. If I go out and punch a woman in the face then hold her at gunpoint, yet do not get convicted of a crime, it doesn't mean it didnt happen and it doesn't mean that I didn't do it. To believe otherwise is to also believe that OJ didn't murder those two people. Don't confuse my opinions on someone's guilt with my belief in a system of justice. And perhaps when I have some free time I'll look though the old threads and post quotes, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. If i did it would only piss off those people I'm quoting. I'm not lying to you. The posts are there. Not to mention all the stuff littering the internets on pro-gun websites. People said the very things I mentioned. Wasn't there a fund made to buy him a new gun? Weren't there folks here donating to Zimmerman's defense?

I think you need to consider the context of his statement. I wasn't as if his report to the police is "I felt something touch me so I pulled my gun and fired." Obviously something was going on since the thug was attempting to tase him. I'm gonna go ahead and say there were other indicators of a violent attack occurring. There have been plenty of justified shoots where the shooter killed an attacker that was unarmed and had not yet assaulted them. Intent is everything. If you're just addressing a sound byte and saying that particular sound byte wouldn't stand up in court, then I would say you're correct. Obviously there is more going on here.

Sounds good enough to me. I mean, it's safe to assume it wasn't a bologna sandwich. Intent is everything.

There are so many threads on here regarding the subject and so many posts with people touting him as a hero for gun rights, saying they would buy him a new gun or want him as a neighbor. I'm not combing through all that old nonsense to prove my point; it just exists. Add to that many of the vocal in th gun owning community posting blogs and stories on the subject painting Zmmerman and his actions is a positive and rose-colored light. This is what I'm talking about when I say "hitching one's wagon" to him. Look at this man's history. Would any of us support a person with such a history? Support his right to a fair trial, sure, but the man himself? Hell no. It defies logic. The only reason I think so many jumped to his cause is because they saw this as a gun rights issue because that's where the media was going with it. In the end, I still believe that this was a man who was looking for trouble and found it. Perhaps Trayvon was doing the same, but I don't see how anyone would or could stand in Zmmerman's corner when it is so damn obvious the person he is.

There is a big difference between folks who believe he is innocent and folks who want to believe he is innocent. Even I, who hold the opinion he went looking for trouble, believe that there was not enough evidence in the end for a conviction, or even a charge for that matter. However, folks here and elsewhere in the gun owning community have professed their belief that Zimmerman is a great guy they would support on a personal level. He is a sociopath. Anyone with common sense can see that. The only way to believe otherwise is to believe that all these people unrelated to one another just have it out for him... like the woman who accused him of years of sexual abuse, or the girlfriend that accused him of physical abuse, or the 17 year old who he shot, or the cop that accused him of drunken assault, or the wife who accused him of abuse or the recent girlfriend who accused him of physical abuse and him holding her at gunpoint. It adds up and paints a picture that most sane people can see clearly.

Hey now, some of us are on vacation so happy hour already started. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm gonna get back to my race war preparedness research. Let me know if any of them gays show up.

Yuuup. Folks still don't get that. Trayvon was a thug therefore Zimmerman is a saint. The world is and has always been against him, and all those run-ins with the law were irrelevant.

I still don't see how the media has any bearing on what happened that night. Their actions don't make Zimmerman guilty or innocent. They are nothing more than a sideshow to this whole thing, and I think folks on the correct side of gun rights did themselves a disservice by turning him into a poster boy for justified use of force. He is a sociopath. All the Jesse Jacksons in the world won't change that.

Just so we're keeping tally, independent of the Trayvon thing he has been arrested for violent behavior three times now. He has been accused of rape and abuse by 4 different women. He has been accused by a police officer of drunken assault. Now tack onto that he shot an unarmed teenager. I'll agree that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, but for the folks that hitched their wagon to Zimmerman's cause simply because Trayvon was "thuggish" absolutely baffles me.

Just like all those run-ins with the law he had before Trayvon. This poor guy must just have bad luck. After all, he was never "convicted" of the stuff he was originally charged with prior to the shooting, so that must mean he is clean. He just has bad luck and the world is against him. He never assaulted that cop when he was drunk. The restraining order filed against him years before Trayvon was bogus. The reports from his ex-wife and recent girlfriend are bogus. And those claims of rape by a female family member were just made up. He just has real bad luck. The world is against him. Poor Zimmerman. I wish the media would just leave him alone, this hero of the gun owning community that so many would love to buy a new gun for and have as a neighbor.

If you don't feel like reading the next few pages of nonsense, I'd say the cliff notes are that this guy will attempt to justify his actions with some great amount of mental gymnastics and his proof of being right will be that he wasn't convicted of anything. He'll admit to no wrongdoing and make it seem as if the whole world is against him, then debunk the naysayers by saying "you don't know because you weren't there."

So there was a legitimate reason to pull a weapon on a bunch of unarmed females? Get f***ed moron.

Pacific rim sucked. Anyone catch the part in there where they explain that this was all caused by global warming? Yep, they snuck that in.

I got the opportunity to fire a full cylinder of .500 magnum about a year ago. I didn't feel so bad about shooting the ammo he offered me since he was shooting on my family's range and would always "clean" all the brass for us, which he reloaded for about every caliber. His had either a compensator or was ported; can't remember. It sent all the recoil straight back like a rifle into a shoulder. The recoil was pretty violent, but I can imagine that one wouldn't be prepared for a barrel up recoil with that. Hell, having not seen those videos before I guess it could have easily been me turning my head into a canoe if the barrel wasnt compensated for. So while it being dangerous for just about anyone to shoot I'd say handing it to a little girl and having her fire it just to see her reaction is a bad move, especially if she ends up shooting herself in the face.

Same here until I saw the vid of the little lady almost making her head into a canoe with a .500.

Tonight is a Svedka martini night.

Looks like Carlsberg and my beloved Tuborg. What a bunch of stupid monkeys. It's just a beverage.

Yeah, it's not a great analogy but it kinda gets the point across regarding the government's stance once they make such a law. The people they were going after for illegal downloading weren't all habitual pirates. Some of them were middle school aged kids who downloaded a few songs and were hit with hundreds of thousands in fines. I think the gov will do something similar after they pass some kinda legislation that makes it illegal to even possess the file used to make these. I dunno, it seems they are able to pick up steam when they manufacture a problem and sell it to stupid Americans.

This is true, but with the threat of Feds imprisoning your teenager and slapping you with a half million in fines. I have a feeling if this is outlawed it will be severely enforced despite not being linked to any actual crime.

I remember a similar thing being said back when I had Napster.

Good. Obviously the hundred or so people killed by AR-15s each year will increase 10,000% once all those urban gangs start firing up their 3D printers. I heard al Qaeda was finally gonna be able to carry out conventional attacks on our soil since getting a few of the hundreds of millions of firearms already in circulation here in the states were so impossible to acquire.

Are you talking about soft armor or ceramic plates. Body armor is different than a soft vest that cops wear. Ceramic plates don't cause bullets to bounce off. Heck, only steel plates would possibly do that, but the bullets aren't bouncing. They are breaking apart, sending schrapnel from the jacketing and bullet fragments flying.