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[quote name="Dustbuster" post="1124001" timestamp="1394716075"]Fwiw Something the media has not posted but was made known in proc news is that that airline has not posted a profit since 2010 and is currently 351 million dollars in the hole. I've got a friend whose been vacationing in china he said the Chinese are unusually " really pissed" about this in a bad way, Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.[/quote] Well they sure as hell won't be turning any profit in the future. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Mossy 500A, 7+1.  First two are 00Buck, then 3 inch slug, two more 00Buck, another slug and the rest buckshot.  Figured if I took more than a couple shots it would be at something I'd really be aiming at.

  Admittedly, Snopes is a liberal biased site, which isn't normally a problem since they still tend to stick to the facts, as in this case.  Problem is, at the bottom they reference the incident as being a local event, unlike current data that suggests anthropogenic global warming.  Once again, liberal bias thrown in there.  How the blue #### could they know this was only localized if they had no way to gather widespread data like they can today?  Obviously there was an unprecendented warming event in the region; what's to say that wasn't going on throughout the arctic?  It would be difficult to tell since there weren't too many folks hanging around there back then, and there wasn't the amount of data collection points like they have now.  Crap, they had to send someone there to a specific area just to get the readings they got.  What if they had sent that dude to a thousand different spots around the arctic?  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it probably wasn't localized, and the fact that Snopes would toss that in there to suggest that there is evidence that it was makes the site itself unreliable.  They could have just said nothing at all, or said "it is unknown if the phenomenon was localized."    That's the reason why stories like this are used to debunk the relatively short term data they have to establish long term climate trends.  Just rediculous.  I'll believe that man-made global warming is real as soon as there are people who aren't trying to lie to me and misrepresent data in order to get me to believe it.  The fact that they have to do that tells me everything I need to know.  Now, I'm gonna go out and drive a tank that gets 1 mile to the gallon, then wipe my butt with a spotted owl.  Why?  Because hippies are full of ####!

[quote name="Patton" post="1123946" timestamp="1394686838"]All I can say is that I am glad we pay a higher sales tax and no income tax, it makes the welfare, drug dealers, under the table workers pay part of their share. I would pay a higher sales tax to do away with Federal Income Tax.[/quote] Ding ding! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I like how when there is a void of information, humans feel the need to fill that void with imaginations that have run wild on crack. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

  It's not.  If I was the standing Sheriff I would probably do the same thing.  Advertise why I'm a freedom loving gun toter to other freedom loving gun toters.  I bet most of the folks who got that letter are going to be voting to keep him in office.

Believe me, if TN decided to come up with a state income tax I'd be on the first thing smoking back to my home state where there is no income tax and sales tax is at 7%.

  Understood.  If this was a terrorist gig we obviously know that international response is not a concern... in fact, it would be part of the plan.  It would just seem difficult to recruit two pilots unless they were also brainwashed ideologues who were prepared to give up everything, because they would have to know they'd be hunted for the rest of their lives and would likely be caught.   The skeptic that I am, I recognize that the more moving pieces in a plan leaves more room for failure, and a requirement that the plan must be executed in such a manner that there is zero room for any failure point at any of those moving pieces makes it tough to swallow unless we're talking movie plots here.  As much as we give the 9/11 hijackers credit for having a grand plan that was seamlessly executed, the plan itself was fairly simple, and they did their share of screwups along the way that they only were successful because of our bureaucracy in the intel world.   So, that would be the reason for me to be skeptical that they were able to disappear an aircraft that requires a 1 1/2 mile landing strip and has 230 passengers that were all able to be relieved of any and all cell phones or satellite communications before being able to get a message out.  It would lead me to think that there is a 99.99% chance that this plane is in a million pieces either due to terrorist act, negligence or catastrophic failure of some kind.

[quote name="teecro" post="1123458" timestamp="1394623547"]One of things I find most humorous here is the comment about already being taxed to death.... LOL And this is coming from a state where you pay no state income tax.... Now mind you I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, and one of the reasons that we are moving to TN in the next couple of months is the fact that y'all have no state income tax; and I'll admit that while I enjoy ordering from the interent for obvious reasons I do give my local shops at lot of patronage as I know that there is a lot more than "bottom line cheapest out the door price" to consider here....[/quote] We are being taxed to death. Just because TN hasn't jumped on the commie train and instated an unrepealable income tax, like so many other states, doesn't mean that the crushing sales tax isn't significant. We pay the gov on 10 percent of everything we buy. This is on top of all the hidden taxes we never see, all the taxes we do see and the super crushing federal income tax. Yes, we are taxed to death. Some states are just a lot worse than ours. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="TerryW" post="1123464" timestamp="1394624323"]I finally watched the news yesterday. This story is crazy. Opinion Alert: I think the plane is fine and going to be used for something nefarious and the pilots were in on it. The way the news is reporting is like those two pilots fly together all the time.? Scary scary scary. I hope they find the plane and passengers safe.[/quote] Do you really think that's possible, or even probable considering the response of countries who had citizens aboard? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The easy way to explain it would be RE factor. Here's some wiki on it. Anfo ain't to far off from TNT. This page has the chart in meters/second, whereas all the charts I've seen we're in ft/sec. You can really see the difference between the detonation velocities when measured in ft/sec. PETN is what is used in detonation cord, which has a much higher RE factor than C4, which is why it is used in breaching charges often, because it blows so quickly that it cuts rather than pushes. Consider that "faster"doesn't equate to "better" all the time; it is only relative for what you're using the bomb for. On 9/11 the explosion you saw was just jet fuel; with an RE factor less than half of that of anfo it still made a big boom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_effectiveness_factor Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="TankerHC" post="1123073" timestamp="1394548077"] Seems to me that would actually be another reason to look at them harder, plus the US Military and US Government has been putting a major crimp in the terrorists budget. [/quote] Yeah, I heard that IRGC were no longer authorized to book business class for official travel. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="Peace" post="1123055" timestamp="1394544739"]Missing airliner = Russian distraction?[/quote] We're Americans. Kim Karshittian getting pregnant would be a distraction from Russian aggression for the vast majority of your fellow Americans. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

He's got lots of Js in his signature.

[quote name="TerryW" post="1122815" timestamp="1394482448"]TMF, I can't argue, you're right and I am on your side. How an aircraft is equipt isn't always decided based on what is the "latest greatest", it is decided by people that look for .0001 pennies in the cost and what will it return in whole dollars. I can't speak for other airlines but my transponder operation hasn't changed one bit since 9/11. I have friends at just about all the other carriers and don't know if the others procedures have changed but I doubt it. We turn the transponder on and off based on the phase of flight. It is used on the ground during taxi because most airports have ground based radar and they track us at all times during taxi, especially during low visibility conditions. We don't leave the transponder on at the gate as it has a very high output and is more damaging to humans than the aircraft's airborne radar. It has the several modes one of which is STBY. The way our transponders work is we have a discreet code assigned to our flight by Air Traffic Control. Their ground based radar sweeps the sky(queries) and our transponder replies with our assigned code and our altitude in order to differentiate us from others. I am not aware of a transponder that communicates globally ie in non radar environment. I think what would be used to give position would be a separate radio device. [/quote] I understand. The concept just seems redonkulous to me and I can't wrap my head around the idea that aircraft wouldn't have something that is standard in fleet ground vehicles. On the transponder thing, I must be wrong, but I remember watching a show on the 9/11 commission and what came out of it was something to the effect that transponders couldn't be disabled by the pilots, since that's what the hijackers did with some of those flights. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="vontar" post="1122880" timestamp="1394493608"]I believe Bomb grade material is going to have a greater effect then just TNT/fertilizer/diesel mix. [/quote] As far as I know, there are many countries who still use TNT in their artillery, so I guess it wouldn't be abnormal if they had it in their aerial bombs. I don't know what we have in ours; probably comp B? Thing is, there isn't "bomb grade material" per se. It depends on what type of bomb you're making and what you're using it for. You can't use C4 to blast craters and move earth. It blows too quick. That's why they use something that explodes slowly, like ammonium nitrate. But you wouldn't use ammonium nitrate to blow a hole in a wall. For that you'd use something that blows quick, like C4. If you used ammonium nitrate it would knock the whole wall down, and probably collapse the room you're in. So it's not as if the different type of explosive material will have a greater "effect" than another, it is a matter of what effect you're looking for. Having seen what 10,000 lbs of anfo will do, I'll tell you that the effect is beyond catastrophic. I've also seen what 50 lbs of anfo will do to a concrete structure versus about 25 lbs of C4. The anfo knocked that sucker down no problem. C4 did not. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="Lester Weevils" post="1122766" timestamp="1394475266"]Everybody here probably knows more about strip mines than me, but saw a documentary about strip mining. They were using fertilizer and diesel fuel. They would drill a hundreds of yards dimension grid of post holes in the rock, use a big wheeled special machine to fill each hole with fertilizer/diesel mix, wire em all up, and boom down comes a whole bunch of landscape. And then next day start digging another grid of postholes. Heavy industry is purt impressive.[/quote] The amount of anfo slurry they're hauling around for those shots make 1400 lbs of TNT look like an M80. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="RobertNashville" post="1122753" timestamp="1394473825"]Let me ask you a question (and anyone else here who might want to answer), that I've posed to several people on other various sites... We have "unconstitutional" firearm relates laws right here in Tennessee yet they get enforced all the time; not the least of which is that carrying a loaded weapon on one's person without a HCP is a crime. So...why does it make sense for anyone here (on this forum) who don't live in CT to believe that LEOs in CT shouldn't enforce their "unconstitutional" gun laws but we don't demand the exact same of LEOs in TN? Shouldn't we all refuse to comply...march on Legislative Plaza?[/quote] Two posts in one day I agree with. The world may spin off its axis today. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="tnguy" post="1122762" timestamp="1394474664"]A transponder is just a small device that transmits a coded signal. It has very limited range. and its location is determined by the ground equipment.[/quote] Copy. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

And let me ask, how does a transponder work then? As I understand, that is something that could be turned on/off by the pilot but has been changed to make it automatic after what happened on 9/11. Is the transponder not a global device which communicates position? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="TerryW" post="1122743" timestamp="1394472533"]There is nothing free, everything has a price. Buying putting the technology in the 600+ airliners my company owns costs downtime or it has a weight that costs me in payload/gas to carry it around every day. My company is going to iPads for our flight manuals. We will pull the 10 manuals out of the airplane and those weigh about 50 pounds but carrying 50 pounds around on 600 airplanes on 4500 hundred flights a day will save my company millions in gas annually.[/quote] A device that would give you the exact location of all their aircraft in the entire fleet would weigh less than 2 pounds and cost less than $500 annually. Yes, I agree that this is a rare enough event that it wouldn't seem like such a concern, but when it happens it is catastrophic, and for an airline to argue about industry standards when this is something that remote backpackers normally hump is just silly. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="peejman" post="1122711" timestamp="1394469302"]Newer planes like the 777 also have a systems where the airplane sends satellite transmission of general data about the airplane (condition of the engines, etc.) I'm told that this system wasn't working and they don't know whether it was intentionally disabled or not yet. If satellite tracking and such were the norm, it wouldn't have taken 5 days to find the initial wreckage and another 2 years to find the black boxes from Air France 447. That one went down 20 minutes after it left radar coverage. [/quote] Well, then there are some serious issues with these airlines. There are 4-seater bush aircraft that have this technology and it costs nothing. There is no reason it couldn't be on an airplane that costs tens of millions of dollars. If they are using satcom to communicate there is no reason they couldn't use a device that regularly takes a GPS sample and transmits it. It uses less data to send coordinates with a date time stamp than it would to say "hello" over satcom, so this is why I don't believe it is possible that very smart people responsible for billions of dollars of aircraft and the lives of their passengers haven't figured this out. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="TankerHC" post="1122722" timestamp="1394470318"]Im guessing you have never flown Tower Air from a military runway? :D[/quote] I can tell you that every military aircraft has this capability, along with every new armored vehicle overseas and most other militate vehicles. The stuff they have costs far more than the cheap commercial stuff available to airliners. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="TerryW" post="1122703" timestamp="1394468702"] I am a 26 year commercial pilot with many many many thousands of hours in the left seat. I haven't flown international in years but I'm 99% sure even off our coasts there is zero GPS type "tracking" that all tracking/ positioning is plotted by pilot induced position reports over the Sat Com. Now, most other countries outside of the US and Europe, they don't have jack for modern ground technology when it comes to radios, radar or radar coverage. I just ask a buddy of mine that flies captain on a 767 for Continental and he hasn't got back to me but I'd bet my paycheck US carriers don't use this technology and I guarantee third world countries don't have tracking. [/quote] They do. I personally know of it. And yes, there are existing infrastructures to provide global coverage. Iridium architecture is one, but there are more. This isn't a measure for pilots to self-track, it is a measure to be tracked from the ground with regular updates. I mean, seriously, there are fleet vehicles with cargo the fraction of the cost of economy cabin tickets that use this technology. Global tracking means just that. It has nothing to do with where the coastlines are, it only has to do with where the satellites are and the infrastructure being used. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="Lumber_Jack" post="1122701" timestamp="1394468583"]I agree its doable for sure. But how many times have incidents happened and the world asks "why didn't you have....." "I have it on my phone and you cant get it on a......." fill in the blanks accordingly. [/quote] Yeah, I know. It just seems hard to believe when there are third world countries that have that capability installed into a crappy Cessna bush plane. Perhaps why I only fly domestic carriers when I fly internationally regardless of cost. I realize their operated by people who have zero standards for safety. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk