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[quote name="Erik88" post="1138294" timestamp="1397441145"]I average $276/month and I'd say my fiance spends around that much. I pack my lunch everyday at work and we don't eat out very often. I am blown away at how little some of you spend. Either you are wrong, or I'm shopping at the wrong stores.[/quote] If you ever have kids, it will suddenly make sense. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1138079" timestamp="1397412518"] As long as we are discussing “open carry” it’s not a rights issue anymore and the state can put whatever training requirements they want on it.[/quote] Make no mistake, EVERY law which restricts otherwise moral and ethical behavior which does not violate another person's God given rights absolutely is a "rights issue". Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="TrickyNicky" post="1138058" timestamp="1397405846"]I don't know. I don't hear about gangsters and thugs having too many ADs and they carry all the time, often with poor, incorrect fitting or no holste at all. If they can do it, I'm willing to bet most anyone with the desire and ability to carry a gun openly will be fine, and again it would seem statistics would back this up as we're not talking about anything new. Hope it all goes through.[/quote] Yeah, we can anecdotally trade stories about untrained carriers having NDs and such, but we could also tell stories of police officers and highly trained military personnel having NDs. I have some stories. Many folks here have some too. We chalk those stories up to stupid people existing in all walks of life. Stupid people will carry guns too. Funny, the same reasons gun owners take issue with constitutional carry are the same reasons anti-gunners don't want folks to have guns in the first place. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="tnhawk" post="1138050" timestamp="1397403532"]My concern isn't only those who don't understand the laws. I've seen several close calls at the range by shooters who don't understand basic safety rules. A few "accidental discharges" in public are likey to cause problems for responsible gun owners.[/quote] Does that happen in other states which don't require a substandard class? If it doesn't happen there any more than it happens I Tennessee, it isn't a legitimate concern. Freedom can be dangerous sometimes. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="wk05" post="1138032" timestamp="1397398794"] Reading and researching the law yourself will never be replaced by 4 hours of classroom talk. [/quote] Of course it can. I never stepped foot in a HCP class and I apparently know more about the law than the average person who has. It ain't hard. You don't have to be a lawyer to figure out what the law says you can and can't do in regard to carrying a handgun. It took me less than an hour to read and print out the laws on handgun carry. There are plenty of states which have constitutional carry or issue permits to folks without having to sit through legal guidance as a prerequisite. I challenge anyone here to present compelling evidence that those states boast more negligent carriers than Tennessee. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

  Yeah, I get all that.  What I'm saying, what would change if we just had constitutional carry, in your opinion?  I never took the class so I have no idea what I missed.    I did research the laws, so I would know where I wasn't allowed to carry.  If folks don't have to sit through classes on what the laws are and they don't bother to research the laws, that is their problem.  Ignorance of the law isn't a defense.  So why not just let anyone who is legally allowed to own a firearm carry a pistol?  No permit.

  So then, in your opinion, if the requirements now are below sufficient to "qualify" someone to carry a handgun, what would change by getting rid of the permit process altogether and have consitutional carry?

Cajun food is one of them things that can be really really good, or really really bad. I haven't had a whole lotta in between. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="Chucktshoes" post="1137703" timestamp="1397320028"]"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." Frederíc Bastiat[/quote] Funny you mention that, I used to run a red turn light for several years, every day on principle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="luvmyberetta" post="1137685" timestamp="1397318161"]I'm confused. Why would OC be your only option? Is there a reason you can't get a HCP at the moment? (Not trying to cause an arguement. I'm actually just curious.)[/quote] Age? I owned a pistol when I was 18 in an apt complex in the ghhheeeetttoo. Wasn't legally allowed to leave my apartment with it. I did. I was breaking the law each time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="willis68" post="1136541" timestamp="1397101428"]Ah Screw concealing it, I just realized I will be allowed to legally carry this in July [/quote] Hehe, mines bigger. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="teecro" post="1137609" timestamp="1397307021"]Still not holding water here.... MI signs carry force of law and this means ANY sign even one scribbled in crayon...[/quote] Did not know that. Guess I broke some laws up there. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="teecro" post="1137605" timestamp="1397305724"]To be honest I see far more postings here in this TN based forum about posted business than I do in the EXTREMELY large and active MI based forum and again I so rarely see an actual posted sign that I've yet to have it affect my lifestyle...[/quote] Probably because here those signs carry the force of the law. I suppose if they didnt, less businesses would bother posting and most HCPers wouldn't care about the ones that did. Just about every bank in my town is posted. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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[quote name="mikegideon" post="1137218" timestamp="1397228017"]You shot at some Hadjis. Same damn thing :)[/quote] Ha, well I wouldn't do them the honor of calling them Hadjis. I doubt any of them made the trip to Mecca to earn that status. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="LagerHead" post="1137182" timestamp="1397222862"]Excellent point. Most of the folks who are against OC act like they have 20 years under their belt as a Space Shuttle door gunner and that is the minimum required by the state to get a permit. In fact, the training requirements by the state require about an hour of range time, and about 7 hours or watching videos, trying not to fall asleep while an instructor explains, poorly, the difference between single and double action, and telling lies. Your permit is in no way a representation of your competence with firearms. It means that for one hour you were able to handle it without killing yourself or the guy next to you and were able to hit a rather large target that is not moving and placed as far as 15 whole yards from you. Congratulations, Jack Bauer, you're a trained killer now.[/quote] Makes me wonder what folks think about TN HCP holders who never went through any class at all. I have my permit. Never sat through any of that nonsense. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I forgot; the basic training company I was in was the same one Timothy McVeigh was in years prior.

[quote name="nightrunner" post="1136936" timestamp="1397176980"]I would probably buy one of everything they make if they would add a manual safety to allow cocked and locked carry.[/quote] They have a 226 they make which can be carried cocked and on safe, same as a 1911. It is the smoothest pistol I've ever shot. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="hipower" post="1137064" timestamp="1397187063"] [i]My strange wife likes that weird sandy concoction called grits though. [/i][/quote] You gotta let them cook awhile to have them soften up. Instant grits don't cut it for me. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

My wife hates grits though. Grandma would make shrimp and grits at get togethers back home, and my wife couldn't choke it down. I think Yankees have a genetic predisposition against grits. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Grits. Usually take my grits and smother my eggs, potatoes and bacon in it. I used to love cheese grits growing up, but just too rich to enjoy as an adult. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="SWJewellTN" post="1136724" timestamp="1397147296"]I don't remember an evaluation back in 1982. I don't know how it is today. I think all who were in years ago had personal examples of people who clearly used testing substitutes in order to qualify for enlistment standards. We had a guy so dumb that you had to show him what you wanted him to do in order for him to understand what you were telling him to do. His name was Stewart, and I had to show him how to swab a deck in order for him to understand. He graduated boot camp with me. :([/quote] Haha, well, you know, I didn't know what my pecker was for in 1982. However, things ain't so different now. I met some of the smartest people I'll know and the dumbest people I know during my time in the military. It all comes down to numbers and the inability (or unwillingness) to identify folks that shouldn't be there. I've had to recommend folks for separation for things that should have been discovered long before me. I think everyone before me just didnt want to deal with the trouble. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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[quote name="tnguy" post="1136712" timestamp="1397146008"]Anyone who is an officer, [/quote] This makes me want to make jokes about Second Lieutenants... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[quote name="dralarms" post="1136706" timestamp="1397145665"]Yea, that store bought crap aint no good. You think he could get me 12 lbs?[/quote] Some good old Florida honey? Haha, yeah I'll check. I got my parents into this too, and my dad is all into making mead now since he is retired and has nothing to do. I created a monster with that one. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk