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[quote name="wileecoyote" post="1154505" timestamp="1401678916"]There is absolutely NO COMPARISON between professional military or special forces training ("SF Training") and what was shown in the video starting this thread. "SF Training" (when conducted properly) typically involves the use of specialized ranges (and targets) built specifically for the more complicated scenarios, the use of body armor and other advanced protective gear, highly experienced shooters which have first trained progressively (often remaining with the same team) under safer conditions for many months or years, and the repetitive use of less-than-lethal gear prior to running the same drill with live fire training. And even then, many safeguards are taken to minimize risk as much as possible. In fact the most experienced shooters will be more safe rather than throwing caution to the wind, because they have often seen more than a few accidents or safety violations and thus developed a high regard for their own safety as well as their team. No shooter that is both highly trained and professional would ever willingly violate basic safety rules or do anything remotely like what was shown in that video (changing a target in front of a live firing line, or continuing to shoot while someone else advances forward of the firing line). Those who do are the ones that show up in the news, in court, in jail, and/or in the hospital / morgue. Assuming that you and your close friends are "so good" or "bad-ass" that you don't need to follow basic safety rules is a sure recipe for disaster. The vast majority of the general public, including most "experienced" shooters and even quite a few LEO have relatively little advanced training and a very small amount of live-fire practice on an ongoing basis. This is why nearly all professional shooting ranges have such tight restrictions on their use, and they insist on very rigid safety rules. Sure, in an actual life or death scenario you might inadvertently violate a few safety rules in order to protect your life or the lives of others, but if you are trained properly then your training includes how to minimize or avoid unsafe acts even in those situations. And regardless of your training level, you sure as hell don't send your family members or close friends down range to hold bad-guy targets beside and behind themselves so you can practice your live-fire shooting to protect them.[/quote] You're right. As for my own comments I was addressing the statements that there is never an appropriate time to be down range when hot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Jonnin" post="1154267" timestamp="1401638776"]absolutely there ARE laws that prohibit it. I am pretty sure you need all sorts of legal hoops to have ANYTHING beyond trace amounts of seriously radioactive material. The stuff is highly regulated. The equipment to refine it is also highly regulated. You can't even get medical quality radioactive material, let alone bomb grade. messing with it would get you a visit from all sorts of folks "in the name of national security" etc. Thanks W for that "patriot" act! [/quote] The interpretation I got from his post was more "should people be allowed to have it", as a way take the "arms" argument to the extreme. In my opinion, folks should be able to have a nuke. Needs to be regulated due to the volatility. Would cost someone tens of billions to have one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Even post offices in Afghanistan are posted "no firearms" inside. I always got a kick out of that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="bird333" post="1154226" timestamp="1401626929"]So disregarding finances, I can have a nuclear bomb? There are no laws prohibiting it?[/quote] Yes. However, laws governing proper storage and use would be appropriate so as not to endanger other folks. For the same reason I can't store 500 gallons of fuel in my neighborhood. It isn't because I don't have a right to property, it's because it would recklessly endanger folks around me. Unlike a firearm, there are inherent risks with explosives and nuclear material which can be catastrophic. Now, if you own enough land and have enough cash to safely store a nuke, then you should be able to own one. It is perfectly legal (federally) to manufacture and store your own explosives. You just better store them properly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Lowbuster" post="1154200" timestamp="1401605822"]I am sorry but if I see 3 men walk in where my family is eating carrying rifles, I guarantee mine won't be the only hand on a pistol. Who needs to eat at chilis with a long gun? These actions give good people a bad rep.[/quote] Yeah, I will never understand how these people don't get how they are perceived. I would immediately consider them a threat due to context. Also, folks should realize that no one has ever, ever come over to our side after seeing a gun wielding moron. It only strengthens their negative impression of gun owners. The only way to bring folks to our side is to reject people who act like idiots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I also sport a TCP. Great pistol for the price. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Mike.357" post="1154177" timestamp="1401596235"]a guy I used to live with had a puppy that ate a cassette tape. The tape was coming out of both ends, he had to have it put down.[/quote] Dear lord, I'm gonna have nightmares. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="R_Bert" post="1154169" timestamp="1401595760"]We had a cat eat a ribbon off of a Christmas present one time. Guess what happened......[/quote] Haha, I'm hoping that it resulted in a partially popped out ribbon which the cat then spent the better part of the day trying to attack. That is good theater. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My dog pooped earlier and had one long piece of undigested alfalfa grass in her poop. It was at least a foot long. Figured I'd put something interesting in this thread, since there is nothing else here of note. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="R_Bert" post="1154134" timestamp="1401591445"]:bored: Not even as good as the last one.[/quote] No. Yawn. Another tough guy that could never make good on his word. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Lumber_Jack" post="1154049" timestamp="1401579551"]You ....and me[/quote] Oh darn. And here I thought all my years in combat meant I wasn't a coward scared of fighting. If only I had the balls to be a three percenter. Those guys must be wrapped in flag badasses. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="TNIIIer" post="1154014" timestamp="1401572801"]First off, didnt mean for it to come off like I was say that veryone on here (TGO) are fairweather ppl. Just the few that came off like that. [/quote] Like who? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="TNIIIer" post="1154010" timestamp="1401572195"]I'm the problem!??? lol No sir, ppl that think like that are the problem. So if it makes you uncomfortable, they shouldn't do it? Correct?[/quote] Yes, you are the problem. Welcome to TGO, by the way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="mikegideon" post="1153989" timestamp="1401568013"]You weren't fixin' to hand out another ass whippin', eh? :)[/quote] Ha, no. Tapatalk wouldn't edit correctly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Wiljo05" post="1153962" timestamp="1401558153"]Anytime there is an outage I literally have people ask me if I can "just go reset the tower"...smh[/quote] Yah, just unplug it and plug it back in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="TNIIIer" post="1153933" timestamp="1401550499"]IMO If you have a problem with these guys carrying long guns, that makes you no different than the ppl who have a problem with us carrying handguns. Would I carry my AR to Applebee's? No. That's just me. Instead of just the anti-gunners on their ass, now they have "pro-gun" ppl talkin $h*t about em.[/quote] That's like wearing a vulgar shirt and claiming that if you have a problem with it you hate free speech. Folks like you who think in absolutes and people like this who are gun attention whores are the problem. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="TNIIIer" post="1153928" timestamp="1401549701"] Of course their are the fairweather ppl like on here who think everyone in a "group" are conspiracy theorists...[/quote] Not everyone, just the loonies who think they are the only ones who know the "truth". Believe it or not, there are folks who have been around the block who can sniff BS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="BigK" post="1153891" timestamp="1401544747"]Although breaking the 180 rule is nearly unavoidable in tactical/combat maneuvers, friendly-fire accidents happen all the time. Yes, I trust 1 or 2 people that I've shot with enough for me to consider this non-life-threatening. However it's still not safe, especially judging by SOME of the shooting I saw in this video. They aren't taking fire and there is no mission, so why take this kind of risk?[/quote] I would agree that this is a scenario where it is inherently unsafe to be down range during shooting. I was speaking in generalities regarding shooting whilst people being down range. This appears to be the range at LBL. There are no range safeties there, it is just open to the public. People go out there and trash the range with plastic bottles and cardboard boxes (amongst other things) used for targets. They don't pick up after themselves and make the range look like a dump. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="TNIIIer" post="1153892" timestamp="1401544750"]I don't see where you ppl get that we're trying to guilt anyone into joining the III%. [/quote] Because of this post: As to this... You said this: I don't need to beat my chest to prove I'm a patriot and sure don't need to be a member of anything to prove I'm willing to pick up a rifle and fight if a time came for that. Lotta folks here who have picked up a rifle to fight the enemy, fired their weapon in anger and brought back scars and metal in their bodies. Forgive us for not showing your Facebook page the respect it deserves. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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[quote name="maroonandwhite" post="1153878" timestamp="1401543254"]Why take the risk? I have a few folks I believe have really believe are safe gun handlers but anyone can make a mistake. This type of mistake could be deadly though. I just can't justify the risk of doing it intentionally. I can wait till the range goes cold.[/quote] It really depends on what you're doing. Someone blowing off a drum of 12 gauge at random targets is not a scenario where I would be breaking 90 degrees. A canned range with professionals I've worked with for a while is a different story. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="wileecoyote" post="1153772" timestamp="1401504029"]Unsafe, no excuses, no circumstances make it Ok. [/quote] You do realize that most SOF and professional shooters do this. It depends on who you're shooting with. I'd never do that on a range with unknown folks. However, this happens on about every flat range in the shooter job world. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Fitty%TACTICAL" post="1153786" timestamp="1401506863"]They are called "3 to 5 second rushes"[/quote] Or movement to contact. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Lumber_Jack" post="1153792" timestamp="1401507479"]So explain what a 3%er does in a normal week to keep this country free that a normal constitution loving American doesn't.[/quote] Other than guilt you for not being a true patriot? Not sure... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Daniel" post="1153543" timestamp="1401466565"] Never seen it.[/quote] It was on for over 20 years. Wish the old episodes were on Netflix streaming. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk