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[quote name="Oh Shoot" post="1164308" timestamp="1404252730"]I see that type of "irony" as of course only one of the many valid intellectual reasons to reject the heaven/hell nonsense of Christianity altogether. The Islamic view on heaven/hell relies more on one's earthly track record, and I understand how many who need a supernatural view of life can see that as more logically compelling. - OS[/quote] True, even Christians and Jews can get access to paradise without converting to Islam. Of course, Muslim extremists use this type of thought process to justify the murder of innocents, as collateral damage will be entered into paradise automatically as martyrs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Or not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Oh Shoot" post="1164104" timestamp="1404185384"]Yup, quite the loophole, maybe Adolf is there too. - OS[/quote] If he is he'd better be staying off mien comfy couch. Ironic that he could be chilling up there while the millions of Jews he slaughtered will be keeping a spot warm for you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Hmmm, I have chinooks, kiowas, Blackhawks and apaches flying over everyday for years now. Love it when the crew chief waves to my kid. But seriously, now is a time where readiness is a big deal. The Pentagon is gonna want to be ready for that order we know won't come. Folks who have been in the military should recall the times when things ramped up for a lot of nothing. We ain't going back to fight in Iraq. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Oh Shoot" post="1164048" timestamp="1404174676"]Best part of Catholicism IMO ... just hit the confessional once in a while and carry on. ;) - OS[/quote] Hey, don't count the rest of us out. Charlie Manson may repent on his deathbed and be hanging out in paradise while you burn for eternity. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Chucktshoes" post="1163987" timestamp="1404163549"]I'm with you 100%. Honestly, I didn't even know (or care) that it was Ramadan. This thread just seemed like a great place to post a picture of my awesome lunch. :yum:[/quote] I had Chilean Sea Bass, but it was wrapped in prosciutto, so I guess that made me a participant in this. My issue with Islam has always been cultural as opposed to the actual religion. But then again, I just got back from Newark, and that culture made me appreciate the simple nature of some of the Middle East countries I've spent time in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Oh Shoot" post="1163721" timestamp="1404070265"] It would be tough not to eat anything at all during daylight for a month, though. - OS[/quote] It's a lot easier when Ramadan falls during the later part of the year. Sun comes up early and goes down late right now. Of course, most Muslims I know just don't eat or smoke where others can see them. To quote one, "Allah can't see me in here." Reminds me of some of my Catholic buddies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

These things really are garbage for waging war. A great tool for approaching a known hostile, armed individual in an urban setting though. Cops have to do really dangerous things sometimes. I don't have a problem with them being safe while they do it. I don't suppose there are many here who would volunteer to run into gunfire unarmored simply because it makes other people uncomfortable to have the right gear. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="tnhawk" post="1163641" timestamp="1404050828"]There is no place in local police departments for military vehicles. Also there is no reasonable use for drones in local police departments.[/quote] People shoot at police sometimes. I guess an alternative to police standoffs involving hostages we should just wish the hostages the best of luck and go home. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="vontar" post="1162317" timestamp="1403660393"]I haven't see any major news jumping on this like they did a few days ago.[/quote] Nope. They got what they needed out of this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Mike.357" post="1162368" timestamp="1403666659"]I won't eat their food because it tastes bad. But I do wish there was a reputable way to help the little girl. Her family extended family deserves little sympathy. What is the saying? "But for the grace of God goes I."[/quote] Negative. I'll agree that this little girl absolutely deserves the world. She is the only innocent party here. As for the rest of them, they are all part of the exploitation of this poor child and the victimization of an innocent third party. They committed fraud to boot. Based on the track record of this trailer dynasty, I'm sure there is not one decent human being in this family. They are horrible, horrible people. Forgiveness is wasted on people who lack remorse. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

By the way, employees of this KFC have been getting death threats. Keep that in mind. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="vontar" post="1162240" timestamp="1403644944"]Wow this turned fast. I haven't read everything yet but I wonder how they determined it was a hoax so fast.[/quote] This happened two weeks ago. It could easily have been verified/debunked with about an hour of investigating. They made specific claims initially. When you make specific claims it is easy to verify or debunk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="LagerHead" post="1162171" timestamp="1403633354"]How else are they going to serve warrants against dangerous criminals like pot smokers and those with unpaid parking tickets? [/quote] I thought these were for taking us to the FEMA death camps. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Mike.357" post="1162130" timestamp="1403625785"]I found the movie entertaining and visually stimulating. I have never read the book but would like to.[/quote] The book is really well done. It reminds me of WWII specials on the history channel in which folks from that era and conflict recount their experiences; only this is a zombie war. It seems designed for people who like zombie survival flicks and history... like gun people. It's really hard to put down. I read the second half of the book in one sitting. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Dustbuster" post="1162197" timestamp="1403637765"]KFC has very angry employees Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.[/quote] I know I'd be pissed if I owned a franchise and was losing my livelihood due to a bunch of trailer trash rejects spewing lies to the media. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="dralarms" post="1162121" timestamp="1403624980"]Trying to get page to load. But if true its really bad on the grandmother.[/quote] The grandmother is from the same family responsible for this girl being mauled, nearly to death, by a pack of pitbulls that their family keeps in the backyard. That tells me everything I need to know. It baffles me the outrage at KFC from an unsubstantiated claim of an insult when this girl was permanently disfigured because of gross negligence at the hand of her own blood. Every adult in her family should be too ashamed to show their faces to the world, let alone make false claims about an innocent third party in an attempt to garner sympathy and cash. I can't even fit the idea of these people in my head. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The jig is up. The heart-wrenching story of a badly disfigured 3-year-old child being asked to leave a Jackson KFC because her appearance was scaring other customers was a story generated out of whole cloth and resulted in the family bilking the public and professionals for more than $135,000 in cash, as well as gifts and free surgeries, sources with deep knowledge of the investigation said exclusively to the Laurel Leader-Call. The sources spoke on the condition of strict anonymity because they were not permitted to speak on the record. A third-party mediator has been brought in on the case and he has been investigating the claims. No one with KFC, including Jackson franchise owner Kirk Hannon, would comment on the investigation until it is completed but they did release the following statement on Friday. “We continue to take this report seriously, and of course have great sympathy for Victoria and her family. Since we have so far not been able to verify the incident in our internal investigation, we have also hired a third-party consultant to conduct an independent investigation to help us resolve this matter,” Hannon said in a statement reported by WJTV. “We have always prided ourselves on respect for all people and we will continue to emphasize this to all our employees. In addition, regardless of the outcome of the current investigation, KFC Corporation has committed $30,000 to assist with Victoria’s medical bills. Along with the KFC Corporation, we are determined to get to the truth and address the situation appropriately.” Of the findings, the sources said: • Kelly Mullins, the child’s grandmother who was reportedly with her at the store, told KFC that the incident happened on May 15. A Facebook post attributed to Victoria’s Victories, a support site for young Victoria Wilcher who was mauled by three of her grandfather’s pit bulls, has the two in Jackson on May 15 having gone to Blair E. Batson Children’s Hospital. There are two KFC locations close to the hospital — on Woodrow Wilson Drive and Meadowbrook Drive. On May 16, Victoria’s Victories wrote: “We had a small adventure yesterday, Victoria pulled her feeding tube out but thanks to the great people at Batson Children’s Hospital she is home today waiting for her new sister! Mom & Baby Abby come home today too!!” • The source said surveillance videos show that at no time on the 15th were any children in the store who match the description of Victoria Wilcher or Mullins. The tapes were viewed in both the Meadowbrook and Woodrow Wilson KFC locations in Jackson, the source said. In hours of tape, the source said one small boy with his parents is seen, but they order food and leave the store. • The source said no orders were recorded to include mashed potatoes and sweet tea on the same transaction, or even the two items as part of a larger order on May 15. Mullins told WAPT TV in Jackson shortly after the incident went viral on social media June 12 that: “I ordered a sweet tea and mashed potatoes and gravy. I sat down at the table and started feeding her and the lady came over and said that we would have to leave, because we were disturbing other customers, that Victoria’s face was disturbing other customers.” The source said never has a hospital patient been asked to leave one of the KFCs and he pointed to seeing people suffering from all sorts of ailments eat at KFC. Inside Batson Children’s Hospital is a plaque of Col. Harland Sanders, founder of KFC, placed there after the company made a multimillion-dollar donation to the hospital. “We have never ever ever run off anyone, and we have seen some really really sick people come to the restaurant from the hospital,” the source said. “We’ve had people come in who were shot in the face. We’ve had them with tubes and wire sticking out. We never have asked anyone to leave. “There is a physically challenged person working in the Woodrow Wilson location and one of the other (KFC) managers has a child with Tourette’s Syndrome,” the source said. • The family initially told KFC the incident happened at the location on State and High streets, a claim backed by a Facebook post by Victoria’s Victories, a page run by Teri Rials Bates, the girl’s aunt that read: “Thank you for your support for Victoria. If you would like to file a complaint its the KFC on State Street in Jackson MS.” That store is not in operation and has been closed for several years. Victoria’s Victories changed its story Friday, saying the State Street reference was a mistake. In it, Bates wrote. “Im the Aunt, I run her page and Im the one that miss quoted that it was State street when it was actually Woodrow Wilson. Dont blame the grandmother for my mistake! The source said it was no mistake at all. “It just didn’t happen,” the source said. The story began going viral on June 12 when Victoria’s Victories page posted: “Does this face look scary to you? Last week at KFC in Jackson MS this precious face was asked to leave because her face scared the other diners. I personally will never step foot in another KFC again and will be personally writing the CEO.” After it went viral, employees and managers at both Jackson locations have faced death threats, have had drinks thrown at them through the drive-thru window and have faced constant verbal harassment, the source confirmed. One employee told the Leader-Call on June 20 that it was the first day since the firestorm erupted that he would wear his KFC work shirt in public. Mullins’ attorney, Bill Kellum of Jackson, said until he received word from the investigation launched by KFC that he could not comment. The findings of the report are expected this week. “You can write what you want to, but until I hear from them, I have no comment,” Kellum said by telephone Friday afternoon. Reached again Monday he said the primary goal is to help Victoria’s recovery. He said the family did not go searching for national attention, although they were the ones who first posted the event. Kellum also said the family has not decided on whether to even accept the $30,000 KFC pledged soon after the story went viral. “This doesn’t go to the family, they don’t want it; it just goes for Victoria,” said Kellum, who said he has yet to hear the findings of a third-party investigator, but that he has talked to the investigator and he is hearing differently than this story. “While we are pleased that KFC has brought in a third-party investigator, our primary goal isto help Victoria recuperate,” he said. He said he also is trying to create a trust fund for continued medical care for Victoria. However, in a weekend story on WJTV about Las Vegas plastic surgeon Dr. Frank Stiles’ visit to Victoria for a consultation for free plastic surgery, another attorney, Lindsey Turk, is quoted as saying: “I mean I’m just amazed by the generosity of people and I just really feel good about it and I know that Victoria’s going to be okay. We’re looking just to get her help. Not anything for us.” Dick West, who is the president of West Quality Food, one of the largest franchisees in the KFC chain and the owner of the local KFCs, also declined comment. However, on Saturday night, he made his feelings quite clear on the Facebook page of a Jackson television station when he posted “When the allegation was first made, KFC pledged $30,000 to go to medical expenses and started an investigation to find the truth. They have pledged the money even if it is proven that the incident never happened. At this point their story is full of holes. Any thinking person who follows their timeline can see it. The event at KFC never happened.” The incident garnered near instant national and international attention and became an economic windfall for a family who was openly concerned via social media of their fight with an unidentified insurance company and their financial struggles with paying for Victoria’s medical bills. There was no mention of what insurance carrier the family had. Stiles visited the family over the weekend for a consultation. His nonprofit, The Frank L. Stiles Foundation, will cover the costs of the expensive reconstructive procedures, which Stiles said would normally cost tens of thousands of dollars. Other doctors have offered to assist as well, he said on social media. More than $135,000 has been raised through the online donation site, gofundme.com, since June 13. The fund was created by Bates on April 28. The funding before the chicken caper came from seven donors for a total of $595. On May 20, Victoria’s Victories posted: “Victoria’s family is really struggling with the insurance company. Currently the(y) are not paying for the formula that goes into her feeding pump. If you can donate please do. They need your help.” No donations were given after that post until June 13, when the bogus KFC incident went viral. The fund collected 46 donations on June 13. On June 14, 164 people donated. The 15th, 709 people donated and on the 16th, when the firestorm had reached its zenith, 1,085 people donated. From June 17 to noon June 21, 855 more people had donated to the fund. Of those donations, $30,000 of it came from KFC for help with medical bills suffered when Victoria was attacked by three pit bulls at her grandfather’s Simpson County trailer. Others donated anywhere from $5 to $1,000 — much of it anonymous. But it was clear that the deception fooled plenty of people. Eric Breeding, who donated $100, wrote: “It hurt my heart to hear her story. I don’t have much, but I wanted to do something for her.” Shennell Church, who donated $10, wrote: “I read about what the KFC employee did. That was awful, inexcusable, and just horrible. Give Victoria some extra sweet hugs and kisses from us.” Messages left for Bates on the Victoria’s Victories and her personal Facebook page went unreturned. On Facebook Saturday, though, in one the most cryptic messages in response to a commenter, Bates wrote: Danyll, I hope God never sees fit to put you or your loved ones in such a hard situation as this. I made a mistake, when I made this mistake her page was only 250 people mostly family and close friends. None of us thought that it would blow up to be what it is. Im sorry you don’t believe the truth.” Mullins welcomed television cameras from Jackson while peddling the tale of deceit in an effort to bilk a public who lapped up the story with little regard to its validity. By the time those TV interviews had aired, the story had taken on a life of its own. National and world media such as CNN, Nancy Grace, Huffington Post and The Today Show jumped on the story, lambasting the employees, KFC and YUM! Brands, KFC’s corporate owners. “What, did they walk over to the table and say ‘hey, you’re ugly, you have to leave.’ What happened Dave?” wailed Grace, the HLN hysterical talk show host, which was answered by little-known talk radio host Dave Maxson. “No, Nancy, it was even worse than that. It wasn’t ‘you’re ugly.’ It was ‘you are scaring people. You must leave.’” Riding a wave of anger at KFC, vitriol overtook social media with calls for boycotting KFC. Most bought the story, hook line and sinker, but several others did not. Becky Tatum wrote on Facebook: “When kfc releases the surveillance video and broadcasts the results of their investigation – there isnt going to be a rock big enough for this family to climb under when the world finds out their kfc story is a lie for money.” Most of them were derided for their comments, however, as the majority backed the family’s story. On April 10, three of Donald Mullins’ 10 pit bulls burst through a door and began mauling Victoria at his Garrett Road home. Simpson County Sheriff Kenneth Lewis told WAPT at the time that one of the dogs ripped open the back door and jumped on the little girl. The other two dogs dragged the girl into the back yard and began mauling her. Donald Mullins and his girlfriend, Rita Tompkins, were arrested and charged with child endangerment, but both are out on bond. Victoria was rushed to a Jackson hospital, where she has been undergoing numerous treatments and surgeries. She suffered several broken bones, severe facial scarring and has been having to eat using a feeding tube. One of the final posts on Victoria’s Victories Friday was a Bible verse from the Book of Romans. It read: “If God be for us, who can be against us? Rom 8:31 What they left off was the first half of that Bible verse: “What shall we then say to these things?” Attempts to reach the family for that answer were also unsuccessful. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="Chucktshoes" post="1162057" timestamp="1403610746"]If you were expecting it to resemble in any way the nook, it would be. I had to approach it as a completely separate animal that shared only the name in common.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD[/quote] You still have a nook? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Looking like this story was a hoax, which should have been everyone's initial assumption: http://leader-call.com/2014/06/23/kentucky-fried-hoax/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Did I just see a person attack a 350 lb boar with a folding table? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ugh. This is why I have no desire to buy a new one. Mine is 15 years old and I have done minor repairs. Wife wants a new fancy one but I hear nothing but complaints from owners of new "efficient" machines. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[quote name="daddyo" post="1161523" timestamp="1403461714"]I can only hope that he would be one of the victims.[/quote] At a minimum he would be in jail where he belongs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I picked up my TCP the day it came from the truck to the gunshop. Mine was clean. Only a little greasy. I probably wouldn't have cared if there was fouling in the barrel other than the principle of it. However, if I bought a pistol that was sold at a store as "new" only to find out it was a demo gun, I'd be seeking resolution. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk