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Nope. My pistol only works when there are rounds in it.

If you end up having to perform any immediate action functions as armed security whilst out and about you'll both be screwed. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

It's not that easy to just "change out the ammo" to significantly change the ballistic properties, such as turning a .308/7.62 x 51 round into a low velocity pistol--type round and expect your (semi-automatic) weapon to function. It won't. Furthermore, if you're looking into a carbine for "CQB" I'm assuming you're wanting this for home defense and not domestic terrorism. If my assumption is correct you're going to want a pistol caliber carbine unless you live out in the country and aren't worried about throwing a few flyers through your wall. I have a few tactical rifles for the purpose of collection and sport but none of them are considered to be in the "home defense" category.

I'd like to share mine but the first part may be considered inappropriate to some.

Yeah, I agree that there should be a process to have those rights restored upon completion of sentence. Maybe not an automatic restoration, but one that can be sought through the legal system. I think back to some of the silly things I did between 18-21 and I'm lucky I never got caught. I don't think of myself as a bad person or criminal, but if things happened differently that's exactly what I would be.

Well it sounds to me like he didn't violate the law at all. He has the right to ask someone to leave for carrying even if it's not posted; any business has that right. The same as if you came in there with an offensive shirt on with no posting on the door against offensive clothing. It's your 1st Amendment right to wear an offensive shirt, however, he can ask you to leave because of it. The only difference between his business and a posted business is that you can't be charged with a crime for carrying in there.

I don't think it's even a concern with pistol caliber rounds. I have seen stories regarding drive-by gangland shootings where stray rounds entered homes and struck innocents, however, the chances of it happening in a SELF DEFENSE scenario is slim, especially if the event occurs within a home. Anything is possible but that doesn't mean it's probable. Concern about my pistol rounds overpenetrating an intruder doesn't keep me awake at night. High velocity rifle rounds, however, would be a concern of mine and I wouldn't suggest anyone use a rifle for home defense if they live in a populated area. They go everywhere upon ricochet and still retain enough energy to cause death. This includes HP rounds. Plus they WILL burn through a person and still maintain a good enough velocity to kill, especially if passing through soft tissue and not impacting bone.

I've seen postings like this before. I take it to mean exactly what it says. My HCP authorizes me to carry in public and therefore that is my interpretation. I wouldn't test the theory and OC in those establishments, however, as that will most likely result in a proper post which bans those of us who are legal.

Roger that, though I disagree with laws that tell private business owners what to do; even if the business practices themselves are unethical or immoral. Even if I stand to benefit from that law I think the Government should stay the hell away. In regards to the subject at hand, I'd like to carry my weapon everywhere I go and in every business I want. However, I completely defend the right of a business to tell me I can't come in with a weapon. I have the right to go somewhere else or leave my weapon at home. If it's worth the lost revenue to that business to maintain that policy, then good on them.

Well that is the difference between theory and reality. The reality is that businesses can and will be sued if someone is shot on their property. Right or wrong, this is reality. Taking away a businesses ability to mitigate risk or exercise their own property rights is wrong and borders on fascist. I do agree that it shouldn't be a criminal offense, however, it is still the owner's right to tell you to leave if they see a weapon or post a sign not allowing weapons in order to remove their liability. Someday if I open a business that requires customers to wear clown shoes, a rubber nose and go through a metal detector if they want access to the property I have the right to do that. Who are you or anyone else for that matter to tell me what I can do on my property?

Hey man, I'm in the exact same boat as you. I recently built a tricked out M-4 for my father who lives in Florida. He retires from service with FHP in 6 months so I decided to build him this rifle for a retirement gift. I'm getting the receiver engraved and painted as well. My intent is to present him with the rifle and then go to the local gunshop and do the transfer while I'm down there to make everything legal. It'll cost 10 bucks and take less than 20 minutes. In the grand scheme of things no one would ever know or think to question him on where or how he acquired it. The chance of it coming back to bite either one of us is slim to nil. However, it still feels safer to do the right thing just in case. You never know, right?

Not even close to the same ballpark. You also can't freely use your 1st Amendment rights when you go into a business. Case in point: you start running your mouth like an a-hole they can tell you to shut up or leave. Is that violating the constitution? If you don't like it don't patronize that business.

Mmmm... Robin Meade. She's still making it happen even after 10 years. That is the only news I will watch.

Years ago when I bought my Dodge Ram I had it Rhino Lined right away. I love it and would recommend it to anyone. The bed itself gets dented up from thrown stuff back there and hauling various things whereas a plastic liner protects the bed better from being dented, but I don't care about that. It cleans up real nice and doesn't scratch easily, so all you see are the dents from throwing logs and such in the back. The Rhino liner is tough and has a "tacky" enough coating that things don't slide around the way it would with a plastic liner. Plus it's smoother than a plastic liner so if you happen to sleep back there on occassion or um... engage in certain activities with lady friends back there, it's a lot more comfortable than a plastic liner with high ribbing on it. I could be talking out my a$$ here, but I thought Line-X dries as a hard plastic (not rubbery) when they put it in. Am I thinking of another spray on liner?

Sure, I guess that would be interesting to see how that worked out with anyone other than me. I'm not going to carry past any sign regardless of the legalities because I don't want the a$$pain that potentially is going to come with it. BTW, one of the better postings I've seen is at the Governor's Square Mall where it states on the entrance that carrying a firearm is prohibited unless authorized under state law. That covers everything it needs to. If a business was to post a meaningless sign that does nothing to prevent crime, this is what it should say.

No, the point was to prevent them from posting. Incidents like these are what causes businesses to post. I really don't care what their stance is on the 2nd Amendment or what their political leanings are. I just don't want to have to drive to the sh*tty part of town to buy booze when there is a very nice place only a mile from my house. My HCP doesn't make me an activist, it makes me an individual who has taken extra steps to ensure the safety of myself and my family.

Thanks all for the input. I've seen some negative stuff about their retrofit kits, but that could be operator head space and timing, not necessarily the kit. A former coworker of mine wrote a review on the kit on defensereview.com, so I'm not certain if the complete uppers were available at the time. He had a lot of good things to say about it but I guess I was hoping that someone actually owned one that was assembled at the factory to see what they think. With what I know I think I'm gonna splurge and pick one up after the new year. I'll be sure to post on it's performance since it seems that there aren't that many folks that have one.

Adams Arms - Adams Arms - AR15 Gas Piston Systems Does anyone own one of these? I'm looking for some first hand reviews, good/bad/indifferent before I commit. Thanks all.

Yeah, I've been wanting to get into it for years, but am always so busy. Plus it's hard to justify to my wife to have her come pick me up for DD duty from Nashville. A couple of guys I used to work with had been in some groups in other cities and had some wild stories. Good times from what I hear.

YES!! I tell ya, I'd be willing to put up with a traffic jam for quite a while to enjoy some bouncy-bouncies. Not to hijack this thread, but since we're on the topic of runners "running amok", are there any Hash House Harriers around?

How 'bout a gun range? I've carried at gun ranges long before having a HCP and have done so in many states. If the logic of the law is that the property owner can't grant you the right to OC/CC on their property then technically the Po-Po can roll you up on the spot, right? I understand that there is somewhat of an implied purpose to being on a range, however, the situation is the same. When I was younger (before I was old enough to have a HCP) I carried around my Grandparent's ranch. Would that be breaking the law? I just don't think this is prosecutable and certainly not something that an LEO would go out of his way to enforce. Maybe if a crime was committed at the time of carry it could be thrown on there as a extra charge but otherwise I just don't see this being a big deal.

I think the only way to quantify the appropriate level of inconvenience is to determine the "hot runner chick" to "inconvenienced motorist" ratio.

I always make sure to slow down for runners. Much like the officer in the story, I am easily distracted by pony tails on hot jogging chicks, and make sure to slow down extend my time to take in as much of the scenery as possible. I ran the Music City Marathon a few years back and intend to do it again this spring just for that reason; good times. On a less objectifying note, they tend to put this information out well in advance. I understand that not everyone reads the local paper anymore, and those that do may not comb every corner of it, but the effort to inform is most likely made. Also, in our modern times every risk has to be mitigated down to the absolute lowest level in order to prevent liability. This may be an inconvenience, but if it wasn't for these measures it would leave the event organizers and the local government liable to lawsuits. In that case these events wouldn't happen at all and that would be more of a detriment to the community than the temporary inconvenience of a few hundred drivers. Plus, runner chicks are hot. They just are.

I would just avoid confrontation with managers/employees like that at all costs. The more it's brought to his attention the more likely he's going to do the research and put up a legal posting.

As a kid I learned to shoot on a pump 410 and a pump 22. I was able to safely handle these firearms at the age of 5 and continued to use them until I was around 9 when I could step up to the .30 and the 20 GA. I would say one of each should be great for kids to teach the fundamentals of marksmanship as well as safe handling procedures. If it has to be one, I would go with any of the repeating .22's (bolt). At least with the .22 you can focus on accuracy out to distance as they get older which is something you can't do with a 410.