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Armor piercing rounds are usually use a tungsten penetrator. Steel core won't penetrate armor, not even some level 3 armor we tried it on, and that was stand alone (without the soft armor). Vehicle armor didn't allow it through either. True "black tip" AP rounds of the same caliber burn right through that stuff depending on the thickness and that is a tungsten penetrator inside. The stuff is so hard that it actually cuts small grooves up the feed throat on a M2 .50 cal MG by being pulled through on the links (using .50 sabot rounds with the exposed tungsten bullet, and that is a solid block of steel. It's real hard stuff.

It seems to defy all logic that someone would do that but it seems to be the case. Another contributing factor is the lifestyle and upbringing of those who are on government assistance from the time they enter this world 'til the time they leave it. It's become a culture of sorts. Many people that use government assistance are those who fall on hard times and are doing what they can to get back on track, because they don't want to take money that isn't theirs unless they have to. That is what the system is designed for. However, there are those that have no shame that feel entitled to that money and make no effort to earn it on their own. Those people have no self respect and that is their own curse. They will spend the entirety of their life sucking of society and making nothing of themselves, and breed at a faster rate than those of us who choose to support our offspring, thus continuing the cycle at an exponential rate. I wouldn't trade places with them, ever.

From what I understand is that most Berretta 92 parts are compatible with the Taurus PT92 to include the barrel/locking block. I haven't tried this myself (I've never owned a Taurus) but the PT92s are built on Berretta machinery still, as far as I know. A few things are different like the take down button and the grips. Are you looking to put a Taurus barrel in a Beretta or Berretta barrel in a Taurus? I have a Berretta barrel or two sitting around somewhere if you want to give it a try. Here is a link to a thread discussing the compatability on a Taurus enthusiast forum: http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/pt92-other-taurus-pistols/28528-taurus-beretta-92-compatibility.html

No, he's correct. Tennessee code states that you can have a rifle/shotgun in the vehicle (loaded) but without a round in the chamber (amber status). Pistols are fine for having one in the pipe, but not rifles/shotguns.

I don't need a lesson, but last I checked a revolver has no safety on it. The only safety is the heavier trigger pull. I still don't see the reason to knock firearms with no safety on them. My Sig, Berretta and Glock have no safety and somehow I've managed never to shoot myself with them. The same type of person that would shoot themselves with a Glock is probably the same type of person that would shoot themselves with a 1911, which seems to be the weapon in this case. If you lack the confidence in yourself to handle a weapon that has no safety then I'm glad you were able to make that self-assessment. Knowing your limitations is a very mature and responsible thing. But just because you can't handle it doesn't mean you should start spouting off about how the G19 I carry is somehow more dangerous than whatever it is you carry. It's the ignorance of the user that makes it dangerous, not the actual firearm. "Fecal-heads"? You sure you're old enough to own a pistol 'cause that's some kid stuff right there.

Those aren't police, they're privatized security hired by upper class neighborhoods.

The article is very telling about the times we are stepping into due to the failing economy. The Detroit PD claim that the rise in justifiable homicides are unrelated to response times/less police; the rationale they use is that the shootings take place before 911 is even called. But this is a very flawed logic. The criminals obviously know that there are less police on the street and their response times are so slow, so they are more brazen in their crimes. Makes sense that this would lead to rise in SD shootings since the crime is up and the citizenry is more aware and prepared. What I don't like about this article is that it uses phrases like "vigilantism", "retribution" and "taking the law in their own hands". I think they miss the point completely. If someone shoots in self-defense they are not doing it for "retribution", they're doing it to protect themselves. It goes to show how the average person (even the "well informed" press) don't understand the role of law enforcement. They are there to enforce the law, not provide protection.

The second one I think is close to what you're getting at. That can be done pretty cheaply (in relative terms). The only thing that needs to change is the stock and grip and you got yourself a damn sexy rifle. Here is the link to the thread where that one is posted. If you're into it I'd PM the OP and get the rundown. The parts he used are actually in the post so you can look online for the best prices. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/43804-new-black-rifle/

Yeah, that's a sexy rifle, but definitely pricey... I think that's a Noveske which is up there on the cost range. So breaking it down between lower and upper receiver.... the upper is gonna be what you put all the cash into. Lower: Unless you want to put a bunch of custom parts into (such as custom trigger job and such) I'd buy this complete. If you can get a stripped lower (like the PSAs) for the deals that are occassionally run on them then pick one up and build on it. If you get a regular priced stripped lower it costs about as much to build it as it would be for a complete lower. When you get a parts kit it is usually complete (minus buffer tube/stock). If you get a complete lower you can just buy an after market stock and pistol grip and remove the ones that come on the lower. The stock pictured above is pricey, but you can get the MOE ones (which do look nice) for not much. All in all, you can do the lower for about 300 bucks if you buy one complete and then add the sexy pistol grip/stock afterward. If you are set on building your lower then get a stripped, buy a compatible parts kit without the buffer tube/stock, and buy the buffer tube/stock separate. Upper: I recommend getting an upper receiver that is the same manufacture as the lower. Sometimes the upper and lower don't match on the finish, so it makes the rifle look funky. If you do get an upper from a different company than the lower just make sure they match first. There should be plenty of folks here that can advise on compatible companies. Once you have your stripped upper you'll need the charging handle, bolt carrier group, gas tube, gas block, barrel, flash suppressor/brake and rail system... and sights of course. I'm assuming you're going for the low pro gas block look (no front sight post) with a rail that extends past the gas block. For this you'll want a 9 inch free floating rail system. That's going to run a bit on cash, but there are lower end rails that won't break the bank. Here are a couple to get an idea. http://dsgarms.com/P...Info/MI-T9.aspx http://www.rooktacti...-product-search For the barrel you'll have to make a choice on how long. The standard is a 16 inch, that way you can switch flash suppressors at will and have access to remove the gas block. The one pictured above looks like a 14.5 inch with the suppressor permanently attached. For barrels less than 16 inches the muzzle device must be permanently attached to make the overall barrel lenth 16 inches (legal), so the muzzle device must be 1.5 inches long. If you decide to do this you can take the barrel to a gunsmith and have it attached; just be sure to have the gas block put on first. A lot of folks advise against this because it limits your options later, but if you think you'll like this as a permanent set up than go ahead and do it. I did and I'm very happy with my choice. If you don't want to do that, go ahead and get a 16 inch barrel and you can do all the rest without a gunsmith; your rifle will just end up being a little longer is all. Also with the barrel you're gonna want to chose the profile and twist and whether or not you want .223 or 5.56. Basic "M4" profile looks nice, but it's not everyone's cup of tea. The twist will depend on what you're gonna be feeding the rifle. Dolomite has a PHd in that category, but from what I take from it 1:7 is for heavier rounds (62 and up) and 1:9 is for the lighter ones (62 and below). If you get a 5.56 barrel you can shoot both 5.56 and .223. If you get a .223 barrel you can only shoot .223. For the other nitnoid parts I usually go with Yankee Hill. I've done several builds using their products and haven't had a problem. They tend to be cheaper and the quality is great. One of the things I do when I'm doing a build for someone is visit the websites of distributors and find all the parts I need. I take screengrabs of the product page and put that into a Powerpoint document, and then use that to determine the cost of the build. I'll give that to the person so they can pick and choose which parts they want that fit their build and their budget. This allows us to know the cost of the build before the first part is ordered. It also gives them a reality check of how much it's going to cost, because the little stuff adds up quick. I did one for a co-worker years ago and he wanted nothing but Daniel Defense stuff on his gun, and it came out costing several hundred more than what he thought it would. I saw someone post the other day with a build they completed that was similar to the one above and it came out nice. If I can find it I'll post a pic of it here since it's kinda what I'm describing.

I actually built a few for family and friends before I built my own. Mostly because they had specific things they wanted and didn't want to screw it up (like special barrels/free floating rails/after market triggers). I modeled my first one for myself after my work gun (I was in the military at the time) and made an exact replica. If I didn't have that plan in mind I probably woulda just bought one outright. My next one after that was a Viet Nam era commando replica. I came by some old parts and a completely slick Colt upper and couldn't resist. Minus the barrel (it's just a 16 in commando replica barrel) it looks pretty good... aluminum stock and all. My latest build was inspired by the sheer amount of extra parts and peices I had; I pretty much needed a stripped lower and upper (plus a few springs and a gas tube) and I had myself a brand new rifle... even had a spare free floating rail sitting around. I was going to sell it and use the funds for an MSAR, but decided to give it to my dad as a retirement gift this summer. I see some pretty sexy rifles tooling around here that guys have. I've toyed around with the idea of making my own safe queen, but I like the "character" of my ugly ARs and don't think I'd care for one with all the cool bells and whistles. I think the military ruins some folks like me who look at their rifle as something that can get beat up a bit at the expense of cosmetics. If I had one of those real nice ones I'm sure I wouldn't treat it the way I'm supposed to anyway. Any of the ones on the "Evil Black Rifle" thread do anything for you? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/1143-post-pictures-of-your-evil-black-rifle/

What are you into? Maybe post a pic of a couple of rifles that look near to what you want and then we can talk about how to get there.

Man, I'd really like to give that a try but I'm afraid the other kids will make fun of me!

Yeah, unfortunately these are the cases that gun-grabbers refer to when making arguments against carrying in general. They ignore the fact that those who have HCPs undergo background checks and are generally responsible enough not to do things like this.

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-warns-threat-anti-government-extremists-002134829.html http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-focused-sovereign-citizen-extremists-215712957.html I'm not a tin-foil hat guy, but it seems the only legitimate cases that were cited by the FBI were 2 shootings since 2010. Seems hardly something that requires a national strategy and such attention from the FBI, especially since the "extremist views" mentioned in the article was simply that these folks don't believe in paying taxes and that the Government is broke. I honestly don't know much about the organization of these folks, but it just doesn't seem like something that warrants that much attention from the media and law enforcement. Thoughts?

Using Iraq as an example, the only arms and ammunition that was readily available on the market were soviet bloc weapons (AK variants and PKCs mostly, and Beretta 51s or BHPs). In early 2004 AKs were going for less than $50 USD. Even as late as 2010 the average price for an AK was less than $200. You can imagine that the only ammo you could get was 7.62 x 39 and 54R (or 9mm for pistols). I remember paying a guy over 50 bucks for 100 rds of .22 lr back in '05, and that was after quite a bit of haggling. Of course, Iraq didn't have the access to the firearms market that we do. So many of the weapons that were on the open market after the invasion were those that had been looted or taken by deserters of Saddam's army. I would imagine in the US it would be much different because so many people already have a vast array of weaponry of varying calibers and stockpiles. Sustainment would be the only issue. So what you have is what you have. If you have a .357, chances are you aren't going to find that for very cheap after a collapse. The reason why 5.56 would be the way to go isn't because you're going to be slaying so many folks and taking their stuff, but because it will be one of the most available on the open market when stockpiles are either looted, or corrupt government officials are selling it off to wholesalers. I was thinking the same thing when the question was posed. Of course the difference being our standard of living is so much higher, which may actually be our undoing if/when that standard drops suddenly and dramatically. That is a great quote I'm gonna have to remember.

Well if that is true you should know that someone who has not been in a two way gunfight before might react much different than someone who has. The fact that he had time to move someone out of the way and have his weapon ready may have actually contriuted to his inaccuracy as his adrenaline spiked in anticipation of a life or death moment. I've been in plenty of gun fights too when I was still in. I can't remember ever having that moment of panic/fear because I was already prepared mentally and knew that I had a bunch of buddies backing me up. A SD situation like this is completely different; I can't imagine what he was experiencing in the moments that led up to the engagement. What I do know is that it wasn't like shooting paper at the range for this guy, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming he made a concious decision of "accuracy by volume", and you should too.

I'm still not seeing ANYTHING about him shooting the driver as he was fleeing. What I read was that he engaged the driver when he RETURNED TO THE SCENE TO GET HIS BUDDY. Sounds like a good shoot to me. And how 'bout this, I could give a DAMN about how something relfects on the "self-controlled" gun community when I think my life is in danger. So before hanging this guy some of you should consider how you would react in the middle of the night as someone invades your property, then comes back for more.

As much as I would like to bag on someone's inability to shoot, let's remember that there was a weapon pointing at him when he began to fire. Most people here have only experienced a "one-way" shooting range. Those that have experienced the "two-way" shooting range are aware that your technique may drastically change from what you're used to when shooting at paper... specifically, you have more to worry about than just hitting the target; you have to worry about the target hitting you. Being able to ignore the instinct to shield yourself from harm and fully commit to an aggressive act is not something most people can do on the fly, especially when they're out shopping for groceries. This is even harder to do than what military/LE experience in a gunfight because they are already mentally committed (for the most part) before entering a decisive engagement and even when reacting to contact (that's why SOPs exist). This mindset alone is a significant difference to that of a citizen out doing their thing. So what I'm saying is give the guy a break. Chances are he's never had a gun pointed at him before and he's never had to point his gun at anyone either. That can be profound experience for some the first time around. I reason to bet that some of the sh*t talkers might be messing their pants a little if they found themselves looking down the barrel of a hostile weapon. The thing to take away from this is that he chose not to be victimized and a couple of bad guys learned a valuable lesson. It was a brave thing to do and we should recognize that aspect of it.

Oh yes it will.

Hahaha, Judas goats! That made my day.

Just re-read. Musta made the assumption when I read it the first time.

Yet another argument against carrying firearms, although she was also charged with felony possession of a firearm so I'm assuming she didn't have a permit, and based on the drug possession I'm assuming she already has a record that prevents her from owning a firearm in the first place. Mom who left kids in vehicle with loaded gun arrested » The Commercial Appeal

In my days of going back and forth on I-95 (NC to FL) I was very selective in the types of water bottles brought along on the trip... specifically ones with accommodating sized mouths. This would be way better than an Aquafina bottle though!

More Citizens armed = more violent offenders get lead poisoning. That is when the criminal element start to consider the possibility of an armed citizenry when planning a violent crime, which would lead to less violent crime taking place... in theory. The best part about that scenario is what they know and what they don't know.

Ha, well I guess that deserved a caveat... "The Government can't create jobs.... without spending our money".