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Comparing apples and hand grenades here. Collateral damage and the premeditated murder of civilians is very different.

If I hear a woman screaming for her life the furthest from my mind will be civil liabilities. I get what you're saying, and it makes sense on paper, but in the heat of the moment folks don't always have time to consider the 2nd and 3rd order effects of their decision. Its a lot easier to armchair quarterback those decisions.

Well we still don't know all of the back story. Even then, he heard a woman screaming for her life. Turns out he bad guy had already assaulted her and threatened her with a knife; there's a chance that his actions saved her life. I would have absolutely intervened in that scenario. In the heat of the moment he made a bad choice by trying to breach with a slug, but his intent was to save the life of an innocent and no one was injured due to his bad choice. He deserves no charges.

Intent?

The effectiveness of sobriety checkpoints might not be as tangible as other means of catching drunks, but the media campaign leading up to booze holidays which warns of checkpoints serves as a deterrent. Maybe there are plenty of folks that decide to plan for a DD or cab ride because the know there will be checkpoints. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that this happens. The problem is people want tangible results that can be represented in a chart or something. Usually preventative measures are harder to prove in regards to results. If I put a 100 lb pit bull in my front yard is he protecting my property or is he preventing folks from choosing to trespass? If no one comes into my yard over the course of the dog's life I can't prove it was because of the pit bull, but it's pretty obvious that he had a hand in it. There is no definitive way to prove that sobriety checkpoints save lives, but it isn't a stretch to make that assumption.

No it is not legal. You need a HCP.

These rude folks have to put up with their own miserable existence everyday. It irks me too when I have put up with it, but I figure that their quality of life is so low as a result of their rude personality. I still hold doors for older folks and women. Occasionally the person I'm holding open the door for won't even look at me, let alone acknowledge my gesture; they just zoom past almost annoyed with my manners. It still doesn't stop me from doing the right thing though.

Sentencing someone to death and actually carrying out that sentence are two very different things. The military hasn't carried out an execution in nearly 50 years.

Still a citizen, still deserves a trial. Unfortunately our military doesn't carry out executions anymore. If we did I would like to see the trial and sentence carried out in-country.

With over 150,000 troops in Astan there are bound to be a few crazies. What percent of the US male population are sociopaths? Now, put a few of those crazies in an environment with access to weapons and ammo. Sprinkle a little poor supervision from leadership on top and give the perception of a consequence-free environment. It's gonna happen sometimes and I think our military does a pretty good job of mitigating that risk to a realistic level. Nothing more to the story; crazy people do crazy things. How is it easier to believe conspiracy here?

Glock 19 as well.

Yeah. I googled it after I saw the thread. I'll be checking it out Saturday afternoon.

Never heard of this. When is it going on?

That isn't what I said at all. Pairing the likelihood of having to fire your weapon with the likelihood of a criminal overtaking a victim after being engaged by a mousegun is literally one in a million, maybe more. Anyone that carries a .22 shouldn't lose sleep over it. One in seven of us will die of cancer. That's something to lose sleep over. But since the question was posed, no I don't think it's crazy not to have a firearm in the first place. The chances of having to use one in self defense are low enough that someone who chooses not to own one will have some pretty good odds of getting through life safely. That's their choice and I don't see myself questioning their choice just like I don't want them to question my choice to be armed. So, if someone wants to have a .22 for self defense more power to 'em. Looks like it had the desired effects in this case.

Bottom line, I've read more stories of folks successfully defending themselves with small caliber weapons than stories of someone being overtaken by the person they just shot with a mousegun. I'm sure if such statistics existed it would show such a marginal percentage of that actually happening. Paired with the slim chance of having to fire your weapon in self defense in the first place, I'd say that a mousegun is about as likely to get you killed as being attacked by a shark in Utah.

Okay, I thought that was a standard for TN. I guess it's just here in Clarksville/Montgomery County.

Schools are closed today. There are no students unless they are with their parent that is voting. I just voted at an elementary school which is completely empty and my son is home because school is closed.

No matter what the caliber people don't like getting shot. In a scenario of criminal activity resulting in violence an intruder is most likely gonna try to bail on the sound of gunfire alone. Crimes of passion are going to increase the likelihood of continued advance even after being wounded. Clearly in this case when the gun came out these guys fled. It wouldn't have mattered if it was a .22 or blunderbuss. The only difference may have been how fast the perp died. I'm sure this is true in most cases of SD shootings that don't involve passion or emotion. So yes, a .22 is quite capable of fending off an attacker even if it doesn't incapacitate them. For someone opposed to carrying such small caliber weapons it is most likely because they don't want to give the attacker the opportunity to make that choice because there is still a chance the perp will not decide to stop... I am one of those folks. That don't mean I don't recognize that bad guys don't like being shot at or shot, and will most likely take the first "out" they can find; and I do have personal experience on that subject to support my conclusion.

Voted today for RP. The wife won't tell me who she voted for.

That's why I carry a desert eagle .50 and a sawed off 12 gauge as backup. If that doesn't work I have a backup 2 ft long bowie knife running the length of my leg. Anyone that carries anything smaller is just asking to be a victim.

I was gonna comment on the fact that an acoustic guitar would have done more damage than the electric.

Or maybe we should not allow people to carry firearms; that would have prevented this too. Or we should have legal postings on bathroom doors to prevent restroom NDs. Requiring safeties on all handguns might also have prevented this. Or maybe folks should carry their mags in a separate pocket and only load their weapons when they're ready to use it. I can load and make ready pretty fast, so everyone else should too, right?

Wow, went out there today. Was not what I expected; very nice facility.

Do they have divisions for folks without all the fancy stuff on their pistol? I'd like to try this out next weekend but prefer to compete with my EDC.

I don't own a SOCOM M1A, but my uncle does and I've fired it with an Aimpoint in the same mounting location. It worked fine, and the additional eye relief gives you more SA by not being so close to the tube (and I like that). Follow up shots (controlled pairs) weren't always easy since the additional eye relief and recoil (vs 5.56) made it difficult to immediately reacquire the dot, but it was still a good option. With the EOtech the reticle gets bigger the more eye relief you have so I don't know how that would look from that distance, but can imagine that could get pretty annoying to some. I find it difficult to see targets with that reticle and would think that more eye relief/bigger reticle would exacerbate that.