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Hopefully he doesn't break down and cry under all that pressure.... not that he is predisposed to do such a thing.

We only need 6 to get this moving forward; so far we are 1/3 there. If Kim is against it that means that she has to take a position on it when it comes up. That means she's going to have to come up with a rationale to justify her position. Not something that is fun for politicians to do.... ya know, have positions on stuff. Maybe she'll "evolve". Either way, we just got to get the resolution in there to get the ball rolling. It's been almost two years since the last vote. Time to remind our elected officials that we still disagree.

No noise on where I'm talking about. All the 4 wheelers are on the other side of the bay. We do the backwoods camping instead of staying in the main areas. Great privacy and all the skinny dippin you could ask for after the sun goes down.

That's why I was asking. My wife and I had a nice spot on Turkey Bay, opposite side from the recreation area. Ya gotta take a back trail a couple miles but the spot is secluded and right on the water. Used to go there all the time before the kids came along.

In LBL?

On one hand I don't want the parks posted because it gives a clear defense to a HCP holder in the event he is charged. However, with the knowledge that someone who is made will still have to face the legal system isn't a good solution. If I didn't have a family I probably wouldn't have a problem testing the system. I know that the DA won't press charges on someone carrying in the parks, but I'm also certain that if a MWG call comes in the popo is going to roll up the HCP holder. This means a great legal inconvenience for the HCP holder, and who knows, maybe the LE will petition to have his permit revoked. It shouldn't be this way. The current answer isn't the right answer. Plus I'm still not going to carry if I know it is illegal; I don't have time for that sort of problem. Others may but I won't. I'd rather just have the law changed.

Splash. First post updated to reflect that. Thanks Fister. 10 more to go.

Hahaha! Love the part about the French!

No matter how you slice it, this is gonna look bad for him in November.

"Awrick Baawlrin"

Very interesting. A shame that OCing could motivate business owners to do such a thing, but understandable considering society today and what people consider to be normal. I wish that a person OCing was a very normal thing that didn't set off the sheep, but I don't think that is the world we live in today; at least in the populated areas. At least they took the time to research and not put up a legal posting.

Oh yeah.... ummmm... by "guns" I meant "30 Rock Series DVDs".

Ugghhh... if we're gonna start throwing stones about who got off topic then you should look at my first post. It is very clear. "Are these Americans?" They are. They have rights. I don't care if they're worshipping Satan, Hitler or Joy Behar. They are still Americans. If they step over the line into sabotage, espionage, terrorism or what have you, then by all mean, lets throw 'em in jail and shut the operation down. I believe that internment camps during WWII that held Japanese-Americans absolutely prevented acts of sabotage. However, I would gladly prefer that we would put American lives at risk before we violate the rights of other Americans. On paper that doesn't make sense, but I believe in freedom, and deciding who gets to be free and who doesn't based soley on race, culture or religion is such a dangerous and slippery slope that I can't fit it into my head. If that is the country we become then the flag on the front of my house will come down until such time as it can be flown honorably again. If we want to have a bash Islam thread then by all means, have a go. But let's not play the "I'm taking my ball and going home because you guys can't play by the rules" when you are the one that made it about the Mboro mosque. That's what we're talking about. The lawyer stirring the s*** pot is a xenophobic POS that wants to control the religious practices of others. If I thought for a second that there was a remote chance of being about codes I would stop participating in this thread. However, I use the Googler and there are so many sound bytes on this guy making it clear that this is a Christianity vs Islam issue that no reasonable person could conclude that this has anything to do with code or poor notification. That is disgusting, un-American and a whole bunch of other things that can't be adequately articulated via keyboard.

It shouldn't feel wrong. Everybody gets to die, some people should get to cash in that privilage earlier than others. Folks that prey on the weak are on that list.

I sent my email to my Councilman, Mr. Wallace. It was personal to my situation, similar to the first post regarding taking my children to parks that are not posted, yet could result in being arrested if caught carrying. I expressed my dislike for the law as well as the ambiguity of the law. I recieved a call from him a short time later where we discussed the situation and he came up with some ideas to correct the problem. He doesn't like the law either, but isn't going to hang himself out there if it's obvious that the other Councilmembers won't carry it. I don't blame him; especially if it is clear that the constituents of the other wards don't have any interest in having the law changed; for example, those Clarksvillians on TGO that aren't willing to find out the position of their elected representative on the City Council. I would say the best way to draft a letter is to point out the existing law, the issues created amongst the carry community due to it's ambiguity and discuss how the criminal element would ignore such laws anyway, as committing a crime with a firearm is far more severe than carrying past a sign and, therefore, will prevent zero crime from taking place; it will only prevent law abiding HCP holders from defending themselves. It wouldn't hurt to mention that HCP holders must apply for the permit, undergo formal training and a relatively extensive background check. The Chief of Police here has made it clear that he does not want HCP holders carrying in parks. This makes me believe that he will have his officers arrest a HCP holder for carrying in a restricted park. Perhaps that individual will escape charges, but who wants the metal bracelets slapped on them with their two kids there? Not me. The problem is that it is illegal to carry in some parks (mostly the major ones) but there is not an easy place to find out which ones are illegal to carry in. There are no postings, to my knowledge, other than the Bark Park at Heritage. There is also nothing on the Parks and Recreation site which mentions which parks are legal to carry in. My concern is that some HCP holders take their chances and carry anyways, knowing that the DA won't charge them if arrested, but who wants to go through that trouble? The answer is to have the law changed, or at a minimum have the parks properly posted. Nobody wants that to happen, but dammit, we should have a right to know what laws are out there even if we don't approve of those laws. I can gaurantee that the parks will be properly posted after the first incident with a HCP holder. We shouldn't wait for that to happen. We don't have to. But like I said above, there are a lot of folks on this site that talk a lot about changing things at the local level, but when the time comes it's just b!tching on the internet. I expected more from the outspoken HCP holders on this site. I am truly disappointed. The email I sent: Mr. Wallace, As a resident of Ward 9 I wanted to bring to your attention my concern regarding the ambiguity of legal handgun carry laws in Clarksville parks. I am aware that a bill was passed which made it legal for permit holders to carry in Clarksville parks, however, I am also aware that some parks in Clarksville still prohibit legal handgun carry. I have searched the City of Clarksville website as well as the Clarksville Parks and Recreation sites in an effort to determine which parks are prohibited, but I have found nothing indicating this. Now that Liberty Park is open again I made sure to look for signs and on the city website for information regarding legalities and have not found any. In fact, there is a sign posted at Liberty Park which instructs park goers to log on to cityofclarksville.com for park rules. The reason this is a concern of mine is because I legally carry a handgun when in public as I take very seriously my responsibility to protect my family. I used to leave my handgun in my vehicle when taking my kids to the parks until I found myself confronted by two individuals under the influence of a controlled substance while taking my young son to see the train at Dixon park. I was surprised that I would find myself in such a situation in the middle of the day and so close to where police officers frequent, as the maintenance station is next to the park. After that I will never sacrifice the safety of my children for the irrational rules set in place by folks that don't understand criminal nature, as a sign or rule preventing legal handgun carry will not deter someone who is already illegally carrying a weapon. It will only deter law abiding folks like me from carrying or patronizing these parks. I would like to continue to take my kids to Clarksville parks, but want to make sure that I am not breaking the law in doing so. I would appreciate it if you could bring to the attention of the Safety Council that law abiding folks like myself are being set up to unwittingly break the law, or if you could get the opinion of the Chief of Police as to whether or not a crime is being committed by legally carrying in a park that is not posted at location or on the City of Clarksville website. Thank you very much, Sir.

Right on Rakkasan. I'll be back in town at the end of the summer. I'm planning to hit the Montgomery shooting range to brush up on pistol and skeet around that time. Haven't used the skeet range there yet and I've been itching to give it a whirl. Always good to hear NCOs who know what they're talking about.

Alright Clarksvillians, I figured I'd give it a week and a half so folks could have time to contact their city rep, but it appears that there is zero interest in having this law changed. I am quite surprised, to be honest. I see so many posts which advocate action at the local level, and yet, here we are with the opportunity to have a BS law changed and no one can take the 10 minutes out of their day to compose and email. I can't think of a better place than TGO to reach HCP holders and motivate a change in the law. There are several dozen active members here that call Clarksville their home. If there is no interest here I don't believe there is anywhere else where I could solicit any interest. So here it is, we are going to capitulate to the bedwetters that made this law because we simply can't back up our words with action. I'll be contacting my Councilman now to let him know that drafting a resolution is a task that is pointless. That is all.

I don't see how Obama can be the most arrogant man in the world as long as Alec Baldwin is around. I would give up all my guns in exchange for punching him in the face.

Right? How ya gonna put a BFA on it?

Grand jury came back with no indictment. The DA said she hadn't seen such a clear cut case in her career. The father is clear from any criminal responsibility. Now let's see if this POS's family tries to sue.

Then I must have one.

I don't think there was ever a threat. I think this was just procedural to make it clear that his actions were justified. I don't think anyone involved lost sleep over this based on how LE commented on it at the start. Even if this POS had his hands up and was surrendering it wouldn't have mattered. The father never would have seen the inside of a jail cell.

If his father is white then no.

Blasphemy! May the 1911 Gods rain down herpes upon your plastic pistols!

Really? I guess I never researched it, I just assumed Uncle Sam considered that illegal. Guess I'll be working on my foogas mixture this fall for the leaves.