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  The only way they would be able to have a dog that could be out like a shot would be to have at least one dedicated dog in a kennel overlooking the open area, and is trained to go into bite mode out of the gate.  All that is possible, but not practical.  They would be doing that for the sole purpose of stopping a runner on that portion of the lawn.  There are better ways to mitigate that without taking a handler and a dog out of the patrol.   You missed what I wrote earlier.  The reason LE and Military K9s are in "bite mode" when they go is because they've experienced a series of preparatory cues before they go.  For military dogs, they're either at a breach point, in a gun fight, search for man or leading the assault force (these are just a few examples).  Police dogs have similar preparatory stimuli which get them in mode, such as a car chase, being released during H2H and search for man (to name a few).  This has to do with the mentality of the animal at the time and the stimuli which brought them into that mentality.  A patrol dog isn't just going to suddenly take a command to "pocken/stellen/sick balls" when it's just walking around with daddy.  I could go up to my attack dog while we're just playing around in a park and give her a bite command suddenly and she'd look at me like I had a penis growing out of my forehead; and my dog has actually eaten a few people.  In order to get them into bite mode they need preparatory commands or stimuli, and they need target lock.  You know how hard it is to get a dog to have target lock on something several hundred yards away, with dozens of other people around?

  I suppose insurance covers the loss, but I'd be trying to put the trucker behind bars.  What a POS.  Can't imagine he's going to be very successful in the trucking industry if he's got a history of theft.

  No, you missed what I was saying.  That's not how dogs work.  You can't just have them (any trained dog) in drive and ready to strike at all times.  They require preparatory stimuli before they're in bite mode.  LE dogs are already in that mode when they're with the handler chasing a perp.  Hell, many of them are in that mode when the door is opened, because they've been trained that way.  A dog on patrol of the White House grounds isn't and can't be perpetually in drive.  Then you have the issue of target lock.  The dog has to know who it is attacking.  By the time the dog is put into drive and has target lock, enough time will have passed that a person could reach the White House doors.    You have to understand how things work before suggesting solutions to the problem.  Some very smart and capable people spend a lot of time coming up with SOPs to fit all the scenarios they can imagine. 

Is this common, a trucker stealing his own freight and ransoming it to his company? 

  They did, and they released the dogs.  Problem is, taking a dog from just hanging out to chasing someone down for the bite isn't an instantaneous action like pulling the trigger.  The reason that it works for LE and Military is because there are preparatory events which cue the dog into drive.  You can't just have a dog on a spring, waiting for a bite all day long.  Doesn't work that way.

  Yeah, I just bit the bullet.  These can't get any lower in price no matter how much the market gets flooded.  I just got a deal negotiated with Botach for a slightly better price.  Even if the Dems don't go full guntard (which they will), I can still sell these any time and get back what I have in them.

  Where you seeing these for $6.70?  I've looked everywhere.  Cheapest I've seen them is 13 mags for $100, which is about $7.60.

This is one of those attacks that could be accomplished by well trained, disciplined terrorists.  The reason why there isn't such a concern from home grown terrorist groups is because that attracts people of a certain personality, who really don't believe in a cause; they're just looking for a legitimate outlet for violence.  Folks like that suck at opsec and keep getting caught.    The ones we have to worry about are the ones being recruited and trained in ISIS held territory.  Anyone who thinks that is not happening doesn't grasp how these people operate.  Our best defense from terrorist organizations since 9/11 has been the incompetence of our enemy.  They have had limited funding due to us freezing cash world wide, and their pool of recruits has left a lot to be desired.  ISIS doesn't have that problem.  They have an army of young recruits from around the world to pull from.  They have more cash than al Qaeda ever had.  They will strike us, and they won't be looking to hijack planes again.  The type of attack which occurred in Kenya is exactly the type they will try here.

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  It is?  The President doesn't set the payscale for Secret Service agents.  Besides, if they were making so much more they could afford to pay their hookers instead of stiffing them.

Thing is, folks in these positions have to make decisions based on what they know, not what may be.  You bring up the possibility of this person having a bio-weapon or being the bio-weapon himself.  I'm not saying that isn't possible, but an agent isn't going to make that call to use deadly force just because that MIGHT be the case, especially when he might just be some lunatic who just wanted to run across the White House lawn.  Hell, when Clinton was in office a guy flew a plane into the White House lawn and they didn't even break out the stingers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Eugene_Corder   Now, had there been a recent intelligence brief to agents that someone may try to breach the perimeter in order to release a bio-weapon, you can bet your butt they would've shot this guy once he crossed a certain line.    Along with the plane crash, not too long after that a dude unloaded a whole magazine from his AK47 right there at the fence, shooting toward the White House with the President inside.  Secret Service not only didn't shoot him, but the man was subdued by civilian passersby. http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/30/us/gunman-shoots-at-white-house-from-sidewalk.html   And, by the way, the crazy woman using her car as a weapon wasn't shot by Secret Service.  She was shot by the police.   C'mon, seriously.  With all the crazy crap that has happened there, faulting the Secret Service for not shooting an unarmed crazy for running up to the White House doors is ridiculous.  The President wasn't even there, and it turns out the guy couldn't have hurt anyone. 

  Budget cuts.  PBO wouldn't approve unit purchase of cipher locks.

  Could well be.  I was reading a story which talked about the SOP being to release the dogs.  Problem with that is, that's not how those dogs work.  Yeah, they'll chase a dude down and try to drag him across the lawn, but it's not as if they sit in a cage ready to pounce.  They have handlers, and those handlers have to get those dogs in drive and get them to get target lock.  Much different than a LE/Military dog, which may have already gone through a series of preparatory steps before being released.   It's difficult to be on standby all day long and have a dog that can go into drive and get target lock in a split second.  It just doesn't work that way, especially if the dog wasn't immediately located right where it would see some idiot running across the lawn.  From the account though, they still were on him fairly quick.  I'd say they should change that SOP of releasing the dogs on folks who don't appear to pose an immediate deadly threat, and transition to something more immediate, such as rubber bullets or pepper balls.  Wouldn't take much to have a dedicated less than lethal agent posted on the roof along with the armed security.

  There is a lot of noise to wade through on Google.  Just wondering if there is something specific that has tarnished the reputation of this business, such as taking cash and not delivering or refunding.  Just about every online firearms/firearms accessory retailer got lambasted for poor customer service during the Great Craze.  Not all of them deserved it.  I just don't want to drop a lot of dough if they have a history of theft.  I couldn't care less on wait times.  I'm patient.

    Any specific anecdotes regarding their business dealings which would preclude folks like myself from purchasing from them?  I just went back and forth with them on an offer to buy bulk at a really good price.  Would like to know whether or not they're is some story about them stealing from customers.

  Whether or not an admin on this site is a government agent is irrelevant to the point I was making. 

  True, there is a history of ambitious ATF douchebags who try to create criminals to catch rather than find actual criminals, but as for there being some kind of inventory, I don't see how that would matter.  I could have an inventory with an M2 .50, RPG and a diamond encrusted AH-64, but unless those items still exist and found in the possession of someone I sold it to, the proof required for a case isn't there. 

  They assessed him as not being deadly threat so they didn't use deadly force.  Isn't that what we expect from law enforcement?     This person was assessed as a deadly threat.  She repeatedly tried to run over police officers and nearly killed a few pedestrians with her several ton weapon.  The fact she had a baby in the vehicle is inconsequential for two reason:   1. Law enforcement didn't know she had a baby in there,   2. The baby in the back didn't make her any less of a threat.   What in the world does this case have to do with someone who wasn't posing a deadly threat?  He isn't the first one to breach the grounds, and Secret Service does not have a "shoot on sight" order for trespassers.    Why are people so worked up over this?

Good lord, our government's obsession with barrel lengths... how is this news, why would the police care and why would this "good Samaritan" go through the trouble?  If I discovered that a barrel was too short after buying something like that in bulk, it's too easy to junk the barrel and get a new one.  Not like it's a machine gun or a bazooka.

  Absolutely, but I haven't had any issue with a normal milspec trigger group; there is plenty of recoil on your average carbine.  When I was looking to run one of these on my S&W 15-22, I lightened up my trigger to ~ 3 lbs with the help of our resident SME, Dolomite.  I was able to get it to run, but not as consistently as I wouldn't like.  If I had one of these single stage 2.5-3.5 drop in triggers I could probably do it, but just not going to spend that kind of money.  I wouldn't recommend anyone spend that kinda cash if they're just going to run it on a 5.56 rifle.  It will run fine once you get the hang of it.  It took me one mag, practicing bursts of 3-5 rounds to master the technique.  After that I could shoot it accurately just fine.   I haven't had the chance to use one of the AK SlideFire stocks, but they look like they jump around too much due to the way they're designed.  The AR version is far more manageable.

So if one of the TGO admins ask for a moment of silence in this thread, are they compelling its participants to lead in the Lord's prayer?

  Gotcha.  I only read that once when first posted and forgot he had mentioned that.  Based on other posts I thought there was something in the news I wasn't seeing.   I would hope that local LE is investigating any threats, but it's probably safe to assume they're coming from "tolerant" folks in places like NY and CA.

  My wife is half German so I do like to give her a hard time about the Nazi thing.  She likes to remind me that her grandfather, who is from the German side, fought in the US Navy during WWII.  I'm all like, "yeah, but against the Japs.  He thought they were an inferior race!"   She rolls her eyes a lot.

  Only two of the three links worked for me, but I didn't read anything about threats to the cheerleaders.  Did the other article cover that? 

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