TMF

God I hope there isn't a revolution in my lifetime, cause I'd lose my mind trying to organize and train so many Rambo yahoos that have been looking forward to such an event. It'd be a challenge to fight the urge to choke the s*** out of them as they emerge from the relative safety of their mom's basement, donning all the tactical gear they scored at a gun show and then realizing that there is more to war than arguing with a 9 year old on XBOX Live over which is more reliable: a SCAR or an STG77, while neither sees the obvious flaw in their respective arguments which is that neither has ever held one let alone employed one in combat. Rant off.

I gotta be honest, I woulda shot the guy out of anger. Pellet gun or not, he shot the guy 20 friggin times. You know how many seconds it would take the average person shooting a slow cycling pellet gun 20 times? Long enough for me to get good and pissed and end the nonsense decisively. Besides, eyesight is a pretty good reason for me to shoot a person over anyway.

Then where would I put all my tough guy morale patches?

Where does Janet Reno hang her hat these days?

[quote name="DaddyO" post="877163" timestamp="1357474899"]Maybe they should be sworn in using something other than any type of religious text.[/quote] Like the Constitution perhaps. But then again, although that document is just shy of holy, I don't believe it means much to most of them. A man's word isn't valued as it was 200 years ago either. Really the oath they take should be bound by law, so in the likely event they violate their oath the criminal implications should be severe, but as is evident, we can't expect punishment of our leaders when the inmates are running the asylum. This post made me sad.

The numbers here don't reflect that. I get what you're saying about Europe. They dug their own grave in that respect, but if we accelerate the timeline in regards to immigration, we simply don't have a large volume of Muslims coming in to matter. Places like Dearborn exist because they have consolidated to maintain familiar surroundings, but that is no different than Chinatown in every major city in America. For every one Muslim that immigrates to this country there are a hundred Catholics spilling over the border to the south, so we should be more concerned with the mackarel snappers subjecting us under the rule of the Vatican before we worry about Muhammed telling our daughters to cover their faces.

[quote name="DaddyO" post="877152" timestamp="1357472766"]I don't understand why people refuse to believe that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. It is a known fact from their writings that many of the founders were deists.   Why is that so hard to accept?[/quote] I'll accept it just fine. I just don't think it is an exclusionary clause. Perhaps if it was they would have put an amendment in there that specified that these freedoms only apply to those that believe that Christ is their savior. I refuse to believe it was implied.

[quote name="Lester Weevils" post="877129" timestamp="1357454539"]Thanks TMF   but in advanced age often one becomes not only less sensitive to quiet sounds, but MORE pain-sensitive to loud sounds. It can be painful and disorienting, even outside. [/quote] ...especially when it is the awful music of today's generation.... hurts my ears too!

[quote name="billyscott" post="877116" timestamp="1357451449"]I've thought about this myself. The temporary loss of hearing after firing a weapon without protection. Silencer on the home protection weapon?[/quote] Shooting indoors w/o earpro is much different when you're doing it to survive versus shooting at TVs the way Elvis did. Your adrenaline will keep you from noticing. You shouldn't have any temporary or permanent loss of hearing unless you're using a .50 BMG for home protection. The only time I've had temporary damage was when an AK was fired with the muzzle only a few inches from my ear. Even then, I didn't experience pain during the event, but did suffer some temporary reduction in hearing.

[quote name="ThePunisher" post="877117" timestamp="1357451597"]I would highly doubt their belief in the Judeo-Christian principles of freedom this country was founded on.[/quote] You have to believe in the Old and New Testament in order to believe in the Constitution? I didn't see that in the fine print.

[quote name="ThePunisher" post="877111" timestamp="1357451023"]Muslims don't hold faith in the Constitution. They want to replace our Constitution that acknowledges God given rights with Sharia law that would behead any infidel that would not bow down and profess allegiance to their Islamic faith. We don't have to worry about any foreign invasion destroying our nation, the enemy is already within our boundaries, and has infiltrated into our government and institutions. It's just a matter of time before stupidity has dumbed down our whole country.[/quote] Let's go ahead and put that broad brush back where ya got it from. All the Americans of Muslim faith I knew voted for Bush, hated liberals and some of them traded lead with our enemies. I'd place them in a category high above that of the average American, not on account of their faith, but the content if their character and belief in the principles of freedom this country was founded on.

[quote name="Lumber_Jack" post="877070" timestamp="1357446859"]Auditory exclusion is just your minds perception of the sound. Actual hearing loss can still occur. Is it a concern enough to not shoot an intruder? Hell no!!! I'd go deaf to protect my family, without a doubt. [/quote] I'll agree with this. I've fired my M4 inside a house in which several other rifles were being fired with no earpro in. I don't recall any pain or anything like that. Of course, I have real bad tinnitus, but I wouldn't attribute it to one occasion alone. I'm sure if you have the once in 20 lifetime experience of shooting an intruder inside your home you will be fine without earpro. This is one of those things I wouldn't sweat.

[quote name="Lester Weevils" post="876823" timestamp="1357428405"]   Tis painful to me shooting a pistol outside without hearing protection. Inside would hurt.[/quote] No it won't, I promise.

I'm an equal opportunity offender, so it is no more offensive to me for a Christian to swear an oath on the Bible than it is for a Muslim swearing an oath on the Quran. It's their business what they believe in, and swearing such an oath before whatever God they believe is what I suppose is the intent of the whole ceremony in the first place. It would be meaningless for a Christian to swear an oath on the Quran and vice versa, wouldn't you agree? At any rate, I have stood before Muslim courts on several occasions and swore in as a witness with my hand on the Bible. It didn't seem to bother them, probably since they were the ones that produced the Bible. I don't see why it should be any different in a place that has a Constitution which acknowledges certain God given rights. It doesn't seem logical to think otherwise.

[quote name="DaddyO" post="876516" timestamp="1357402896"]God told Abraham that His name was Jehovah, not Allah.   It's not for me to judge whether someone else is a Christian or not. That is between him and his maker. I do not doubt that Romney walks the walk of his faith.   Evangelical Christians and Mormons have much more in common with one another than either have with Muslims.[/quote] But is one's closeness to the religious beliefs of the founding fathers a measurable thing which should deny or grant access to public office? Certainly not in the home of the free. So why would/should someone who does not believe in Christianity swear an oath on a book that means absolutely nothing to them?

[quote name="DaveTN" post="876493" timestamp="1357401439"]DD214[/quote] That's what I figured. So just a DD214 and some ID and I can just take one of these home for less than 600? Looks like a road trip in my future.

[quote name="DaddyO" post="876475" timestamp="1357399844"]Christianity teaches that they are not the same God; therefore, Allah is a false god according to Christian doctrine.[/quote] Not according to them though. How would it be different if Romney had of won the Presidency, since he is a Mormon? Lotta folks don't consider Mormons to be true Christians although they do.

[quote name="TankerHC" post="847493" timestamp="1353217680"] You can fill out the forms before you go or you can do it there. I have bought from them 5 or 6 times, the paperwork is not much. Since they are Uncle Sam, they can ship the guns right to your door (Or you can take them home with you if you want to pay the tax). Anyone who can legally buy a gun can buy there if they meet a few requirements, retired Military (They keep my ID on file), Veteran, LEO, member of a range or R&P club or some club that is CMP affiliated. They used to have a requirement that if you were member of a club you had to have shot at least one High Power match, dont know if thats still required or not. You can go to their website and read all the requirements, or you can call and speak to one of the ladies up front or Mike or Leon. They can all tell you.[/quote] How do they confirm veteran status?

[quote name="Tempest455" post="876417" timestamp="1357395180"]Guess we have to disagree. I'm not talking about the person, rather the faith. I think there is a fundamental difference between a religion that says it's OK to lie and one that does not.   But that's just me.  :)[/quote] I was referring to the politicians who have sworn on the Bible. I don't believe that has stopped 99.9% of them from lying to the faces of the American people, so how does one swearing on the Quran make a difference?

[quote name="Tempest455" post="876410" timestamp="1357394139"]Does the Bible say it's OK to lie?[/quote] No. Has that ever stopped a politician before? Kinda makes the whole thing pretty moot, dontcha think?

[quote name="DaddyO" post="876394" timestamp="1357391350"]The same one the founders acknowledged - the God of Abraham.[/quote] Muslims worship the same God of Abraham and consider Jesus Christ to be a Muslim. In regard to the OP, to be offended that folks are being sworn into their positions with non-Christian scripture is to presuppose that all those who are actually believe in Christanity. Do you think most do? Maybe half? I think 1/3 would even be a stretch. Why get worked up over folks coming into Congress as believers of other faiths when the majority of those who currently occupy Congress aren't believers in anything more than the Almighty Dollar? Seems a little silly, in my opinion.

I would say that if things have gotten that bad that you must move that amount of distance on foot cross country instead of using roadways, things are bad enough that folks will be shooting trespassers quite regularly.

[quote name="TGO David" post="876353" timestamp="1357377155"]Are you getting blocked on your native IP?  We had to block some address ranges at the firewall earlier.  Yours might have gotten caught in the dragnet accidentally.[/quote] I'm temporarily out of native country, so I'm blacklisted.

Looks good, even if I have to use an IP randomizer to see it.

[quote name="QuietDan" post="876298" timestamp="1357361729"]Active duty Marines and other active duty personnel cannot communicate in this manner. Retired and separated military personal can. Have at it![/quote] No, I think he is in the clear here. Servicemembers can write disapproving letters to their elected leaders all day long. I sure did my share of letter writing when I was in and made sure to let them know I was currently serving.