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  Seems like that is normal if they are investigating a crime.  I don't worry too much in regards to paper trail for, say, a database.  Think about how many FFLs one gun dealer has on file.  It would nuke an ATF agents entire week to copy documents from just one place, let alone comb through the data to create a data base.  It would be an impossible task.

Similar thing happened when I was growing up.... we lived in the country off a county road and a drunk guy decided to flip his car a few times into one of our trees at 2 am. Our house is far enough from the road that it didn't wake anyone up, but the sound of him outside our house screaming for help did. Dad goes out with a shotgun to to greet this guy who is covered in his own blood and rambling drunk. Dad is a State Trooper.... the man's luck did not improve from there.

This guy woulda been dog food.

Having worked for them while I was in the Nasty Guard, I'll say they are very, very pro-vet. In fact, back then you could keep your position (with raises) if you entered active duty... I think there was a cap of 6 years. So a guy I went to high school with went back to work at Walmart after being in the Marine Corp for several years and his time in service at Walmart is counted for all those years. He is an assistant manager now.

New Yorkers are probably buying them all up online. Looks like they're about to get bent over good.

Oh, and the place I used to drive 45 minutes to has since burned down.

I guess what I mean is I don't want a private business to regulate the cost of a personal sale. I already do this for guns I have shipped in the mail and have to drive 45 minutes because one local gun shop won't do it and the other charges $100. You have to think big picture, not just within your corner where you have the benefit of a dealer with a degree of ethics.

Closing "loopholes" as the antis want it will absolutely restrict my ability to buy sell and force me to be at the whim of a private business when it comes to that. Perhaps if it was done through your local LEO at no charge I wouldn't be so vehemently against it, but if they changed the law it would be an additional 50 bucks (or a lot more since gun stores could really stick it to you then) just to purchase an item. There has to be a responsible way we can restrict sales to felons without screwing over law abiding citizens, but the latter doesn't seem to be a concern.

[quote name="monkeylizard" post="884775" timestamp="1358188513"]   For fishing it would be a fileting knife over 4", or maybe some of you bonk the catfish over the head with a club....[/quote] I call it the "Sarah Palin" technique.

[quote name="monkeylizard" post="884753" timestamp="1358187810"]   Keep in mind that the defence you're focusing on in 1308 is only if posession is "incident to" the activity. A firearm while camping w/o an HCP is a no-no as a firearm is not incident to camping, but a machette for chopping firewood would be fine. [/quote] So then what's the deal with fishing? I've seen some big catfish, but not so big I need a sidearm for it.

Haha, I can't wait until they chase out all business and folks with brains. Wall Street is the only thing that keeps New York relevant anymore.

[quote name="Jonnin" post="884728" timestamp="1358186202"]If this keeps up, we could band together to ask the TN govt to form up a state sponsored one...[/quote] I would likely join one if we had one similar to Georgia's.

My concern is the mid-term elections. I'm not too worried about what is going to happen between now and then. As we have seen, gun grabbers are losing steam fast, even as they make it the #1 topic of every talk show. I think we're going to win this round, but if we lose at mid-term we will lose big. All the worries we're having right now will become very real.

I didn't.   

    We fill up just about every thread with how effed up the media is.  I don't think anyone with half a brain could disagree.  But whether this was done with a gun, airplane, scissors or a slap chop, it would still be top news for a significant period of time.  The difference between this and the collective gang violence in all the major cities is that this was one event, carried out by one person.    The news is designed to sell.  If the news ran the top story of a kid being killed by gang violence every single day, people would get sick of reading it and stop buying that paper or clicking on that link.  For example, people finally got tired of seeing grief stricken parents paraded across the TV and tuned out, so now they aren't doing that anymore.  Now it's strictly about agenda.    I don't think I can find anything in your post that I disagreed with, especially the part about folks getting their 15 minutes of fame due to a tragedy.  I remember seeing some 8 year old on the news the day of the shooting and he's describing the event.  What f***ing parent would allow that to happen???  What parent would want their child to relive that moment again on national television before they've even had a chance to get him home, decompress and hug him like you'd never let him go?  Yeah, it disgusts me too.   But what really, really disgusts me is when someone uses this tragedy as a political tool (on either side) and starts spouting conspiracy and accusing parents (who have lost their children) of being in on it.  Absolutely disgusting.  The same as those disgusting wastes of oxygen that accused 9/11 victims' families being in on the conspiracy, as if all the people on those planes are living in Tahiti now.  That's what makes me mad.  I hope to God that none of the low lives accusing these parents ever have to experience the grief of losing a child, but if they did I bet they wouldn't be saying what they're saying right now.

  Yep.  Of course there is a slant, and from the moment this story broke liberal media was already pushing the hi-cap mag and assault rifle agenda.  Got it.   One thing that can't be slanted is the death toll.  Those kids are dead and that lunatic shot them.  In order for either of those two facts in my previous sentence to be false it would require no less than 300-400 people to be in on the conspiracy.  Can you find that many people who can keep a secret, especially such a lucrative one?   I tell you what, for those who think this is such a big conspiracy that these parents are just actors and these kids never existed I have a challenge for you.  Go and seek out these families you claim are falsely grieving for the cameras.  Seek them out and tell them to their face that they are actors all a part of some conspiracy.  If you aren't willing to do that then STFU.  I can't even fit into my head what it's like to lose a child, let alone be accused of being part of some insanely impossible conspiracy to take away your guns. 

Man, this thread gets me wondering what folks would say if 9/11 happened while Obama was in office.  Dear God people, is every tragedy going to be turned into a sinister plot just because you don't like who is in the White House?  I'm embarrassed to have even seen this thread here.

  Yeah, just like all those tanks, armored personnel carriers, attack helicopters and bomber aircraft that allowed the Soviets to defeat the Mujahadeen... oh wait. 

[quote name="EB-SF" post="884410" timestamp="1358143603"] I think we can take off the tinfoil hats, there is no great conspiracy.......[/quote] .... or so the Germans would have you believe...

[quote name="LINKS2K" post="883861" timestamp="1358106223"] I see what you done there.[/quote] Can't pass up an opportunity for a Ray Liotta reference.

I love the idea of a militia. I would gladly join one if there was one that existed which wasn't populated by white supremacists and anti-gov whackos.

[quote name="Worriedman" post="883646" timestamp="1358091017"]You could have pictures of him taking the money, with marked bills, and it will be of no consequence.  We celebrate our Democrat criminals in congress, e.g. Charles Rangel.[/quote] I thought everyone kept $80,000 in cash in their freezer. No?

[quote name="DaveTN" post="883610" timestamp="1358087746"]Just curious. The wall thickness of the hollow point in that picture appears to be about 1/4 to 3/8 inch thick. I don’t think they would expand. It appears to me that they would just screw up any aerodynamics of the round.[/quote] Oh, ha. I thought you were referring to the practical application.

[quote name="DaveTN" post="883586" timestamp="1358085920"]I thought this was a joke. But I’m curious as to why you would even want a 40MM to be a hollow point?[/quote] Because, why not?

I really, really hope there is proof. I don't want to get all worked up if I ain't even getting passed 1st base.