Radlink54

Amazing that Mayor Briley of Nashville willing to flat out state in CNN post news conference interview that "we need to join the rest of the civilized world and make sure only people that can demonstrate a 'real need' for guns have them". He's willing to state he is not willing to stop with those nefarious assault weapons. (I guess he's taking his lead from the mayor of London who stated no one has a reason to carry a knife...that's how it is now going in Britain). Briley clearly wants no part of the 2nd amendment. The gloves are coming off. I think the only question remaining is not whether another assault weapons ban is enacted as soon as enough Gen Z under 20's can join the millennial voters. The question is what sort of confiscation laws will be passed.

If someone made me cull through the herd, the cz's would be the last semi autos to go. I continue to increase my appreciation for hammer fired over striker in some situations. I have several including 75 stainless which I agree is mostly a range gun but sure as hell makes you look good at the range. I use p09 for a backup gun in a separate location of my house. Lots of rounds at a backup location. Probably the least ergonomic CZ, reminds me of an FN product. Not withstanding the above, I like others would love to get a p10, that's on the list investigate...may replace my Walther PPQ if I can find the one I want. Again its about the unique feel of these handguns. My favorite is this one with upgraded night sights. I carry this especially on trips out of town. CZ ergonomics make me a better shooter. http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-d-pcr-compact-black-alloy-9mm-14-rd-mags/

Here is a copy of the letter sent to my rep today with copies to a few others on the Civil Justice Subcommittee. I don't know a whole lot about the TN Firearms Association but they seem to be trying to improve the bias in this supposedly gun friendly state...the bias that exercising your 2nd amendment right is a "privileged exception" to a crime, rather than one of the enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights. The info in italics is from an email blast from the TFA. I don't know the predominant feelings on this forum about the TFA good or bad, but as far as I can tell they are trying to do more to improve gun rights in TN than the NRA or anyone else. Unfortunately all the supposed pro 2nd amendment Republicans we think are going to improve things....never produce. Honestly my hot button topic remains removing the potentially onerous criminal penalties for carrying past a sign ( yes I know the issues below are of potentially greater import), but these guys in the legislature have no intent on improving anything, even though our supposedly pro 2A politicians have both the legislative and executive branches finally under the same party. Its time to call these guys out. "Representatives Sargent See the information below in italics from the Tennessee Firearms Association. Republican legislators continue to fail to support 2nd Amendment rights in TN when they are actually in session at the legislature. All lip service during campaigns, but no real reasoned examination of improving the underlying bias in current TN law, that firearm rights are an "exception" to a criminal violation, rather than a basic constitutional right. I am asking you Representative Sargent, as my representative, to prove that you really care about improving the confusing firearms laws in this state. Please demand a recall motion under Rule 53 on each of the bills listed below, and convince the other Republicans including those on the Civil Justice Subcommittee that failing to improve our 2nd Amendment rights under your watch will have consequences in future elections. If these bills need revision, then revise, improve and enact. Don't hide behind voice votes in subcommittee meetings. None of you will be able to hide any longer behind procedural manipulations that lead to inaction, while claiming "I tried my best". You have control of the executive and legislative branches and you have the ability to improve our laws regarding firearms. If you can't or won't tackle these issues then don't expect our support in the future. Andy Holt had HB0493 which is the constitutional carry legislation supported and written by TFA. According to the legislative status page on this bill, the "nayes prevailed" on a voice vote which means that not a single member of the committee wanted to be recorded as voting yes on the bill. Not a single one. Also on this bill, it is noteworthy that the Governor's lobbyist asked to be heard at the podium to announce that the Governor opposes Constituitional Carry legislation. Andy Holt also had HB1006 which is the improved civil immunity legislation that TFA wrote. This bill would have required law enforcement to consider whether a situation involved justifiable self-defense before arresting a civilian. That is, it would have adopted a higher level of review in a civilian self-defense case more along the lines of the type of in depth review that law enforcement receives when it shoots. According to the legislative status page on this bill, the "nayes prevailed" on a voice vote which means that not a single member of the committee wanted to be recorded as voting yes on the bill. Not a single one. Micah VanHuss also offered HB0040 which would have placed Tennessee in the same status as 30 other states which do not require permits or other state requirements for open carry. Although this bill also failed on a "voice vote", two legislators - Carter and Moody did specifically request that they be recorded as voting yes on these bills."

Right. Not dealing with the simple issue of decriminalizing the gun sign mess in TN, tells me that the NRA is not really interested in helping TN gun owners. More importantly, none of the so called pro second amendment Republicans are interested either. Speaking as a lifetime NRA member. But no longer a Republican. Libertarians where are you?

If they are asking that, does anyone know what will happen with a lifetime permit? I wish I still looked the same now as say 30, but my kids ask me who the crazy long haired guy is in the old pics, that looks like someone from Narcos on Netflix. Point is, if you get a lifetime at 30, I doubt your pic is valid at 60. Does the life time permit have a pic?

Lost reciprocity with 2 states already. With "improvements" like this, I'm not seeing how our "2nd amendment friendly" legislators and lobbyists are fixing anything.

Yes is would be great if one of our so called pro gun state reps would introduce legislation modeled on MS or MO. I wish the groups that represent firearm interests in TN would push for that. That would be real 2nd amendment support. I know there are a lot of people that think constitutional carry is the answer. Given the idiots we see in the world around us, I really don't have a problem with demonstrating responsibility or proficiency, even on a repetitive basis, to have an enhanced carry license IN ADDITION to basic free rights. Sad that Republican dominated TN legislature does not appear to really want to improve our 2nd amendment rights.

(3) (A) A sign shall be used as the method of posting. The sign shall include the phrase "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED", and the phrase shall measure at least one inch (1") high and eight inches (8") wide. The sign shall also include the phrase "As authorized by T.C.A. § 39-17-1359". (B) The sign shall include a pictorial representation of the phrase "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED" that shall include a circle with a diagonal line through the circle and an image of a firearm inside the circle under the diagonal line. The entire pictorial representation shall be at least four inches (4") high and four inches (4") wide. The diagonal line shall be at a forty-five degree (45 degrees) angle from the upper left to the lower right side of the circle. Not to mention a class B misdemeanor could include 6 months in jail. If you think in the right situation (anti gun city leadership like we have here in Nashville, "make a name for yourself" assistant DA) that it cannot happen you are dead wrong. An attitude of "I'll take my chances and pay a fine if I have to" simply does not cut it for many of us. So once 1/1/18 comes around I would say that it is a positive that the new law appears to require a specific sign posting requirement. That is indeed a big improvement over the previous "post whatever" like many resturarants in Nashville that simply post "no guns allowed" or similar. At the least if I am at risk for a class B misdemeanor it is a big improvement that the signage requirement has been standardized. I still have a big hassle but even up front I can argue the signage does not meet TCA requirements. I agree that any business has the personal right to restrict firearms from their premises. But I don't understand that if you believe ultimately that constitutional carry is a right (like you might believe that a business open to the public must admit any race, creed, religion or sexual preference), that UNTIL you can get that constitutional carry right passed ( which I heartily endorse) that you would not be in favor of the improvement of "decriminalizing crossing the sign". It IS worth the legislative effort in the interim. Yes this is a hot button with me, and I am very unhappy that the NRA and TFA don't seem to care!

I have a PM9 with the black nitride and night sights, purchased before CM9 came out. I find it barely works for pocket carry in my situation. Honestly if I was buying now I would choose the CM9 assuming it is at least as reliable as the PM9. I have no issues with my PM9...cant say the same for my P380. With Kahrs you have to buy and try to see what you have. With Glocks you can almost guarantee you will not have an issue. However I have a Glock 43 and the only time it is pocket gun for me is when it is in its holster in my large sweat pants pocket lounging around home as my "gun I have on me even at home". Too big for out and about pocket carry for me, while the PM9 is usable as pocket carry.

1) (4) An individual, corporation, business entity, or government entity that, as of January 1, 2015, used signs to provide notice of the prohibition permitted by subsection (a) shall have until January 1, 2018, to replace existing signs with signs that meet the requirements of subdivision (b)(3). That MAY eventually improve things. I just returned from TX where their recent debates about concealed and open carry seem to have resulted in every business that wants to post, to indeed use the very obvious and detailed posting signs they have required. You can't really miss them. Right now, absent the changes this new law MAY eventually create, it is unfair for someone to be charged with a Class B misdemeanor because they did not see a 3 inch gun buster sign in the bottom left corner of some door or window. So if you believe that the fine is justifiable, hopefully those of us that do not, will have a valid defense from the fact that the business does not have a compliant sign. Until Jan 1, 2018 we are at risk regardless if someone just scrawls in crayon on the door frame "no guns". 2) "Possession of a weapon on posted property shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises." The "penalty" is removal/denial or arrest for trespass. It would not be a law without a penalty. But it would give you the option before being charged. As I have previously stated for some people it may be fine to "pay a fine if I have to". Many of us have jobs that require we pass frequent background checks, frequent re-credentialing, etc . Even a Class B misdemeanor on our record would at the least raise eyebrows with our co-workers and employers. We would be much better served in the interim to change the penalty clause of the sign post law. That is a real world incremental improvement that should not be ignored in an effort to get eventual constitutional carry.

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Because the POTENTIAL penalty as now written is so punitive, it does not matter that few if any have been charged so far.  What if a very liberal mayor of a major city in middle TN decides to make an example of someone.  If you are like a lot of us with professional license whether you are a doctor or lawyer or teacher or coach...this could destroy your career.  And it could be a true honest mistake because posting has no legal requirement for consistency or conspicuity.   Yeah concealed is concealed but I prefer a legal pass on the front end to a fight on the back end.   Thus a "no criminal penalty if you leave when asked" is an important "out" to preserve our rights whether constitutional carry is in place or not.   Of all the things any pro gun organization or politician could be interested in, I am constantly confused how this has no traction in TN.

So as usual no progress on removing the onerous penalties in place in TN for carry past the multitude of inconsistent, nebulous, and often barely visible posting signs allowed in TN.   We need something like this in Missouri:   Locations Where Not Authorized – Not a criminal act under Missouri law  (See 571.107 RSMo) A ccw permit does not authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into the 17 locations summarized below. (See statute for full details on each.) Doing so is not a criminal act under Missouri law, but may subject the permit holder to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If the individual refuses to leave after being asked and the police are called, he or she may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed $100; a second offense within 6 months is a $200 fine and suspension of the ccw permit for one year; a third offense within 12 months is a $500 fine and the loss of the ccw permit for 3 years.   Numerous other states similar.  Why is no one in TN interested in this issue?

So as usual no progress on removing the onerous penalties in place in TN for carry past the multitude of inconsistent, nebulous, and often barely visible posting signs allowed in TN.   We need something like this in Missouri:   Locations Where Not Authorized – Not a criminal act under Missouri law  (See 571.107 RSMo) A ccw permit does not authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into the 17 locations summarized below. (See statute for full details on each.) Doing so is not a criminal act under Missouri law, but may subject the permit holder to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If the individual refuses to leave after being asked and the police are called, he or she may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed $100; a second offense within 6 months is a $200 fine and suspension of the ccw permit for one year; a third offense within 12 months is a $500 fine and the loss of the ccw permit for 3 years.   Numerous other states similar.  Why is no one in TN interested in this issue?

I saw this and a red wheat version at my local shop. It was a bit pricey but looked intriguing. I guess I need to try it. Has anyone tried the red label red wheat version?

I don't always pocket carry ( nor am I the most interesting man in the world or drink Dos Equis) but when I do.... I carry:   Smith 351c with CT laser grip and trigger job loaded with 7 rounds of Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel + a speed strip.  Replaced a 351 with a hammer, I no longer carry.  Yeah I am a 22 mag revolver fan.   Actually one of the most comfy and reliable options I have found, no recoil and decent round count.  There is something about revolver that breeds confidence that it will simply work.  I've put loads of rounds through this with no problems...unless you shoot maybe 50-60 rounds quickly and the cylinder gets a little hot...sometimes, not always, can start to have sticky extraction problems.  Lets face it, that has no bearing on a DGU situation.   Yeah I know you can diss the round but I'm thinking that in most social situations outside the house it will work.   If I am at home and facing numbers, it just gets me to another option. 

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I have 2 mags with Taran=1 extensions, both work great.  You are paying for aluminum billet.  Slim, almost no change in profile.  The Pearce were not out when I ordered.  So can't fault anyone for going cheaper.  Either way the G43 is great!

I know this is a TN wide forum, but I have told friends and family repeatedly that Nashville, as an "icon" of country music and mainstream America ( yes I know the reality of who now lives in Davidson County hardly matches that stereotype), is a prime target.  Particularly since NY, DC, LA are more hardened targets at this point.   I would not be the least bit surprised if Nashville is on a lot of short lists as a prime target.  

Obviously a little dated in light of Heller and McDonald decisions subsequent, but still a great foundational read for those really interested in trying to maintain our Second Amendment rights.  I love to follow Reynolds on Instapundit (blog and twitter)     "McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010), is a landmark[1] decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that determined whether the Second Amendment applies to the individual states. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states."   Of course the states still vary in their attempts to regulate this right.   The most disturbing thing to remember about Heller and McDonald is BOTH WERE DECIDED IN FAVOR OF OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS 5-4!   Writing for the dissent Justice Breyer wrote, "In sum, the Framers did not write the Second Amendment in order to protect a private right of armed self defense. There has been, and is, no consensus that the right is, or was, 'fundamental."  4 of the nine justices were on this side of the equation.     Yes I know that the court is frequently divided that way now days, but that is a scary slim margin of protection of a fundamental right.

The old farmers around me always told me to keep guys like him around.  They said he will keep the copperheads from moving in!

I agree with Caster very slow start.     That said the potential to expand on HOW society devolves and deconstructs as the true nature of the problem evolves might be interesting and is hinted at in the promos for the next episodes.     TWD is all basically post apocalyptic after first episodes of season 1 ending at the CDC in Atlanta, so maybe FTWD can draw out the issues society faces in the downward spiral, kind of a "One Minute After" mindset.   Drugboy reminds me too much of a young Johnny Depp...hope he comes around!  He did grow a pair when he ran down his old buddy, and seems to be the first to realize the situation with those infected.

The most interesting gun shop to "look around in" is Franklin Gun Shop.  Amazing selection of almost everything to hold and sample.   Now if you want to purchase something at a competitive price Franklin Gun Shop is not likely to be your place.   On the south side of Nashville The Armory near 100 Oaks and Everything Weapons in Cool Springs/Franklin will have much better prices on common items.  On the north side Guns and Leather. On the west side toward Bellevue Nashville Gun and Knife.

Love my PCR...alloy version of your compact. Have a big stainless 75 B and a full Kadet 22 too....yes I am a CZ fanboy! There is just something about CZ ergonomics that works for me. Everyone should try one once.

Thank you Hozzie for a great template. I sent a version to my representative Charles Sargent ( not gun friendly I am told) and my senator Jack Johnson ( unsure).   I agree that this would be a somewhat round about defense to an attempted prosecution past posting by an overzealous property owner or local LEO that did not provide an option to leave the premises first.   It is not as good as a front on revision specific to HCP citizens, but if it could pass, it would sure improve the current situation. I am all for respecting property rights and obeying signage, but I think it is completely unreasonable to hold law abiding HCP citizens subject to criminal penalty for either unintentional carriage past a legitimate posting, or intentional carriage past some of the inconsistent, nearly invisible signs that are present due to an inadequate posting requirement in this state that does not clearly define posting.   I work out at the Y's in Williamson county many times each week.  The signage they have should be the legal standard, not some half ass tiny gun with a slash.  And even with that level of signage, any unintentional breach should get an option to leave the premises immediately.  Not receive a certain criminal offense.   I am 60 years old.  I can't defend my self with just my physical skills like I might have done 30 years ago.  Further, our country is facing a level of evil and terror that is unlike what we faced when I was a boy.  Collective armed citizens were never going to stop ICBM's.  But the new asymmetric lone wolf terrorism that is coming to a place near to you and me soon, can be stopped or mitigated by citizens in the right place at the right time.  Even if you don't believe you should respond except to protect your self or loved ones, it may well be that situation which indeed you will be facing.  You may be in the wrong place at the wrong time while some other target is engaged.    So this state needs to get its act together and fully support the legal exercise of our 2nd amendment rights.  If everyone on this forum sent a copy of Hozzie's letter to their rep and senator might we move the needle?