Magiccarpetrides

Yeah and I just bought an M60, but my cameras broke

Being nothing but a fanboy and having absolutely no military experience I think for the pay that is given working for Blackwater would be a dandy job. However, I also think that maybe if the news media is right (normally they arent) Blackwater outta do better screening of their employees mental background to make sure they arent so trigger happy and possess better critical thinking skills. I do find it abhorrent that the government can use a 1988 (thanks for the source T.) machine gun law to try these guys. Hell if they really did do what is stated they shouldnt be tried for this but for at the very least manslaughter...but then again using a machine gun carries stiffer penalties then murder Hopefully the Justice system will do the right thing whatever that may be but somehow I doubt it.

One thing I noticed with my Sig P6 is that it is more accurate with Remington 115gr FMJ then with WWB 147gr Hollow Points...havent tried it with any "real" self defense ammo....the gun however is definitely reliably accurate for either if dealing with any kind of threat

ALWAYS politely inform the officer that you have a handgun carry permit and that you currently have a firearm on your person (make sure your hands are very visible and preferably on the steering wheel...it also helps to have all the interior lights on if its dark out). They will thank you and usually (in my few experiences..all 2 of em) give you a break for whatever they were pulling you over for.

The part that gets me is they can be tried for a machinegun "crime" committed in a different country. That just boggles the mind. I would call that exigent circumstances.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,463409,00.html Interesting article....

Oh HELL NO....or maybe I would just so I wouldnt wake up next to one....lol.

I was back and forth between the birdshead grip and the pistol grip...so far im pretty happy with the pistol, though I thought the birds head might make for a easier to conceal profile....I have a "breecher" on my Saiga 12, but what really is the value in the sharpened edge Phantom? What is the actual purpose of the edges? To poke someone with or stick to the door or? Have always kinda wondered about that.

"the sky is falling, the sky is falling"

Sounds awesome...definitely get us some pics when shes done

You should definitely hold onto that SKS....im sure if you sell it you will definitely regret it down the road....unless of course your getting rid of it to buy an AK :-D

Arent those called a Master Key or something similar?

I would go with the Sig...I have one...they are awesome...the only downside is they only hold 8rds, but they are easy to carry, easy to shoot, and dead on accurate...also being a sig you can stuff about any kind of 9mm crap ammo and it will still go bang.

Bigger is better, DUH! Carry the biggest, largest, most powerful, exotic, man-cannon you can handle.......that being said if your little girly hands are only comfortable with small rounds maybe a .22 is in order of course im just bs'n use what your comfortable and accurate with...its better to hit your target with a small round then miss completely with a larger caliber.

I believe Tony Siragusa doesnt worry about carrying a gun because of all his mob buddies that carry for him...not too mention his rotund figure acts as its own bulletproof vest. ;-D

You guys might be hating on Dick's but they are still way better then Gander and 75% of the time Bass Pro...Wal Mart might have cheap ammo, but they wont carry sh*t else. As far as chains go Dicks is the best deal runnin.

I havent tried it on a normal length shottie but out of the AOW its equivalent to a NON-reduced recoil slug.....the odd thing about the Centurion is how tight a pattern it holds. Definitely a wicked self defense round...though reduced recoil buckshot might still be the overall winner for home defense. On a side note the shot cup(plastic wad thing) stuck in the pumpkin on the first shot of Centurion lol. Right now the AOW sits ready in this configuration: Centurion, RR 00 Buck (4), and then 4 more Centurions on the side saddle. Definitely the best $5.00(aow stamp) I have spent in awhile!

I heard the street sweepers triggers required some Herculean strength to pull the trigger but they do definitely have a cool factor. I went the Saiga 12 with MD20 route...now if I can just get this thing workin...lol...

If thats a fully....im rediculously jealous and want to know what you do for a living...if its a semi...well that babys still gorgeous! Congratulations either way...that looks like a heck of a lot of fun!

the scrapes on the top of the pumpkin in the 3rd picture are where my starter shot with 12g bulk birdshot hit high....also a good example of why you dont defend yourself with birdshot. All rounds fired were 2 3/4. The big hole underneath was a round of Fiocchi low recoil buckshot, the 4th picture where the hole is gaped out more is from the first round of Centurion which that stuff is just completely wicked.

This was a birdshot, buckshot, Centurion (.65cal ball with 6 #1 buckshot at 1300fps), and slug party on an unused Halloween Pumpkin By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02 By magiccarpetrides, shot with DSC-H5 at 2008-12-02

Good Informative Article From Foxnews.com http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/12/02/jlott_guncontrol/ By John R. Lott, Jr. Author/Senior Research Scholar, University of Maryland Banning guns is in the news. India practically bans guns, but that didn’t stop the horrific Muslim terrorist attacks this last week. A football player concerned for his safety violates New York City’s tough gun control regulations by carrying a concealed handgun, and people call for everything from banning NFL players from carrying guns to demanding that the athlete serve many years in jail. When police can’t promise to protect law-abiding citizens such Plaxico Burress or the victims in India, why don’t we allow people the right to protect themselves? Where is the sympathy or debate in either case over letting people defend themselves? Given that the terrorists smuggled their machine guns in with them, would anyone argue that India’s extremely strict gun licensing and artificially high prices for guns helped prevent the terrorist attacks? In fact, the reverse is more likely the case. Would Plaxico Burress, the New York Giant’s receiver who was arrested yesterday, really have been safer just trusting the police to protect him? Terrorism In India, victims watched as armed police cowered and didn’t fire back at the terrorists. A photographer at the scene described his frustration: “There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything. At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, ‘Shoot them, they’re sitting ducks!’ but they just didn’t shoot back.†Meanwhile, according to the hotel company’s chairman, P.R.S. Oberoi, security at “the hotel had metal detectors, but none of its security personnel carried weapons because of the difficulties in obtaining gun permits from the Indian government.†India has extremely strict gun control laws, but who did it succeed in disarming? The terrorist attack showed how difficult it is to disarm serious terrorists. Strict licensing rules meant that it was the victims who obeyed the regulations, not the terrorists. Academic research has continually found that police are the single most important factor in reducing crime, but police can’t always be depended on to be quick enough. The attack also illustrates what Israelis learned decades ago. — Putting more soldiers or police on the street didn’t stop terrorist’s machine gun attacks. Terrorists would either wait for the armed soldiers or police to leave the area or kill them first. Likewise, in India, the Muslim terrorists’ first targets were those in uniform (whether police or security guards). Terrorists only stopped using machine guns to attack Israelis once citizens were allowed to carry concealed handguns. In large public gatherings, a significant number of citizens will be able to shoot at terrorists during an attack — and the terrorists don’t know who has them. With mass shootings becoming more difficult, terrorists were forced to switch to a less effective strategy: bombs. Bombings are more difficult for armed citizens to stop because they can’t respond after the bomb blows up. Still, even though handguns can only kill would-be bombers before they set off their bombs, during waves of terror attacks, Israel’s national police chief will call on all citizens who are allowed to carry guns to make sure they carry their firearms at all times, and Israelis have many examples where citizens with concealed handguns have saved lives. In their warped minds, both terrorists and the murderers are kamikaze-like killers, who value maximizing the carnage. Even if the killers expect to die anyway, letting victims have guns at the scene can help deter these crimes in the first place by reducing their expected return. Do Football Players Need Self-Defense? Physically huge NFL players admitting they feel threatened by crime? This hardly fits their tough, macho image. Our concern is supposed to be for women walking alone at night. Who can have sympathy for a professional football player such as Plaxico Burress who is 6 feet 5 inches and weighs 232 lbs.? Burress, who has no previous criminal record, now faces between three and a half to 15 years for illegally carrying a concealed handgun with him in Manhattan, if convicted. He was arrested Monday and was released on $100,000 bail. — Burress had had a concealed handgun permit in the state of Florida for the last five years, but he forgot to renew it in May this year. While the massive size and strength of NFL players might make them seem like unlikely potential crime victims, their wealth and high public profile nonetheless make them particularly attractive targets for violent criminals. While “only†two players were murdered last year, that means a murder rate of 118 per 100,000 people, compared to 5.9 per 100,000 for the rest of the population. In other words, the rate for NFL players was 20 times higher than the average for the rest of the country. This is even higher than the most at risk segment of the population -– young black males between 18 and 24. It is even higher than the risk faced by police officers. Last year, the Washington Redskins’ Sean Taylor was killed during a robbery at his house. The Denver Broncos’ defensive back Darrent Williams was killed outside a nightclub. As Tampa Bay Buccaneers cornerback Ronde Barber noted, “We are targets, we need to be aware of that everywhere we go.†Yet, the news coverage doesn’t engender much sympathy for Plaxico Burress. So, what do many NFL players do when they realize that their physical strength does not give them enough protection from violent crime? The same thing that many other would-be victims do — they get guns. Well over 50 percent of NFL players are estimated to own guns, somewhat higher than the 45 percent of American adults who own guns. Not everyone approves. Mike Ditka, the Hall of Fame tight end and former Chicago Bears football coach, advocates banning NFL players from owning guns. Ditka said, “I don’t understand the league, why can anybody have a gun? I will have a policy, no guns, any NFL players we find out, period, you’re suspended.†AOL Sports writer Michael Smith also supports the ban and says, “If you carry a gun around, you’re more likely to hurt yourself than protect yourself.†It would be great if the police were always there to rescue would-be victims, but as the police themselves understand, they virtually always arrive on the scene after the crime has already occurred. Fortunately, just as criminals are deterred by higher arrest rates or longer prison sentences, the fact that potential victims own guns deters some attackers. The Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey, which covers almost 30 years, also shows that having a gun is consistently by far the safest course of action for victims. Over the last three or four years, numerous professional players can attest to the benefits of owning guns. For example, Corey Fuller, the 5-foot, 10-inch, 210-pound defensive back for the Baltimore Ravens, was confronted by two armed robbers outside his Tallahassee house. One robber chased Fuller into his house where his wife and children were sleeping, but Fuller was able to grab a gun and fire at the attackers, who then ran away. T.J. Slaughter, a 6-foot, 233-pound linebacker, was arrested for allegedly pointing a gun at motorists who pulled up next to him on the highway. Slaughter denied that he had pointed the gun at the motorists and claimed that they had threatened him. No charges were filed, though, possibly following Dikta’s rule, the Jacksonville Jaguars still cut Slaughter the next day. Jacksonville claimed Slaughter was performing poorly. Professional athletes’ physical strength hardly makes them immune to crime. Take a couple additional examples. – The Oakland Raiders’ Javon Walker (height: 6-3, weight: 215 lbs.) was robbed and beaten this past June while visiting Las Vegas. He was hospitalized with a concussion and facial injuries. – The Houston Texans’ Dunta Robinson (height: 5-10, weight: 184 lbs.) was robbed by two men in his home a year ago. The robbers bound him with duct tape and stole jewelry. Unfortunately all of the nation’s four leading pro-sports leagues — the National Football League, the National Basketball Association, the National Hockey League and Major League Baseball — trivialize the athletes’ concerns over safety. The NFL’s official advice: “In some circumstances, such as for sport or protection, you may legally possess a firearm or other weapon. However, we strongly recommend that you not do so.†The league advocates passive behavior when confronted by a criminal. Fred Taylor (height: 6-1, weight: 228) a running back with the Jacksonville Jaguars made the point clear: “League officials tell us we need to take measures to protect ourselves. But the NFL says we can’t have guns in the facility –even in the parking lot. Crooks know this. They can just sit back and wait for us to drive off, knowing we won’t have anything in our vehicle from point A to point B.†Even professional athletes are not supermen. T.J. Slaughter expresses no regrets for having a gun despite running afoul of political correctness and being cut by the Jaguars. He says, “I believe legally owning a gun is the right thing to do. It offers me protection. I think one day it could save my life.†It seems a lesson that many who are not quite as strong can also learn from. Toys R Us The media can’t be blamed for some of the left out information and misimpressions about guns. For example, the news coverage over the weekend about a shooting at a Toys R Us in Palm Desert, California gave the wrong impression about guns. It seemed the perfect fit –- two couples squabbling over who would get a toy resulting in a deadly shoot out. Surely this demonstrated the dangers of letting people have guns for self defense. But political correctness made it difficult for local authorities to even admit a simple and important fact — the two couples were members of rival gangs. As Palm Desert city councilman Bob Spiegel told The L.A. Times, there were apparently “two rival groups shopping at the store.†Even stories that mentioned the gangs often left the mention until the end. Unfortunately, commentators at places such as the Huffington Post confuse letting gang members and law-abiding citizens carry guns. As one remarked: “does anybody still think concealed weapons laws are a good idea?†But in contrast to gang members, data for states like Florida or Texas indicate that concealed handgun permit holders lose their permits for any gun-related violation at hundredths or thousandths of one percent and even then usually for very trivial, non-threatening violations. Conclusion When police can’t promise to protect law-abiding citizens such Plaxico Burress or the victims in India, why don’t we allow people the right to protect themselves? Unfortunately, bans do more to encourage crime than prevent it. John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scholar at the University of Maryland.

I dont know but I finally got to shoot my AOW last nite...its freakin awesome!

I think its a good pick...especially since Monte's coming too...its shaping up to be a family affair. At the very least it will make for an interesting '09 season. I mentioned Kiffen long ago in some other thread when everyone else was wanting Butch. ;-D

I have an Eotech 552 and love it...I also have a 3x Acog with amber Chevron and its the cats meow. You can't go wrong either way, but if you want to keep both eyes open and magnification is a must the ACOG is the only way to go. I got mine as an open box special for $850 about a year ago. There was a 4x in the Chattanooga classifieds a couple months back that mousegunner regularly posts up for only $550 used...I wish I woulda bought it. If you can find an Acog at that price its a no brainer.