221 Fireball

Looks like they're appeasing the masses, not the gun experts like all of us here on TGO :pleased:   I've heard magazines called clips all my life, ...guess its kind of a lazy, one syllable nickname that everyone knows what you're talking about even if its wrong.  Here's the actual definition of a clip, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip_(ammunition) ... maybe we should send it to Marlin. I do miss the old company, they made some fine lever actions for many, many years.

Yeah, I found the same 100 packs of .380 UMC at Hermitage WM at $39. Guess I need to shop Antioch. Still think we need to give a few more months before we see a new normal. I'm now shooting more 9mm than .22 ... its cheaper!

CC...I like the element of surprize.

I hear you on that. I'm hoping for good results, but I hope we don't find that the 17WSM is a chronic fouler. My son's intention was that he could use it for a prairie dog hunt and not have to reload a bunch a rounds for the trip. It wouldn't be worth a flip if you had to swab out every 10-12 rounds. I've been prairie dog'n before with my .221 Fireball and you shoot A LOT of rounds in a couple hours...and its a blast.

Yes, cleaned it, and also pushed a patch through after every three rounds at the range, I always have a range rod with me. I've played with these small bore wonder toys for years, so I was suspect to this newest arrival to have some fouling issues. They seemed like some hot rounds, but since it was my first WSM17, I really didn't have anything to compare it too. I've never split a case on a 17HMR.   The Winchester rep seemed concerned enough to have me send that lot number of rounds back. Great customer service as UPS not only picked up the ammo at my door step, but handed me two more boxes in its place. I'm going back to the range next week with my chrono, the new lot and the old lot and see what's up.

A bunch of great folks in our squad always makes it fun, and of course, kudos to Robert S for another challenging COF.

It's funny how we reason about the situation. Most of us can't find ammo to buy (at a normal price) yet we have ammo sitting at home, yet we won't shoot it because we don't know when we can get any more.   Unfortunately the real victims of this whole ammo shortage/gouging mess are the shooting sports in general. Ask any club or range, and they'll tell you activity/participation is at an all time low.   What we really all should be doing is continue shooting at our normal pace, slowly depleting our 'stash'. At the same time we're doing that and enjoying our shooting sessions again... do not buy replacement ammo until it sits in stacks on Walmart shelves again. No demand, the gougers will quit.   No doubt, I'm the odd duck on this and that's ok, but I have not slowed my pace to shoot. Yes I reload, and yes I have a reasonable supply of ammo and components. No, I have no bought a box of rimfire ammo since it got crazy and no I don't have 10-20 thousand rounds of .22 either. I do have about six bricks and shoot it whenever I feel like it. It takes a lot longer to shoot it up than you think. But every day the sun comes up, I'm going to enjoy life and if that includes going to the range to burn some rounds, I'm going to do it. I think many of us get into this hoarding thing without really being sensible about it. Does anyone really think ammo is going away? Do you really need a gazillion rounds for the end of the world? I don't, and life is happier with that attitude.   When I shoot my last round, then I may stand in line for some more...but not until! I shot at the range yesterday and I'm going again this Saturday. I suggest you all do the same and let the gougers choke on what's stacked in their house...which is something I wouldn't want in the first place. Too much ammo, is prone to bad things like theft and house fires...both of which your insurance company will not cover adequately. Check your contents policy if you don't believe me.   This HAS been an interesting thread! :popcorn:   Good day!

The other above bands really rock, but Black Sabbath was the original when you think of a heavy metal intro to the music scene. I first heard Sabbath in highschool in 1970 (I'm 58 now) and they just blew us away. A lot of kids didn't care for them, too different, too loud, but then you still had the Beatles, The Beach Boys, and Donnie Osmond on the radio...LOL. But when I first heard Paranoid...I thought, man, that's badass. :rock:

Thanks Ted,   Of course the bad thing is ... the fast food discounted is exactly the food we should NOT be eating when you get our age! :rofl:

Greg,   I also need 30-30 bullets. If you want to get into casting, I'll give you the 75lbs of lead I have in exchange for a few bullets :pleased:

He, and the other open carry dumba$$ advocates who purposely stage it for a police response are doing us no favors. Laws give us privileges. Screw with the gray matter enough of any said law and someone will move to change it. Carry your gun, open or concealed, but quit looking for a fight with LE to become a news spectacle, because we all could lose in the end.

Yeah, nice shot. Had they been watching, that's when you turn around and say "Hey, not a bad gun, thanks," and hand it back.   Golf balls get their fair share of abuse I guess. We were shooting muzzleloaders on a buddy's farm years ago and his son showed up with a sack of golf balls. Someone came up with the idea that those balls sat perfect on the crown of that big .50 cal hole, so with a slight downrange tilt, he fired his rifle with 50grs of pyrodex behind a patched ball and launched the ball like a mortar round way the hell out there. We thought it was so cool, we all started launching balls...too funny...you could actually watch them fly. Never figured if the patched ball behind it passed the golf ball eventually, or if we were just realizing how slow those muzzleloaders really shot.

I'd sure buy a patch ... or two.

I believe it's "Downfall."

Well, he only has decals, I wish he had patches, I'd buy one. That's why I used a generic TGO. I would think he'd like us to advertise for his site the same as when we put his TGO stickers on our vehicles.

Just passing on an idea that my son (itchytriggerfinger) came up with...monograming our TGO names on our shooting vests to identify who's who at the range. While many know each other by face recognition or Mike, Jon, etc... they might not necessarily put your name at the range with your threads on TGO. This makes it easier and a good gun topic starter while waiting for 'your turn' to the shooting line :pleased: Chris at Custom Stitch in Mt Juliet (615-773-7050) did ours...$10 - $12, depending on how long your name is, and that included a first name on the front pocket.

I now pick up brass at the end of the match, to at least get a percentage of what I fired. But the sad thing is I didn't give a rat's butt before about picking up squat until brass availability and price went to hell in a handbasket. If it wasn't for reloading, I wouldn't be able to shoot. When is the last time you saw any 9mm or 45 sitting on the shelf anywhere? And the days of buying bulk brass from Midway or the likes are over for now.   Maybe next year the ammo companies will get caught up, til then, let those 'brass chickens' be...as long as they pitch in during the match :pleased:

I have some interior trim work I need done, stained, not painted...doors, windows, floors...   Can anyone recommend a good trim guy in the Mt Juliet area (Wilson County) who does good work at a reasonable price?

I'm very humble BEFORE I walk onto the range. It's easier for when I have to keep that same mood as I exit the range :rofl:

Go to GunsAmerica and a couple other similar sites. Punch in mod 14...take the highest price and the lowest price and split it in half...should give you a ballpark.

Triple Digit....its worth $300...I'll be right over!!!!!!

That never happens to me :stunned:   Guess thats what I get for hanging around gun knowledgeable people. Probably should hang out at the widower's bingo parlor to score ... don't go there....GUNS......pervert.  :yuck: 

I left my home state of Michigan 40 years ago ... I love the South, especially the good folks who live here.

I'm with HP .....  trade them both for a Hi-Power :pleased:       Really though, I love CZs...my .221 Fireball is a CZ!

WTF was that?  I just wasted 3 minutes and 45 seconds of my life. LOL