MattCary

  She's my GF (and designer of my avatar.)   :rock:

  Perfect verdict:   "Your Honor, we the jury find no one guilty in this trial. However, we also find that both parties were incredibly stupid. Is there a penalty for that?"

  If the report says 100 ft from TMs Dad's GF's house, then that map is inaccurate, and my earlier supposition is wrong.

  Agree, Robert.   From what I have read, GZ was leaving the neighborhood on his way to Target when he spotted TM.    So he "changed horses midstream" if you will, from running an errand to watching a suspicious person in the complex.   How many of us would "De-tool" for that?

  It's def a black jacket over the gray hoodie, no doubt in my mind there. Watch and see if you agree.     Just watched a video that traces the paths taken that night. It includes Dee-Dee (TM's GF) statement where she says that TM was "at his Father's House."    So, according to DeeDee, TM was home, but didn't go in the house. TM states GM is getting closer, but where TMs house is and where the altercation occurred are at opposite ends of the row. So something isn't jiving there.

Dave, Being a photographer, my gut reaction is that it was simply underexposed/low rez video camera vs. ring light CSI overexposed evidence shot. But, after blowing it up and looking at it and watching the full (three different angles) videos, there is more going on here. He's wearing the gray hoodie; but it is *under* a black nylon hooded rain jacket. The jacket has a big logo on the left chest, and the gray hoodie is visible sticking out the bottom of the jacket. (This is much clearer in the videos.) http://youtu.be/3WScO9r5INU Which leads to the question: Where is the black jacket? Or are we so fixated on the hoodie we missed the release of a photo of the jacket?

  I completely agree with you, Daniel.   I have been thinking, while reading this whole thread, exactly the same thing.   How many people here say they answer the door at night with a gun on them or readily available? Using the same logic applied to GZ/TM: what did that person knocking on your door do that was illegal? Doesn't that make you a Cop wannabe/mall-ninja/over-zealous security guard?   I would bet that most on this forum, given a similar situation: 6-7 break-ins in your neighborhood in a short period of time, perpetrated by an Elvis impersonator, would follow the next Elvis you saw while on the phone with 911 waiting for officers to arrive.   I am in no way condoning what GZ did that night, but as MikeG pointed out earlier, this event did not happen in a vacuum. It must be taken in context with the previous crimes that had been committed in the complex.   And TM was a stranger (or visitor, if you like, not a resident.) I'm not convinced that showing up at your Father's Girlfriend's house makes you a "resident" right away.   And frankly, if even the tiniest amount of cordiality had been involved; I still insist that the:   "Hey, what are you doing moseying around the neighborhood?"   "Oh, just moved in with my Dad and I went to 7-11 for some skittles and tea."   "Oh, cool, have a nice night and welcome to the neighborhood" conversation would have been the most sensible outcome of that night.

  LOL!   Freud much?

  Agree, Dave. I haven't seen any of the blood evidence (other than the blood on the back of GZs head photo.)  Do you have a link to blood evidence? Was there not any blood found on the sidewalk?   If not, how does one get those gashes in the head? Being punched from behind? Hit with something? Doesn't that sort of direction favor GZ more than TM? (Being punched/struck in the back of the head vs. bashed on sidewalk.)

  Also something I noted today from the abbreviated 911 transcripts: Apparently GZ calls when he first drives into the neighborhood, notices TM near the clubhouse/mailbox area "standing around staring at houses" calls 911, watches TM and at some point TM looks at and walks toward GZ's vehicle.  Then runs away.   Maybe it's too many Cop Dramas on TV for me, but doesn't LE always say "Then why did you run if you hadn't done anything?"

  He won't be hard to spot. Looks like he's back up to fightin' weight.

  These maps are pretty significant. (I hadn't seen them until today.)   GZ is assumed to have been at the top of the map, until the altercation.   TM is (assumption here, but reasonable) Moving from the Clubhouse/mailbox area to the bottom of the map and home.   IMO there really is no way that the two meet back up again where they did unless TM deviates from a direct path home and comes back OR hides out and waits.

  GZ said on his Hannidy interview that he was on the grass with his head on the concrete with TM on him hitting his head on the sidewalk. GZ "slithered/scooted" down (while under TM) to get his head off the sidewalk and onto the grass so his head would be hitting grass, not concrete. During the course of this maneuver his jacket rode up exposing his waistband and the pistol was thus revealed.    If I recall correctly, this is where GZ claims that TM said "you're going to die tonight" (paraphrasing as closely as I recall) and the fight for the pistol began.    GZ said at this point, with the pistol introduced into the equation, he knew he was in great danger and fired.     Granted; this is all GZs side. But it makes sense and is at least partially corroborated by the injuries to his head and the grass stains (or actual grass) found on his jacket.

  Audio Rorschach test is what I see. (Especially the "Biblical" "This will happen" one.)

Wow.

I once wrote an estimate for Mike Hunt.   When he said his name, there was a long, pregnant pause between the first and last names.

It's amusing to see the libtard friends I have on FB flipping out over this.   I've been posting "welcome to the party" in reply.

I couldn't make it past the first guy after he said that he'd like to limit guns to only criminals so he wouldn't have to worry about being shot by his honest neighbor.   I'm sure it went downhill from there.

I just find it interesting that more and more they are willing to voice their deepest, darkest feelings about how they'd like to handle what they disagree with, and more often than not, it's some pretty nasty stuff that comes out.   Forego due process and pack everyone that disagrees with them off to camps? That sounds familiar.   I guess when the going gets rough, the fascist really shines through.

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/opinion/perry-we-can-only-save-ourselves-from-kidnappers-at-the-nra/   We finally have in black and white the modern justification for the 2nd Amendment.   It's too bad this idiot doesn't have a broader audience, everyone in America needs to read this drivel and think about the history it recalls.   "No more due process in the clear-cut case of insidious terrorism. When the facts are so clearly before all Americans, for the whole world to see, why bother with this country’s odious and cumbersome system of justice? Send the guilty monsters directly to Guantanamo Bay for all eternity and let them rot in their own mental squalor."  

"These are not the Tyrants you are looking for..."   "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"     "To prevent inquiry is among the worst of evils."  Thomas Holcroft   "To silence criticism is to silence freedom."  Sidney Hook

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/05/obama_to_ohio_state_grads_reject_voices_that_warn_about_government_tyranny.html#.UYbq0XGSKQA.facebook     "PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices."     This left me speechless for a number of reasons...   #1, for the last time: "We are not a @#%^&^#& Democracy!   #2. Someone thought this was a good topic for the Prez to bring up? (Must be worried about it?)   Still speechless after those two.

Excellent! Thanks for sharing.

Every time I see photos of these "featureless" guns, I'm reminded of the SP episode where Cartman is trying to be "special" so he can win the Special Olympics.

My first thought upon hearing the Hannidy interview was: "did he vote for cloture?"