QuietDan

Thank you for your response. I am waiting for Grand Jury action, True Bill or No Bill. If the Grand Jury No Bills the case, as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of it, regardless of mob action or threats. If the Grand Jury signs a True Bill, then there will be a Trial, and the totality of the True Facts will come out. If and when a trial begins, no one knows the sum of the True Facts until the trial is over and the Jury delivers a Verdict. The term, from the Latin veredictum, literally means "to say the truth." The Truth in the case then becomes whatever the Jury says is the Truth, and that Truth does not exist until the Jury decides. In the meantime, everyone who "knows for sure" ANY of the pertinent details of what happened is WRONG and many of them have an axe to grind or an agenda of some sort.

Al Sharpton: Civil disobedience will escalate if Zimmerman remains free If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, the Rev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions. Sharpton would not say the efforts would be taken against the city of Sanford specifically, but he has been critical of the police department's handling of the case. Saturday's scheduled 11 a.m. march from Crooms Academy of Information Technology to the Sanford Police Department headquarters was organized by National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Coordinators said people will be bused in from other states to participate. The civil rights activist and syndicated television show host said he will elaborate on this plan Saturday. "I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn't arrested," Sharpton said, who founded the organization. He added that it was the Martin family and lawyers who first asked him to get involved and nationalize this story. The Rev. Jesse Jacksonis also expected to participate in the event. The case has ignited ire and debate across the nation, galvanizing thousands of Trayvon supporters to the streets and social media, donning hoodies and toting Skittles. Sanford police this week released a video of a handcuffed George Zimmerman apparently showing no visible signs of physical injury after he claimed that he shot the 17-year-old Miami teenager in self-defense. Zimmerman's family have come to his defense on national news networks, releasing details about his version of what happened the night of Feb. 26 when police found the teen face down in wet grass. Sharpton said the recent revelations only underscores the need for an immediate arrest and trial. "Whether he [Zimmerman] had a swollen or broken nose, neither one means he had to take a 9mm and kill someone," he said. "It's not about saying Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, this is about whether there was probable cause to arrest him." He criticized the way authorities have released information about the case and said they are setting a harmful precedent, he said. Sanford city officials announced several road closures in anticipation of the march including 13th street, from U.S. Highway 17-92 to Lake Avenue; as well as, Persimmon Street from McCracken Road to 13th. The demonstration is expected to end at 2 p.m., organizers said. arehernandez@tribune.com or 407-420-5471 or @OSTrayvonMartin http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-30/news/os-george-zimmerman-trayvon-al-sharpton-20120330_1_civil-disobedience-national-action-network-national-association

Perhaps. However, in their arrogance, they would think they can control the mob. They are wrong. That's why they are called mobs.

It's entirely possible that riots are coming; there certainly seem to be forces that are working on making that a reality. There can be a lot of coddling and accommodating and sweet talking to avoid the potential for a riot, but that does not address the root causes driving society in the directions of riot. Ultimately, if pressed, there will be a confrontation between the forces of law & order and the forces of the mob and of chaos. In general, bowing to the demands of the mob does not make the mob disperse. It makes the mob demand more, until, one day, there is nothing more that can be given to the mob. It is possible that, sometimes, the only way to remove the pressure for a riot is to have one, and then have the rioters and society deal with the aftermath thereof. I'm reminded of the armed Korean shopkeepers on the roofs of their stores in Los Angeles. I imagine there is high police art that can defuse a potential riot through proper street-level intelligence and the timely arrest and detention of fomentors, activists and ringleaders. And yet, this does not seem to have occurred. Perhaps it is being planned for quietly and all elements are already in place waiting for the right circumstance. Is it not possible that the "community activist" squatting in the White House and his corrupt Attorney General are hoping that their followers will turn to the street? That they are actively fomenting and subtly encouraging such an outcome? A phone call from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and Revrum Sharpton and grievance-whore Jesse Jackson would stand down and go home. That has not occurred, and therefore it is condoned behavior. The current state of affairs in some sense is a continuation of the Occupy movement from earlier in the year. There is fake-outrage being generated in the Martin versus Zimmerman case; if not that case, then another case would be the triggering excuse. It is all part of a bigger plan. The activists learned a lot in the initial Occupy practice mobilization, and yet our various state and local police forces learned a lot as well. There was a lot of fumbling around looking for the right type of police response, but once a successful formula was executed in a couple of cities, then other state and local police in other locales adopted the techniques to local needs and were also successful. How many Occupy encampments are still active at this time? We need Statesmen in society in circumstances such as these, and I will not hold my breath and expect a Stateman to emerge. I, rather, expect the demagogues, and the opportunists, and the race-baiters, and the slimy politicians, and the "community activists" -- perhaps led by the Community Activist in Chief - to encourage the whole situation to devolve until there are people beaten and cars overturned, or people stabbed and police cars burned, or people shot to death and city blocks burned. I'm still holding out for the Grand Jury's decision in the Martin v. Zimmerman case, and I will abide by it. I doubt that the aggrieved will be satisfied in this case nor in general. Get ready for a long, hot summer. It's all part of the plan. And then again, I might be full of ####. But I doubt it. Have a nice day.

Good answer. Note, however, the " . . . I would be tempted to . . . " segment of the statement. . . . It seems that something in your background has tended to make this issue personal for you, for whatever reason. . . .

Man oh man, if my wife ever came home to a surprise like that, there'd be a "For Sale" sign in the front yard and we'd be living in a motel room. I don't know what kind of snake it is beyond: SNAKE! IN THE HOUSE!! BAD!!!

If I'm reading the new reports properly, it seems that Zimmerman was flat on his back receiving a beating and calling out for help. What did he need to call out for help for if he had a holstered weapon? Sounds like some pretty serious restraint on the part of Zimmerman, getting your face pounded when you could have been shooting. The reports suggest that while lying flat on his back getting his face and the back of his head pounded, his shirt rode up and his holstered gun become visible, and that there was at least a short struggle between Zimmerman and Martin for the weapon, a struggle that apparently Zimmerman won as Martin is dead from a gunshot. I imagine, then, that quite possibly fingerprints from both of them are on the weapon, which has been in police evidence since the initial police response. Just like everyone else on this board, I don't know what happened. I'm asking questions. I'm also waiting for a Grand Jury determination. If the Grand Jury develops a . . . true bill ?? . . . then it goes to trial. If the Grand Jury develops . . . no bill ?? . . . then it doesn't go to trial. If I was a District Attorney working with a Grand Jury, and I had a mob outside my courthouse braying to lynch my suspect, I would tell the mob that I WILL NOT BOW TO THE MOB in any way shape or form. In fact, I would be tempted to encourage the Grand Jury to NO BILL the case as a response to the undue mob pressure. I'd make the announcement from the courthouse steps, with Sheriff's Deputies armed with riot shotguns at my flanks.

Very nice indeed.

Bummer about the car. Glad you're intact, complete with sense of humor. Glad you had a good exchange with a reasonable officer.

Clearly, the horse is "brown." That makes it Hispanic. Though, it does have a couple of white spots on its flank.

You may be right. Sounds like you've come to this thought from long or repeated exposure. I know of a semi-public figure who died "from a fall" (out of a window and down several stories).

Good outcome! If it's not real, it's a drill. Sounds like time for a family drill. You might be able to get another gun for yourself or your wife out of this! After all, "it's for the children!!"

Witnesses report that Zimmerman was wearing a red jacket. Therefore, no blood on the shirt underneath. Red jacket. Blood is red. EMT on the scene. Cops not going to take a bleeder into his patrol car if he can avoid it. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. If the facts accumulate enough to go before a grand jury, then we might get an indictment. Then, we might get a trial, and the truth will become known. The whole truth, or as close as we'll ever get to it, comes out at the far side of a trial. And not before. We are all pissing into the wind, and pissing on each other. I guess some folks like that, or can't help themselves.

Cleaned up, perhaps, by the EMT on the scene??

You are a baaad and mischievous person, and are bringing much attention to yourself.

If the legislators are in the pockets of big employers, and are merely doing their bidding, then the legislators are worse than useless. Why stop at the useless cut-outs? If so, then bypass the useless legislators and apply pressure directly to the big employers. A lot of them thought, perhaps, that if they buy a legislator or two, then they don't have to listen to the public. This is not so. There are ways that pressure can be applied in a gradually intensifying manner. Sometimes, the mere suggestion that such actions will occur is enough to get their attention. This can be conducted in several ways, culminating in boycotts, which is not recommended, as it's like using nuclear weapons; boycotts are a last resort. Burning up company telephone lines with firm, frequent and insistent calls, directly engage customer service personnel, directly engage public relations personnnel, directly engage point of service personnel. I'd feel bad about giving an earful to the FedEx guy on the truck, but if he starts getting an earful, it's going to get back to his bosses. The employees are helpless in this regard, they're not going to buck the folks that sign their paychecks. That leaves the public. That means us.

Sorry to be cold; this is a self-correcting problem. Correct your procedures or your procedures will correct you. Thankfully, there was no collateral damage, wife, children, neighbors.

Very nice!

Well, actually, not . . . thinking . . . more like feeeeeeeeelinggggggggg.

Too Rich!!!!

The Daily Caller has an image of all of Mr Trayvon Martin's "Tweets" from his Twitter account prior to his untimely demise: http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz1qGztV3LT Some of it's pretty foul . . .

As messy as all this discussion is, we're covering a lot of ground. . . .

We live in a neighborhood with really one major way in and out, and yet we are getting a lot of drive-by traffic after 10 in the evening and on the overnights, some of it loud with the thumping stereo and some of it quiet. I've considered installing a trail-camera or two on a post in the front yard, maybe near the mailbox, maybe in a heavy glass box so it can't be easily stolen or vandalized. I'm kind of designing it in my head. I understand that a lot of them have an infra-red flash and are triggered by a motion sensor. I imagine ?? some have timers that can be set for hours on the overnight. Do any have wireless transmission of pictures? I hate re-inventing the wheel, so, has anyone else done this kind of thing? How well does a trail camera work, and how would you pick one (or two, for the angles)? (Maybe I just want to run power to the mailbox area and mount a pair of security system video cameras with an encrypted wireless connection. Are there any "privacy" issues - you know, real actual legal privacy issues? The cops often say that "nothing good happens after midnight" and there may be a good reason for folks coming and going down residential streets at odd hours, but I'm thinking that doesn't mean I don't have a right to know what's up. Thoughts? Pictures? Stories?

As all the facts start dribbling out, we're re-creating the incident in a trial in the court of public opinion. If all this gets ramped up to a grand jury indictment, then there will be a court trial where the true facts come out.

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