QuietDan

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I have more holsters than I have shoes. I have fewer holsters than my wife has shoes.

Invite them to get an HCP with its background check. Trustworthiness established. Problem solved.

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Sounds like a Eagle's Eyrie would be a good group for TGO, like 1911 owners, or Glock owners . . .

I disagree. I'm thinking your property rights end at my car door. A private property holder does not have the right to inspect the contents of my vehicle. The police do, after establishing probable cause. If that's not clear in Tennessee Law, we've got other problems, and this point ought to be made clear before we move forward on this bill.

Nope. Whether you are black, brown, yellow or white: Wander my neighborhood with your homies late at night wearing dark-colored hoodies and you'll still trigger a phone call to the police about suspicious individuals. And, the police will come. Saunter into the local bank with your hoodie up and dark sunglasses on, and the teller will still stay behind the bulletproof glass with her finger on the panic button. Stride into the local pharmacy with your pants near your ankles and your hoodie up and the pharmacist will double-check that the Oxycontin is in the safe, that the safe door is closed and the tumbler spun, and may dial "91" with a finger poised over the "1". Go to the quickie mart at two in the morning with your homie, who parks his rice-burner with 20-inch wheels face out in the slot, and come in for beer and skittles with your hoodie up and your hands in your waistband, and the clerk will kick the safe door shut, and double-check that the grip is visible for the .357 under the register. Nothing personal, just business.

Tread carefully here! If your great great great grandfather was an Lt Col in the OHIO Volunteers, that makes him a Yankee, and it seems to me that a lot of folks around here have looooong memories. Don't laugh. A lot of folks take Civil War history very serously. I live within 10 miles of the Stones River Battlefield, and as much as folks josh each other, in some ways, the Civil War is still being fought, 150 years later. For some folks, it might as well have been yesterday.

Mother Ship foot pad. Did you ever find the other two?

Thanks for digging. A real eye-opener. I think we all like to know when we're being played. It's entirely possible now that there will be no trial at all. The State Attorney on the case just needs to run out the clock with the investigation. If the investigation takes a certain amount of time, the ambulance chasing/race-baiting lawyer will not be able to keep the circus going. The public will become educated, or lose interest, or both. Games go a little differently when you have the other team's play-book.

Welcome to the show! We are all being played. It's making a pair of lawyers RICH. One of the links to a Florida newspaper that expands upon Mark@Sea's and EB-SF's discoveries: Attorneys use bootcamp playbook to press Trayvon Martin case By Marc Caputo, Miami Herald Mar 23, 2012 A dead black teenager in a small town. Charges of a cover-up. A national media spotlight. A public outcry. State and federal investigations follow. This isn't just the story of Trayvon Martin's death on Feb. 26 in Sanford. It happened before, in 2006, when Martin Lee Anderson died after he was beaten at a Panhandle boot camp. In both cases, the same man has been behind the scenes and in front of the cameras: Ben Crump, a partner in the emerging powerhouse black-owned Tallahassee law firm of Parks & Crump. Crump seems to be everywhere. He'll either be burning out cell phone batteries exchanging info with reporters, shouting to a protest crowd through a megaphone or gently guiding his aggrieved clients through a nationally televised interview to make sure the same message gets through. "It's about justice," says Crump, 42. "Too many times, whether it's Martin's case or Trayvon's, our society looks on the death of black boys like they're throwaways. And we're not going to let them get away with it." Crump doesn't do it alone. His partner, Daryl Parks, is just as apt as Crump in the courtroom or in handling the news media. Together, the two lawyers have handled Trayvon's case like Martin's, with one big difference: They learned their lesson six years ago in the boot-camp case. In Trayvon's case, they alerted the news media more quickly. They phoned the Rev. Al Sharpton almost instantly, and organized marches with local civil-rights activists. They also started pressing for federal involvement and alleging a cover-up from the get-go. The results: The Sanford police chief received a no-confidence vote and stepped down temporarily. The prosecutor stepped aside to make way for a special prosecutor. The Justice Department and the FBI have joined the investigation. Celebrities from Cher to Donald Trump have gotten behind Trayvon's case. And thousands have marched and protested across the nation. Even President Barack Obama weighed in Friday on what he called a "tragedy." "You gain some experience," said Parks, who has had a more behind-the-scenes role in the two cases as a matter of coincidence. "You brainstorm. You use what works and you don't stop." Race is central to their practice — but that's because racism is so central to the black experience in Florida. Parks, 42, said he took one case — involving a Lakeland police officer's shooting of the black father of a child driven without a baby seat — because he was appalled by an officer's statement that "You've got to control them." Said Parks: "Who the hell is 'them?' I had a black juror and I made sure she heard that." Parks & Crump won the case. Now they're fighting in the Legislature to get the victim compensated. The two graduated together from Florida State University law school in 1995, opened their firm the following year and began taking on profitable personal-injury and medical malpractice cases. Sandy D'Alemberte, a past American Bar Association president and the former head and law school dean of FSU, knows the duo well and recalls that, even in college, the two had a knack for politics, organizing and supporting the black community. "You have some high-profile people — including African-Americans — who are willing to rip off their clients. That's not Daryl and Ben," D'Alemberte said. "They're real philanthropists … they're wholesome. Ben could have been a preacher with the way he talks." They hail from humble small towns. Parks, 43, grew up in Lake Hamilton, a town with no stoplights near Haines City in Polk County. Crump came from Lumberton, N.C. In his teens, his family moved to Broward County. With a thick Carolina accent and loose-fitting suits, Crump plays up his country roots. "That was my grandma's lawyer, Matlock," Crump says of the popular 1980s television show. "She would say: 'You got to be like Matlock. You don't got to get city-slick with that fancy education. People believe country lawyers.' " Parks & Crump also take on the far less-profitable business of civil-rights cases out of what they say is a duty to their community. Though civil-rights cases pay less than the medical-malpractice cases in the short-term, the long-term payoff has been undeniable for the firm. Today, African-Americans who have a tough case frequently call Parks & Crump first. That reputation was born in 2006 after the lawyers took on the case of Martin Lee Anderson. The 14-year-old collapsed at a Panama City boot camp on Jan. 5, 2006. The guards surrounded him. They beat him, figured he was faking it. Martin died. The area medical examiner said the child died of sickle-cell trait, a rare disorder that rarely results in death. Martin's parents took the case to two area lawyers. They declined to take the case. They then went to Parks & Crump. Soon, word of a videotape of Martin's last moments surfaced. State lawmakers pushed for the tape's release along with the Miami Herald and Crump. The boot camp, founded by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement chief when he was Bay County's sheriff, refused. At the same time, The Herald uncovered correspondence between the FDLE chief, Guy Tunnell, and Bay Sheriff Frank McKeithen that suggested the state police probe wouldn't be impartial. Parks and Crump called for the feds to come in. The tape was soon released. Tunnell later resigned over inappropriate comments he made. The guards and a nurse were criminally charged almost 12 months after Martin's death. They were tried by a special prosecution team led by future Attorney General Pam Bondi. The guards and a nurse were acquitted at trial, in part because there was not enough evidence to prove they maliciously intended to harm Martin. But, thanks to the involvement of then-Attorney General Charlie Crist, the Legislature compensated Martin's family $4.8 million for his death. The Bay sheriff's office separately settled for $2.4 million. The firm's cases are a parade of horribles: a 2-year-old who died after being left in a day care van; a former Boston Red Sox ball boy molested by a club manager; a black motorist shot dead by a state trooper; a group of poor people swindled by a land developer. The work has been profitable. Crump was inducted three years ago into the Multi-Million Dollar Advocacy Forum for winning more than 20 verdicts and settlements of $1 million or more each. "My biggest regret is my biggest victory: Martin's case," Crump said. "His family got something, but I will go to my grave feeling the loss of trust in the system. We saw a little black boy die at the hands of adults who got away." Crump says he wants to make sure it doesn't happen again with Trayvon's case. Early on, Crump pushed for the release of 911 tapes in Trayvon's case, which were recently made public and ultimately cast some doubt on shooter George Zimmerman's claim that he was attacked by Trayvon. Zimmerman has yet to be arrested or charged, prompting Crump, Parks and Sharpton to echo the same calls for arrests that they made in Martin's case. "There is no law firm like Parks & Crump," Sharpton, now an MSNBC host, said. "No one has the credibility like Ben. He called me and we gave this national attention. If it was left locally, this case could have been stuffed in a drawer." Some lawyers shy away from the cameras. Crump says he needs them. "In court, you have the jury," Crump says. "Our job is to get the case to a jury. We need to fight first in the court of public opinion. The jury is the American people." http://www.tampabay....in-case/1221545

Sounds like the Orlando Sentinel went "expert shopping" until they had one with the answer they wanted to hear. Not that THAT ever happens. There are enough whores out there that sooner or later you'll find one that does it the way you like. Testify, that is.

You don't say if you're married or single. If you're married, let your wife use it. If you're not married, use it as a chick magnet. The biggest toughest smartest motorcycle riders carry a spare helmet suitable for a female passenger.

I'm almost finished with the Smyrna Citizens Police Academy and it is well worth it. Interesting topics, officers are decent folks, classmates are interesting.

Went to the Smyrna Walmart last evening afte work with my wife. Three checkouts over, there was a twenty-something guy OCing a striker pistol, looked like a Springfield Armory of some type, with a silver slide and a black receiver. Blue jeans and a shirt, apparently accompanied by his spouse in green scrubbies and other family members. I noticed, but no one else seemed to give him much mind. I was going to walk over and shake his hand, but the timing meant I'd have to run up on him, and I thought better of it. Way to go, dude.

I'm not exactly sure why everyone's got to go to Nashville. We all have our State Representatives and State Senators right around the corner from us. Some of us bump into them in the grocery store or the barber shop. Just because our State Rep or Senator isn't on the relevant committee(s) doesn't mean that they don't rub elbows with the one's that are. I'm kind of making this up, but if a group of TGO folks invited a State Rep to the gun range on Saturday, or set up a Breakfast at a local constituent's restaurant, and bent his or her ear in that "gosh I love you and just want you to know how we all feel" in that sincere/insincere way that could just as easily turn into "cross us and we and all our thousands of friends will work against you in the next election." If THAT message is sent and received they'll talk to the State Reps and Senators on the committees by at least saying "help me out here, they're after my hide." I'm thinking five or six folks at a local breakfast or lunch once in a while could make true believers out of some of these State Reps and Senators. It might not mean running all the way to Nashville. Then you're playing "I'll hit 'em high and you hit 'em low" with Worriedman and Sky King and the rest of the Nashville crew. Someone out here has got to have more experience in this "gentle arm-twisting" that's firm enough to suggest it could turn into "I'll twist your arm until your shoulder dislocates." Otherwise, how does any buying and selling get done? Isn't this legislative stuff just buying and selling and horsetrading? Someone straighten me out.

I'm checking my hands. Yep. They are Warm and Alive. No gun taking today!

This is pure speculation on my part. Given the other reports in the media (which we cannot trust) and reading between the lines of these faulty reports, I'm thinking we're going to find that it was a contact wound, with powder residue on both individuals. I'm thinking that Zimmerman shot Martin in a struggle for the gun, with Martin on top. Forensic reports will tell the story. It won't be CSI with scrolling screens and computer enhancement and video reconstruction, perhaps, but the forensic reports will tell the story. Media reports, even biased media reports, say that Martin came up on Zimmerman from behind, they exchanged words, Zimmerman reached for and pulled out his cell phone, and was decked by Martin. No reports I have read, even the biased ones, say that Zimmerman pulled out his gun at this time, they say that he pulled out his cell phone. The reports I have read say that with Martin on top, pounding him, Zimmerman called out for help. All reports I have read say that the gun did not come into play until after it, in an inside the waistband holster, was exposed during the beating administered by Martin upon Zimmerman. Therefore, it is quite possible that the gun did not come into play until after it was exposed, that Martin attempted to control it, and that Zimmerman in a struggle for the gun shot Martin. All reports suggest that Zimmerman did not lead with his gun, that it was used as a last resort after he was already down, being beaten, with his head pounded on the concrete, with an aggressor struggling for his holstered gun. Other folks can create a different scenario, and the scenario will be refined as more facts become known, but I believe this basic scenario will stand up to scrutiny. I am not saying this is WHAT happened. I am saying it is very reasonable that this is what MIGHT have happened. I read reports, multiple reports, conflicting reports, emotional reports, logical reports, for a living. This is what I . . . think . . . happened. I am still waiting for possible grand jury action, True Bill or No Bill, an indictment if it comes, and a trial if it comes, in which all the True Facts will become known.

Here it comes. Clinton calling for a reappraisal of "Stand Your Ground" laws -- and then what's next? http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/president-clinton-hopes-trayvon-martin-case-leads-to-reappraisal-of-stand-your-ground-laws/

Regarding: Constitutional Carry: Agreed. Agree also, unfortunately, "Not at this time." Regarding: Bill limiting the scope to [HCP] Permit Holders: Agreed, especially "At this time." Regarding: . . .[impetus] to increasing the number of those who perfect their [HCP] Permits: Agreed. Especially "at this time." Politics is the art of the possible, and we have to know what is possible and what is not possible AT THIS TIME. And, that means we also ask: IF NOT NOW, WHEN? Increasing the number of HCP holders is KEY, for the reasons you outline. As hard as everyone is working towards a Constitutional Carry perspective for Tennessee, I agree that the larger the group of HCP holders becomes, the more seriously the legislators MUST take the issue. We can all help with that, with appeals to our spouses, relatives, friends, and co-workers. Bug them to get their HCPs instead of thinking about it and talking about it and having a zillion excuses not to. They'll be glad they did. What are we sitting at? Four or five percent of the Tennessee population hold an HCP? Double that to eight, ten percent, which is do-able, and you've got a real voting block that will carry the day. Thank goodness that Tennessee is a Shall Issue state, the State does have to give one to every citizen who qualifies. It seems to me that, it doesn't matter that an HCP is officially limited to handgun carry, because of the background check, it really is a Trustworthy Citizen Badge. Because it takes real effort with a class and range time, and paperwork, and money, it demonstrates that an HCP holder is willing to WALK THE TALK. The legislators have to pay attention to citizens that show they are willing to walk the talk. For these reasons, it seems to me, an HCP is probably more important than Hunting Licenses, or NRA memberships, or calls to legislators. Correct me where I might be mistaken.

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If restricting provisions in a bill to HCP holders, I really don't have a problem with that, if that's what it takes to get a bill passed. Half a loaf is always better than none. Additionally, more and more people are getting HCPs as a percentage of the Tennessee population. And, if the safe commute goes through with HCP provisions, then that is just one more incentive for folks to get their HCP. Then, a year or two goes by without trouble, and we know it will, then an amendment to the law goes through without any trouble to just roll it over to all gun owners. You're half way to constitutional carry by then. Ok, now leap on me and beat me up. I imagine I'm not the first nor the last to recommend this course of action or be willing to accept it as an interim stage to an inevitable outcome.

This is all jurisdictional. Find out, for sure, just exactly what jurisdiction you are in. Are you actually in Johnson City, or a portion of the county near Johnson City? (I'm looking at your avatar for the city name.) If you are in Johnson City, find out who your city councilman is by ward, or if they are at large. Talk to him or her and describe your problem and concerns. If they don't have the same last name, or are married to each other's sisters, ask for assistance to wade through the process. This will involve the City's or the County's Code Enforcement function. If your junky neighbor doesn't have the same last name of someone in Codes enforcement, and they aren't married to each other's sisters, let them know what your concerns might be and that you are working with the City Councilman on the issue. All of this goes forward much more reliably if you do it in WRITING. If you phone them or talk to them, they might just ignore you, but paper doesn't go away. As much as you might not like lawyers or working with lawyers or paying lawyers, lawyers live in the land of paper. If they are good, they can make the paperwork dance to your tune. Be patient. Be polite to anyone who has any say about your issue. If you are an ###hole to the bureaucrats, they can find about a million ways to screw you over, or make it take forever, or make it your fault, or ignore you. If someone needs to be an ###hole to move it all forward, let your lawyer be the ###hole. You might find out he's married to someone's sister that can make it all work out in your favor. I don't know your town, and what the last names of the important people are, or what their sisters' names might be. It's different in every town; except it's really never different anywhere. I hope you don't think I'm making this up, because I'm not.

From the article: "Not that you will see any trace of embarrassment in the face of Mr. Obama. He has mastered the high political art of shamelessness, wearing it smugly and cockily. Kind of like a hoodie." Here's wishing the cocky little SOB a series of increasingly bad weeks. 6 November 2012 can't get here soon enough.

We all fell because of a snake and we've never forgiven them for getting us tossed out of the Garden. Yeah, I know it's our own fault but it's easier to blame the snakes. (!!!)