dangerdawg

Not a PSA, but a sweet deal for a S&W M&P 15 Sport II for $499 + $12 shipping.   https://shop.whittakerguns.com/product/2370389

I always go for BFG AT's, no complaints.

    I'm glad you've enjoyed yours, from what I've gathered most of these were operationally good rifles, they just weren't new production Polish import rifles as advertised. The term "Polemanian" was coined to describe them. To clarify, here is an excerpt that was posted by Classic Firearms after these rifles were introduced, apologizing to customers for misrepresenting them:   "These rifles were imported into the U.S. By I.O. Inc. through a joint endeavor with Pioneer Arms in Poland. When we were offered the rifles by I.O. we were led to believe that the Polish Radom factory was jumping back into AK production and that these rifles were all Polish made from the ground up utilizing original Polish Radom factory equipment. We received a sampling of rifles and were mightily impressed. The fit and finish was very nice, the furniture was smooth and high gloss, the receivers were marked Radom Poland and appeared to be of very high quality, and the barrels were sharp with nice chrome lined bores and chambers. We liked what we saw. We committed to an order of a few hundred rifles, took some pictures of a sample rifle and posted the rifles to our website. Then we started taking orders. Just another day at the office for us and all was good. In hindsight I wish we had taken a closer look at all of the internals and inspected for matching #'s. In truth we did break the samples down and look at the quality and the bluing of the internals but the finish on all of our sample rifles was really nice inside and out and the only thing we found not pristine was a little powder residue on some of the gas pistons which is typical from test firing and even that wiped right off.  Anyway I.O. already had the guns state side so just as we sold through our sample guns we received our full shipment and started shipping out rifles from it. Soon after these started hitting the customers we started getting a few phone calls and e-mails that maybe these rifles were not exactly what we had represented. We had some reports of internal parts showing some finish wear and mis-matched serial #'s which would not be typical of rifles built from the ground up. As soon as it became clear that we may have inadvertently mis-represented these rifles we suspended sales and made a mad dash to inspect our remaining guns. It soon became clear that we did indeed have some issues.  While all of the barreled actions looked nice, and most of the externals were still really good, we saw varying degrees of bluing wear on the internals and particullarly the lower bolts. Also, we verified that the internal parts that were serial #'d did indeed have mis-matched #'s. We felt as if we had been had. More importantly we felt that we had blemished our reputation by representing the rifles a certain way only to find out that they were not as discribed. We contacted the importer and basically said " Whats going on here "?  It took a little time but we now know the full truth and that is that these are not 100% Polish AK Rifles.  They did come out of Poland, and the primary parts are Polish made and assembled, but we still misled you guys based on some really bad or at least incomplete information.  While some would consider this minor, it's still a big deal to us and we are still working through the details.   In the end however what's done is done and we have learned a valuable lesson. I'll save you all of the " This is an Outrage ", - the - " How Dare You's", and the general grousing back and forth that has gone on concerning these firearms. Instead, I will cut directly to the chase of where we are now on these rifles.  Based on our thorough physical inspection and verified by a letter we have now received from Pioneer Arms... Here is the Straight Story on The Polish AK Rifles. Each of these rifles has a Polish Barreled Action and was assembled in the Radom Plant. In other words every rifle has a new Polish made receiver, and a new Polish made chrome lined barrel. The remainder of the parts are a mixture of new or surplus Romanian AK rifle parts that may or may not have been refinished depending on the degree of bluing wear. Now the assembly work shows every sign of the high quality standards you would expect from Polish workmanship with really clean pressings and rivet work. The Barrels are impressive and the chrome lining is clean from the chamber to the crown. To me the finish is superior to the Romanian built rifles as is the overall quality of the assembly. What we are doing now and how we are going forward.  Since the rifles vary somewhat with the cosmetic quality of some of the parts used we will be seperating the best rifles to hold out for continuing sells. Even though they are not all Polish made we honestly think these meet the quality standards to justify the higher price. We will continue to sell these rifles with the full disclosure you see above. Any rifle not meeting that standard will be held out and its fate decided later. Basically we are still in negotiations on these.  If you have already received one of these Polish AK's I fully believe the chances are that you are completely satisfied... However, if you are not, we want you to be. Please contact us at sales@classicfirearms.com and we will do everything in our power to see that your concerns are addressed. Complete customer satisfaction is our ultimate Goal"

    Now that's a very generous offer !   RH10 Under The Hood Overview -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULUj3Vl_9e4   RH10 Torture Test   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3jxQBjgOnI

  I understand your frustration. If you feel you are going to have to take a substantial loss on the RAS-47, you may as well shoot it, it does have a warranty and Century has decent customer service. Otherwise I'd recommend trying to get the dealer that sold it to you to make a trade or possibly trade it at a gun show for a WASR. 

    Not sure about the disconnect, from my research and knowledge most of the online retailers sold their 2015 WASR's for above $550, closer to $575 most of the year.  Only thing I can think of is that some of the places you saw still had older 2014 inventory and were able to sell them at the previous lower pricing. I did a search of Slickguns for the past year that shows the overall price trend over 2015 - https://www.slickguns.com/search/apachesolr_search/WASR-10?sort=date&dir=desc&title_only=0&hide_oos=0&show_oos=0&categories_filter=3    Atlantic says Century notified them of the price change around October of 2014. Atlantic Firearms & J&G Sales sold the end of their 2014 WASR inventory at the old $499 price schedule in Jan/Feb of 2015, once the 2015 WASR inventory arrived in Feb/March the price went up to $579 at Atlantic and has continued to rise since. Below are links to threads and  Atlantic's posts on The AK Files about Century's pricing structure changes for reference.   http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209700&highlight=wasr-10   http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2390321&postcount=13   http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2398805&postcount=128   http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2484202&postcount=30

    In late 2014/Early 2015, Century informed dealers  (Atlantic Firearms) that prices on 2015 imports (WASR and PAP's) were going up by around $100. This was around the time Century also released their American stamped RAS-47 AK. Some have speculated that this made the price point of Century's domestic made rifle and the imports somewhat more competitive. Around this same time buyers noted that the WASR-10 was coming with newer solid wood blonde furniture and a somewhat better fit and finish overall, so some felt the price increase was justified with the better QC. I don't believe Century has any reason to lower the price on the imports, they aren't getting any cheaper or taking any less red tape to bring in, there isn't a cheaper AK alternative, but I suppose time will tell.   Cugir/Century have just released around 2000 RH10's in the US, this is a WASR with a combo gas block/front sight and dressed in Magpul furniture for $799. This is the same as the M10 that M+M imported a couple of years ago, until Century sued over the exclusivity rights -  http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/rh10-ak47-magpul-ri2424-n-detail.html?Itemid=0   These RH-10's will likely last until WASR-10 imports resume later this year.

    Nice looking rifles ! I'd love to seem them that low, but unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever see them below $600 again as long as Century is controlling the imports from Cugir. 

      The RAS-47 seems to be having a lot of issues lately and I would avoid them or any of Century's American made AK's if possible.   The WASR's were once frowned upon, but of late, there has been an uptick in quality of the imports and the 2015 and newer is highly recommended as a solid entry level option. I recommend you watch some of the AK Operators Union videos. Rob from AKOU has purchased a RAS-47 with his own funds and is peforming a 5000 round torture test on it. Thus far, less than 1500 rounds through it and the internal bolt carrier group is showing significant wear, the stock is cracking and one of the ears broke off the front sight post. It's as if the materials used throughout these is of inferior quality or was improperly heat treated,    Here's the videos on the RAS-47 for reference the first at 500 rds, then 1000 and 1500rds follow -   500 rds -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oUwE7eL-2g   1000 rds -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIyZx7oYXRg   1500 rds -   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PpSluO4-A   As for your other comments, making a stamped AK takes skill along with proper techniques and tooling, it's not like putting a hunk of steel on a CNC machine and pop goes the weasel. The Combloc countries have had the proper tooling, techniques and cheap labor in place for decades. It costs more to get that infrastructure up and running in the USA with a skilled workforce that isn't going to work for just a loaf of bread and a bottle of vodka.   For Reference, here is a recent WASR torture test by AKOU, it performed very well.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfUOfDcLX0I

  Yes, I'm aware how they attempted to profit from the confusion of invoking the Radom name in cooperation with Pioneer Arms which was located just down the street in they city of Radom. From my understanding, I.O. still managed to screw up many of those imports, using the Polish receivers, barrels and trunnions that were imported and then fleshed out in the US with Romanian parts. I have read that at least some of the Hellpup pistol owners were pleased and the imported Beryl Archers appear to be mostly ok.

    Thanks for sharing, sounds like a solid deal!

Looks nice, what's the best Nashville area place/price for a 6720 ?  

    I know, it would have been a good investment. As more imported options are either banned or supplies are no longer available, what was once considered the bottom of the barrel is now a mostly respected rifle.

  Most of the 2015 and newer WASR's have light finished solid wood furniture and older models used a plywood laminate. They are also selling a newer model called the WASR RH10 with Magpul furniture and combo front sight gas block. This is the same rifle that was imported as the Romanian M+M M10 a few years ago, now rebranded by Century as the WASR RH10.   http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/rh10-ak47-magpul-ri2424-n-detail.html?Itemid=0

    Hmmm, somehow I missed that link :)  It's a very nice looking rifle and Atlantic has a great reputation and does high quality work. On the forums I follow people have had no complaints, I'm just not a fan of parts kits builds and condone getting factory built imports while we still can.