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Guess we will never know the answer....

Welcome to TGO!

I like that response! Thanks and stay safe!

Thanks for clearing that up. Stay safe!

Welcome to TGO! I've carried the G27 for a long time.

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Silvertip- you didn't answer my question so I guess what I thought was true.....

The internet is a powerful tool with countless amounts of information (both good & bad). I have been searching and can't find a single document that shows how many accountants were killed while completing a tax return or how many doctors were shot while removing a weird looking mole. No stats on Home Depot employees shot while stacking lumber. How many plumbers were killed while responding to a leaking toilet? For those that don't like the way an officer conducts his business I'd suggest that you put on your big boy pants and go out an do the job. I'm sure your way would be much better. If a LEO wants to disarm me during contact I say more power to them. I will gladly do what they wish because I have done their job. I know what they go thru day in and day out.

I worked in Florida and from what I've seen things are a lot different here in TN. In FL we had a duty to act and here they don't. I've been told by a LT at a TN SO that even while on duty they don't have to act if they see something go down. In FL you won't be on the job very long. Also there is no open carry in FL for citizens, even with a permit. Only LEO can OC. Like you we were on duty 24/7- goes back to required to act under Good Samaritan Law and dept policy. Lots of guys I worked with got permits because it exempted you from the 3 day waiting period on handgun purchases. LEO were not exempt.

Silvertip- you have the SEAL Trident in your avatar. I've never questioned if you were/are a member of that organization or if you earned it thru playing PS3. Don't question my being once a LEO! I think Dave answered your question. FORMER LEO are not authorized to carry. If it will help I'll be glad to post the definition of "former" for you. I know that words with more than 4 letters can be tough for some... FWIW- I know a lot of active officers that also got their permit to carry. They did so because carrying as a LEO, even off duty, puts you under your dept policy and dept policy can be very restrictive. If you are carrying as a private citizen you can respond as one.

It ain't just the police. I had 30 people in my HCP class. I'd say there were 25 of them that have no business owning a firearm let alone carrying it. They passed the class so they'll get a permit. As a former LEO and certified LEO Firearms Instructor I can tell you that odds are a HCP holder's weapon is safer in my hands than theirs...

Well said!

He would have also felt a nice warm mist in the air....

I don't think he over-reacted and I'm not going to arm-chair QB him. The SGT saw a man with a gun on his side and wanted to investigate. Maybe this was due to a citizen complaint or maybe the OC'er was acting strange. Maybe the officer just doesn't see people open carrying guns everyday. Who knows. What I can tell you is that the officer attempted to control the situation and find out what is going on. I won't say the way he did that was right or wrong... it was his way. I think it very unwise to assume that someone is okay just by outward appearances. If you don't believe me just search YouTube for the video of the mother that shoots and kills her son and then herself at the indoor range in Florida. Find the guy that was at the lane next to them and ask him if he thought she was going to do that. Bet he'd say no....

ProjectDexter- I've worked on patrol and in Investigations. I've had guns pulled on me, shots fired from a distance in my direction and a 17 year old blow the top of his head off with a 44 mag just 6 ft in front of me. If an officer that I don't know sees my weapon and draws on me I'll comply with his every command and tell him he did an awesome job after it is all sorted out. Then I'll call his Chief or Sheriff the next day and tell them I'm proud that their officer used tactics to stay alive. LEO make tough decisions every second of every day. The closest that most get to making these is playing Call of Duty on their PS3.....

Good thing for your loved ones that you're not a cop.... Those types of assumptions will get you killed...

Well said my Brother!

What I'm saying is we don't know the entire story. I bet that in Philly you don't see very many people walking around with a gun in plain view. The officer saw something unusual and decided to investigate. Then, when the guy was acting like a DA, the officers suspicion grew further. I'll tell you one thing- for a long time I put on a uniform, gunbelt & badge and went to work. With the way that guy was acting and carry a gun I would have pointed my weapon at him too....

My apologies- I may have typed a wrong letter in there. That's what I get for thinking one thing while typing another :-)

I worked with an officer that was shot in the neck during a traffic stop. The bad guy sped away. The officer made it back to his patrol car and died sitting in the driver seat. He had a young police explorer riding with him. Guess we could comfort the officer's little boy by telling him "glad your Daddy didn't over react".....

The permit holder is a douche. It doesn't matter if his permit allows open carry or not. He should have complied with the officer's commands and let them sort it out....

That's awesome! Thanks for posting. Just when I thought I'd finished the Internet, someone comes along and posts a new site.....

Congrats and great story!

Not even while sitting on the can???