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Thanks Fallguy. I guessing that the restraining order would be covered elsewhere in the qualifications. Maybe: Shall not have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence as defined in 18 U.S.C.A. 921 (33); OR Applicants shall not currently be under indictment or information for any criminal offense punishable by a term exceeding one (1) year;

The TN HCP qualifications read: So if you pissed someone off to the point that they fill out the forms, file the forms with the county clerk, a trial date will be set where both parties attend, then the trial to determine if restraining order should be issued. Assuming you prove that there is no need for the restraining order to the judge, you can proceed with getting your HCP. Go ahead and get copies of the judge’s verdict in your favor. Also you can make a restraining order against the person that filed against you as documentation of harassment. So this will delay certain individuals from getting their HCP if they can prove they are not harassing, abusive, etc. However for those people who are committing acts of harassment, abuse (physical or mental), threatening, etc, we certainly do not want them with HCP.

Who added the amendment to effectively kill the bill?

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(From the Bill Clinton trial..) It depends on what the definition of is IS

However, would the offense prevent you from being able to purchase another firearm if they found reason to revoke your HCP?

Actually according to the DOD, AD and ND have the same meaning. http://www.bragg.army.mil/82DV/FuryFocus/JuneFuryFocus.pdf Retch, Ignore all this nonsense about Glock bashing. Choose the gun that you feel is best for your needs. When I was researching the purchase of my handgun, I went to a few internet gun forums to read various threads about home/self defense. Let me summarize the lessons learned (as best as I can remember): Do not set the safety on your gun (home or carry). You will forget to disengage the safety when SHTF. Also your fine motor skills will be dramatically impeded during the SHTF. Have the gun ready to fire. Meaning, a round in the chamber. See above for reasons and you may not have the time to chamber the gun during a sudden or unexpected encounter with the bad guy(s). You will revert to the level of your training when SHTF. Remember, we are civilians practicing at the shooting range. Unless you pay money to go to defense shooting schools that put you through exercises of moving and shooting, drawing from the holster and disengaging your gun safety, etc, you will revert to the "shooting range" training. This means you are used to the gun safety being off and you plus the target are stationary. Even the "pros" screw-up. I wish I remember the gentleman's name, however, he posted how he awoke to a noise outside a remote range/cabin he was staying. He got up, took is 1911 Colt and chambered a round. Discovered a raccoon outside and went back to bed. Since he did not like keeping a round in the chamber, the next morning he dropped the magazine, pulled the slide. And guess what? No round. He believes he did not fully pull the slide rearward when he awoke from his sleep and did not actually chamber a round. From that day forward, this proficient gun shooter decided to start carrying with a round chambered in the gun. With the above in mind, I decided to use a firearm that fit my needs and not opinion bashing of gun maker X over gun maker Y. I performed my own research regarding ballistics and made my mind-up on the 45 ACP. You will not find consensus regarding gun makers nor calibers on any gun forums. So I went to indoor ranges to rent handguns and went shooting with a friend that let me shoot his handguns. It is worth the time and effort to feel confident of your choice of firearms and caliber. I hope this helps you make a more informed decision.

Not that I am a Hillary fan, but why are so many people voting for her?

Is this the website you bought the DVD Combat Focus Shooting & Home Defense Tactics? http://www.icestore.us/servlet/the-DVDs/Categories BTW: Anyone reviewed the other titles? Shooting In Realistic Environments Advanced Pistol Handling Tactical Pistol Training Tips

AD is not unique to Glocks as seen recently on the TGO forums of the XD owner who shot their hand performing the cleaning procedures. I have seen issues in other gun makers with "blow-ups". Again, not unique to Glocks. Yea, why update perfection. Retch, a good place to start is to go to an indoor range that rents handguns. Try various models they rent and in different calibers. Do not be turned-off by one caliber because gun maker XYZ did not shot well or the recoil in that caliber. Different guns have different shooting characteristics. Regarding calibers, you will get a lot of varied opinions on the gun forums. I prefer the 45 acp caliber.

Not to thread jack, however I wanted to post the story to clarify. http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=7816218 Restaurant Manager Shot and Killed MURFREESBORO, Tenn.- A Murfreesboro man was murdered just minutes before leaving work Saturday night. Investigators are searching for the person who shot and killed a manager at the O'Charley's restaurant in Murfreesboro. It was a difficult day for the workers Sunday, still dealing with Saturday night's tragedy. The store manager was shot around 12:00 a.m., but the restaurant remained closed Sunday night. Police said an armed robber wearing a ski mask approached a store employee as he was leaving the O'Charley's around midnight. The robber ordered the employee to let him back into the restaurant where the manager and assistant manager were counting the money. The robber demanded that they hand over the money. Manager, Nader Bahmanziari, 41 complied with the robber, but was shot anyway. The robber left the scene, and Bahmanziari died shortly afterwards at Vanderbilt Hospital. Friends and the restaurants regular customers paid tribute to his life on Sunday. "He didn't have to kill the man to get the money, and now the lives of the families have been ruined. People will soon be scared to go to the establishment to eat out anymore," said Billy Pearson of Murfreesboro. Friends said Bahmanziari had been working for O'Charley's for about 15 years. Police were still looking for the person responsible on Sunday evening, but they are optimistic that they will make an arrest soon. O'Charley's has offered a $10,000 reward for any information about this shooting. You can also call Murfreesboro Crime Stoppers at 893-STOP.

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Agreed C4Dave. I would like to know the source of the other items before anyone begins claiming them as factual.

I think a better response would be: Could you elaborate on what specifically you oppose of Handgun Carry Permit (HCP) holders from being able to continue to carry their firearms into establishments that serve alcohol? As you know, there are many qualifications that HCP must meet in order to get a permit. Three of the many qualifications are that: Shall not be an unlawful user of or addicted to alcohol or any controlled substance and the applicant has not been a patient in a rehabilitation program or hospitalized for alcohol or controlled substance abuse or addiction within ten (10) years from the date of application; The applicant has not been convicted of the offense of driving under the influence of an intoxicant in this or any other State two (2) or more times within ten (10) years from the date of application and that none of such convictions has occurred within five (5) years from the date of application or renewal. Shall not have been adjudicated as mental defective; has not been committed to or hospitalized in a mental institution; has not had a court appoint a conservator for the applicant by reason of a mental defect; has not been judicially determined to be disabled by reason of a mental illness, development disability or other mental incapacity; and has not, within seven (7) years from the date of application, been found by a court to pose an immediate substantial likelihood of serious harm, as defined in Title 33, Chapter 6, Part 5, because of mental illness; http://www.state.tn.us/safety/handgun/qualifications.htm Thank you, Your Name

Regarding the trigger pull for the revolver, each shot will have the same trigger pull if you do not manually pull back the hammer. If you do pull hammer back, then the only that shot will have a shorter trigger pull. This will make more sense when you get the gun. SA/DA if the gun hammer is in the down position, then the first trigger pull will be longer than the follow-up shots. Here is a great kit to get you started (get the large kit): http://glockmeister.com/product_info.php?cPath=59&products_id=8

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=56338&postcount=27

I like the OWB Fobus holster, however reading posts on another gun forum about fours years ago, the issue came-up regarding the ease of breaking the Fobus OWB holster during a gun grab. Meaning, that if someone forcefully pulled on either the holster or the gun within the holster during a gun grab, the Fobus holster snaps apart. Someone had posted pictures of the plastic breaking around the rivets. Even some gun instructors joined the thread to say that they would not trust Fobus OWB due to the ease of breaking the holster. I tried OWB from BladeTech and Comp-tac. The Comp-tac OWB holster did a better job staying on your hip and secure to your pants. Also Comp-tac maintained a better cant than the BladeTech. YMMV

It is always good to review the gun safety rules from time-to-time. http://www.nracentral.com/gun_safety_rules.php http://www.benelliusa.com/shotgun-safety/

I think my preferred option would be to still carry the firearm on my person or in some of the external holsters/packs shown in this thread verses carry the gun to a holster/pack attached to the bike. If you are held-up at gun point, you can get off the bike and say to the assailant, here take the bike (roll/throw the bike towards the assailant). This will cause the assailant to stop pointing their gun at you while you deploy your firearm to begin shooting. Also this provides you with mobility with your firearm to safe cover from assailant or get away.

Carmon Crapson Terminal Ballistics http://stevespages.com/page8f.htm/ Tactical Works http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/ The Box O' Truth http://www.theboxotruth.com/

And the .45 GAP was developed to create a .45 hole using the gun frame size of the 9mm or .40 caliber guns. Interesting read: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/petej/45gap.defend.htm Main Page http://mywebpages.comcast.net/petej/ Go to an indoor gun range and rent the Glock 30 (.45) and then rent the Glock 27 (.40). Shoot about 50 rounds per gun on the same day and I think you will discover the answer regarding recoil. The .40 snaps upward and the .45 will be more of a push.

Can you provide a link to SB23?

I do not believe amendment SA0830 is enforceable given that the public will not know for a given establishment where they are making the most profits. The public will certainly not know that 50% or more profits are coming from the sale of food. Need an example? Try Cookeville TN. Most of the mainstream restaurants would not open a location in Cookeville due to they were a dry county. Guess where the restaurants make most of their money? From the sale of onsite alcohol consumption. Once Cookeville finally dropped the being a dry county or at least sell by the drink, the mainstream restaurants began opening in Cookeville. Amendment SA0830 is trying to prevent people with Handgun Carry Permit (HCP) from carrying into bar establishments. It seems that the legislatures believe that anyone who is going into a bar that has their HCP, is looking for trouble and/or be involved in a shooting even if they stay sober.

Good catch Creeky. I Google searched "Front Sight" and discovered the two links and I did not realize that the a website called the Gun Guys was anti-gun. Opps. Mugster, I thought the same thing when I saw the title.

http://www.gunguys.com/?p=362 http://www.frontsightlitigation.com/html/index.html