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Unfortunately, I don't trust any of them and the reasons should be pretty obvious. More than likely, I will be voting independent or writing in a name. "That's just throwing away your vote!" "Why not pick the lesser of two evils?" Because I can't in good conscience cast a vote for either of the "sides" that have shown themselves to be unfit to lead the people. Our government has been out of touch for quite some time and the amount of money and power it has accumulated isn't going to be surrendered for the good of the people. That "representation" is gone. I'm not sure I believe the federal election matters anymore. Local and state have a much closer impact on day to day life and can make the difference when there is federal overreach (and - on the flip side - quite destructive if the wrong people get in). It's really hard not to be cynical and right now I can't see the country getting or keeping a good leader with wise counsel for very long. That type of leadership is exactly what we need to help correct and guide our course forward, but make no mistake it won't be one president alone that solves the issues we are facing. The other part is that we the people need to be honest with ourselves about our part in this mess. Everything that we have allowed to happen because of the obsession with convenience, our selfishness, fear and apathy. We have allowed our lives to become so busy and narrowly-focused that we no longer look around to make sure our country hasn't gone adrift. That being said, as a Christian, I know that God can and will flip evil action and intention for His good purpose (Christ has already won). I'm hoping and praying to be surprised this year for the better, or given "peace beyond understanding" and increased faith if He allows our country to fully enter the dark.

Yes - a friend of a friend was denied his recovered gun when he couldn’t prove ownership. Another fellow provided the police with his original receipt after they implied that such a receipt would be the only way to assist his plight. Both cases were years ago and I don’t know if a BOS would have helped in either case, but the first guy would have appreciated the opportunity to try. I have never needed a BOS for any of the reasons I listed, but I have also never needed to file a life insurance claim. Hopefully, both trends continue.

If I sell a gun that I bought new, or has a paper trail to me, I get a BOS. Just protecting me I figure. For something I bought without one, I dont ask for one. Lately I havent been selling, just buying guns that I want to keep. I wouldnt have a problem with a BOS if the seller wanted one though.

Last year when doing a trade with a guy, he told me a story about a call he got from the police involving a gun that he had owned. It had been used in a crime. Luckily he had a BOS to prove he didnt own it anymore.

Well, despite my earlier post about me not using BOSs, this jogged my memory a bit. I had a Colt Combat Commander stolen several years ago that I had bought from my operations officer while I the USAF in the 80s. he gave me a BOS and I filed it away. Flash forward to many years later and the gun was stolen, I did a police report. Several years after that, I got a call from a gun buyer that he ran the gun on the stolen guns web site and it came back stolen and my number listed. He gave me the cell number of the guy selling it. I immediately called the police, Nashville Metro PD to see how to go about getting it back. During my back nd forth with the detective, he asked if I had a BOS or a receipt and I said probably somewhere but I have no clue if I could find it. All he did was call the cell number and told them I just want my gun back and wouldn’t press charges. Of course they said what gun, LOL. He took no further action, and I never got my gun back. I wonder if he would have done more if I had my receipt? Oh and guess what, I ran across that receipt last week, LOL.

I like them for three reasons - If I buy a gun that is later discovered to be stolen, I have a bill of sale. I’m not sure how much water it would hold with the cops, but it’s better than nothing. If a gun I bought is stolen from me and recovered, many jurisdictions want some sort of proof of ownership before they give it back. Again, I’m not sure how much water it would hold with the cops, but it’s better than nothing. If I sell a gun and the cops come to me and say it was used in a crime, I’ll pull out my bill of sale and say “Here’s where it went and when.” All I ever ask for is a permit flash and a current address with autograph (no DL numbers, etc). A simple handwritten bill of sale that I throw in the back of my safe is not the same paper trail as a 4473.

Out of principle I won't do one or ask for one. I am required by law to "believe" they are a TN resident and legal to own a firearm. Usually when i ask those questions, they offer to show me their ID or similar, but I decline. I don't begrudge the guys that do and I understand their reasoning but I've walked away from some deals because of it. It's not personal and I don't say anything unless it's necessary. It's a personal principled choice and I leave it at that.

I do BOS either buying or selling. Two copies. One for me and one for the seller/buyer. In today's world I just think its a good idea to keep up with where a gun came from and where it went. As long as LE doesn't come calling, nobody will ever see it other than you and the seller/buyer. The only con I know of is that some people will refuse to do a BOS and it may cancel the deal. Frankly, that makes me suspicious and I don't want to do business with that person anyway.

I’ve got up to 3 boxes of Hornady American Gunner in 6.5 Grendel available. These come in boxes of 200 rounds. It’s 123gr BTHP and I’ve had good luck with this ammo and accuracy in several different guns. $180 per box. Can meet in South Nashville or North Franklin.

Sold I’ve got a Ruger 10/22 stripped receiver that is mated well to a Green Mounting blued bull barrel. Good little shooter but too many 22’s at this time. $225 for the receiver and barrel. Meet in South Nashville or North Franklin.

Hello all. New to the forum. From Dunlap (I just tell people I'm from Chattanooga, it's easier). Native Tennesseean, moved back a few years ago from Alabama (hated paying income tax). Kind of a Sig Guy you can say, first gun I was familiar with was my dad's police issue P226 so always leaned that way. That being said, I think the M&P 9 is the best all around pistol I own. Anyway, hello everyone! And go Vols!

I have a Glock Model 36 .45 ACP in excellent shape. I think it's a Gen 2 or Gen 3, but I have literally fired this pistol 37 times since I purchased a while back. It has sat in my Blackhawk OWP kydex holster (which I will include in the sale) in my nightstand since I purchased and I don't shoot it much (obviously). 2 mags and the holster included along with some CorBon ammo. $400 for all, thanks for looking!

This liberal agrees!

Same thing happened to me years ago. I sold a Ruger Security Six to someone and kept a copy of the BOS. A few years later two detectives showed up asking me about the weapon and I was able to show I had sold it. The person I sold it to used it in an armed robbery of a liquor store.

I forgot that my uncle had three guns stolen 20 or so years ago. A decade later, he got a call from the police telling him one had been recovered. They gave it back to him no questions asked. This was the same department (Memphis PD) as the one I mentioned earlier. Different departments probably have different procedures and requirements, or maybe it’s just the whim or mood of whoever is in charge that day or that year. All I know is I want all available ammo to fight to get my gun back or clear my name if I ever have the need. A BOS may be weak, but it’s better than nothing.

Welcome - from another Sig lover..

Thank you guys for all of your stories and insight on this matter because it helps me see real life scenarios.

Thanks for answering. I wasn’t trying to sound argumentative, but probably did anyway. Yours is the first actual, really happened, situation I ever heard where a bill of sale might have helped. I’ve heard all manner of possible scenarios, but was looking for a real life situation. Thanks for providing that.

Having had to trace a firearm most recovered from crime scenes are either stolen or long sold to someone else. I don't know about other states, but it is so common even if one was recovered and it traced to a box store sell a few years ago it's not like bunch of alphabet boys show up demanding answers. At most I've seen happen is a call or show up and ask if they had by chance had the gun stolen and either didn't report it or the local agency didn't enter it in NCIC. It happens more than you would think.

For myself it isn't a mental hump. I have used red dots and don't care for them. Inside of the 7 yard line it's point and squeeze. Sights are not a thought. The way I was taught and practice does not rely on aligning sights in short range defensive use. I'm not advocating that for anyone, but it works for me, quite well. I don't use any optics unless I need magnification. Extreme astigmatism will cause issues for me at times with any optic. and as @1gewehr stated, electronics will fail. That may never be an issue but you fight the way you train. If that one in however many chance hits in a gunfight you're going to hesitate and we know what happens there. I have only recently picked up polymer framed pistols (other than my P32 which is over 30). I prefer heavier handguns for shooting. Recovery is just quicker and easier. All metal pistols are a pain to carry at times but as I have said, there's always a trade off. all that to say if we are going to lighter poly frame cut slide pistols for carry comfort, why add ounces back into the holster? Add to all of the cost involved choosing something that fits an optic you're comfy with and finding a comfy holster. It all adds time and expense that I don't want or need.

The patent for the original suppressor shows it on a lever gun. 1902. Just saying… https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/10/history-of-suppressors/

My view on this has evolved over time. I used to want one as I thought it protected me, and the other guy, but then, after realizing just how bad the fed gummit is, I don’t use them myself, and won’t buy if one is required, unless it’s something I really really want at a good price. I mean, if I’m going to leave a paper trail, I might as well buy new.

I no longer do transactions either way that involve BOS. I’ve done a couple early on, but people were wanting more and more info on them over time, to include DL # and address. While that info is attainable to those that know how and where to look, I’m not in the habit of handing it over to strangers. When I sell a firearm I do my due diligence in asking to see a carry permit and/or asking if they are legally able to purchase a firearm. I am more than happy to flash my HCP if asked, but have walked away from deals when guys wanted to take pictures of it or pull out a BOS that they hadn’t previously mentioned. I typically don’t sell here to newer buyers but I will buy from them, which helps them build credibility through the feedback feature. I also factor the value of not having a paper trail into the price, both buying and selling. I don’t think that there is anything suspicious about wanting to participate in a perfectly legal transaction that does not involve a paper trail. I appreciate that not everyone feels that way, and thus you can obviously put whatever terms you want on your sale, it just won’t be with me.

He was a long-time NRA member. He mentioned it in his 1993 and 2004 biographies. Cheers, Whisper

The rotating clown show that ended with Sunak just made the UK Conservative party look spent, and the voters weren't rewarding perpetual failure. It's crazy that a national government can have the same turnover and turmoil as our House of Representatives in the top leadership for all those years, but it works for them. One interesting tidbit of the last election there, Nigel Farage is back. He's a seated MP and head of the Reform party with its five MPs after this election. That's a drop in the House of Commons, but Reform came in third with 14% of the overall vote, so they're not some fringe act the Conservatives and Labour can ignore. Populism sways the UK enough to let a spark become a fire from time to time. All that to say, I wish we had a viable third option over here that wasn't hostile to guns. I'm not about to be lambasted into voting for Trump and I'm not doing the same for Kamala. I'm desperate for a political home that isn't the better choice of you gotta be f'n kidding me.

Forget that MPD is seriously undermanned and has poor leadership. Forget that the DA is soft on crime. Forget that judges release murderers ROR. The crime in Memphis is all caused by guns. What a bunch of idiots.

I don't want to take away from any narratives - but y'all realize the UK has been under Conservative Party rule since 2010, right? If memory serves, starting with W's friend David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and up until a couple of weeks ago Rishi Sunak - they're all conservatives. edit to add: It's also probably worth noting how much the economy comes into play when you're talking about the UK. Really, the UK can be divided into London and the rest of the country. If you take London out of the mix - the per capita income in the UK is roughly on par with Mississippi's.

I think I also saved a young girls life. Sitting on I-40 Bridge I whipped up the on ramp and snuck up behind her. She asked what is wanted and said nothing. She then said Im going to jump and I said that is what I am waiting for and when you hit the bottom I am going to have wild sex with you. She got in her car and left!! Here is your punchline. Stolen from a comedy special on the tube.

Oh the burn!