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Yeah I'm immediately skeptical when I see something like this given the amount of misinformation on the internet these days. We have no way to easily validate this either.

That was before anti bullying. Now kids have no idea how to cope if someone calls them a bad name.

True, but: Keep in mind that a lot of firearm operation is based on muscle memory gained through training and MANY repetitions. When you change your weapon, you need to also change that the way you operate. When I changed from a Star PD .45 to a Springfield XDs .45, the differences were minor, but crucial. The grip was slightly different, no thumb safety, very different trigger pull, magazine changes were slightly different, and many other more subtle differences. After the many years of operating standard iron sights, I have no desire to transition to a red dot. Add in my inbred distrust of electronic and optical devices that I have seen fail MANY times when you need them most, and I'll stick with 'old reliable' irons.

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. By "securely stored" I meant to imply that the father would also securely store the key and/or combination as well. I think it's safe to assume that the son was unsupervised when he accessed the rifle and shot up the school. This notion that parents shouldn't be accountable for the actions of their kids is one of the main problems with our society. Complicity is not the only reason for liability. Negligence counts too. If you have a child you should be a parent.

I have a Springfield M1 that I am looking to move. I got this from a fellow TGO member a while back, but I have recently come into another M1, so this one is headed to the chopping block. I put 16 rounds through the rifle with no problems. Comes with a clip and a CMP hard shell case. I don't have any CMP papers, but I was told that it is a CMP rack grade rifle. I can send you more pictures, l'm having trouble uploading them currently to the forum. $850, West Knox, Lenoir City, Maryville area meet.

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It’s the foundational law of the land. Its applicability to all and the results of its inadequacies should be readily apparent to anyone with eyes and a working brain. That’s the point of the Adams quote. He knew what kind of document he had helped craft and the type of people it was written for. We have created a population that can’t be adequately ruled by it because they do not possess the requisite moral principles that act as self limiting boundaries on behavior.

The “change” everyone always harps on is not going to come from voting, elections, or the seriously pathetic excuse for people we have running the country from towns to cities to states and finally, the country. This is the society we have created. No one is responsible. Children have equal rights as adults. Those in government are self serving idgits whose only talent is talking. Rampant idealism with no grounding in reality or history. People pumping out kids and expecting the idgits to raise them but they can’t.

I think some people just need to come to the realization of several things. First of all, if you or your 13 year old kid is questioned by the GBI, FBI, or whatever law enforcement agency for threats made in person or online, you have some major issues that need to be resolved. Secondly, part of that resolution sure as hell is not going to involve providing something like an AR to an obviously troubled child. Especially after the previous point. Thirdly, parents are in fact responsible for their children. Period. If you enable your child who already has a “history”, you are culpable. i could go on but there is no point. Many of us grew up in a very different time. Unfortunately, times and people have changed…for the worse. Oh, and if things like this continue “they” will take all the guns, regardless of the constitution, although the idea is absurd.

Now that NEW info has been released that the father admits buying his little nutjob a gun AFTER the GBI told him about his son's online activity and the father admits to giving the child access, all bets are off. He's clearly 100% negligent and deserves the charges he's facing. It's possible to safely secure a safe key and someone still find it. You sound like one of those leftist anti-gunners who blame firearm owners when a criminal breaks into their house/car, steals their secured firearms, and uses them to commit a crime. At some point you have to stop blaming the theft victim when they took reasonable steps to keep their gun secure, but a criminal STILL found a way to get access. Nobody with a brain would suggest that parents aren't accountable for the actions of their kids. I know I didn't suggest that! The fact that the kid found a way to access the gun when the parent thought it was secure DOES NOT mean the parent was negligent. You can be as careful as possible and someone still does bad things you thought you had prevented. If you think every time a child does something bad it's because they weren't parented, you must not have ever raised children. They are resourceful and NO parent can think of everything. You don't even know this boy's dad, so how do you know this little monster wasn't properly parented? You have practically zero facts and are reacting almost purely on speculation. It may turn out that the parent did drop the ball, but assuming that before you have those facts makes no sense.

I realize there is a difference between intent and ability, but politicians have expressed the intent to "come for our guns" repeatedly. I believe them when they say they want to disarm us. Don't you?

It's all about revenge and control. Revenge is exacted through the legal system, but doesn't do anything to bring back the dead or heal the wounded. Punishing parents for the acts of their kids is something that shouldn't happen, in my opinion, but it is embraced by our society because people want to believe that harming someone is the reasonable recompense for being harmed. Eye for an eye. Punishing the perp is fine with me. Punishing a perp's family? Rarely is that justified. Control comes into the mix because there is a coordinated agenda at play to eventually disarm the American people. The risk any of us carries by owning firearms is that we must lock them up so securely that not even the most driven, committed thief can get them. The people driving the agenda want you to be so burdened by the consideration of risk that you choose not to own guns. They fuel that fear by crucifying parents when their kids do something like this. Ask yourself if a parent would be specifically attacked for making a fork or butter knife carelessly available to their kid if said kid took one to school and stabbed other kids with it. Of course not. Because it's about the tool and not about the person using it for a crime.

and slipping off topic somewhat. I fully believe that "they" would and will try to disarm Americans completely. It is the basis of "their" platform to take care of you every need. Your diet, your health care, your security, what your children are taught, what kind of car you drive, what you can and cannot say. If you don't think "they" will actually try to take your guns you need to open your eyes to what they have already taken.

I have 3 adopted children. 4.5 in total if you take in account the 22 year old I have treated as mine for 6 years. (He's not officially adopted)I have a safe in the garage, a safe in the bedroom, several interior doors require key codes. My Wife doesn't have access to either safe. She does know the key codes because one is to the bedroom door. To get a gun you need a key code for the room and access to a safe. Home defense guns are accessible from the bedroom, if you're in the bedroom and you know what to do. My Wife and I are armed at the house. 3 of my adopted kids have issues. The main issue is the absolute absence of emotions from my oldest son. He knows it's an issue. Guns are not apart of his life even though he knows its apart of mine and his older siblings. My youngest son is the opposite. If he witness something get hurt, he'd be devastated. We spend a ton of time in the hospital or Dr with our youngest Daughter. We have had a few issues with the old Daughter due to the amount of time we spend with the other kids, but it was relatively easy with her. It's a delicate balance with them all. Stuff like this scares me to death. My oldest Daughter has won F-Class championships at 1k and 600 yards at 10-12 years old. My 14 year old son doesn't know how to take a safety off an ar15. My Daughter is almost 21 and slinging cows blood on a white background at MTSU so she can get a degree in forensics. It's not always the parents fault however sometimes it is.

John Adams: 'Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.'

Heading to Chattanooga Sunday to pick up a rifle. I'd like to make the trip a little more "efficient" and fill a couple of other holes I have, hard finding things in East Tennessee sometimes. My list: Compact Kimberly 9 Glock 38 in 35 GAP AR Pistol 7-12" in .223/5.56 Canik omm Glock 19 Pocket pistols/derringers New or used, box/no box, extra mags or none, I'm pretty easy to get along with. I've got the cash and my TNDL & HCP. Message/DM here and I'll respond with my cell.

I'm really against parents or anyone being charged for the uncoerced actions of another person. These charges against the father seem misplaced. By news reports he was negligent gifting his son a rifle knowing the kid made threats but Manslaughter?, Murder? When a street punk steals a gun and gives it to his buddy KNOWING he is a violent killer does the street punk get charged with murder when his buddy uses the gun to kill again? Second time parents getting harsh punishment for the Kid's crime and I agree this could be a deterrent but this is BS gun control! Charge the Dad with child neglect and endangerment resulting in death or something like that. In the meantime more SRO's, more security, armed Teachers, a bit of YES, PROFILING, vetting and monitoring of kids with problems. This kid had a history as usual

Most parents ain't got a clue about their kids. Sure, they're perfect when around Mom or Dad, but when they're on their own, totally different kid. But this is also perfectly normal. All kids hide things from their parents. Its natural. Think about all the stuff you got away with as a kid that your parents never knew about. Long story I won't get into, but I once saw a 13 year old look a Police Officer dead in the eye and say that if he got into trouble over this, he'd kill the kid who reported him. Repeated that several times and was dead serious. Of course when his mother arrived she said "My baby? No way, you're the liar!"

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I really enjoyed his videos. He recorded a video to be released upon his death. Typical Paul Harrell style. RIP and thanks for all the videos.

So we need parenting? Discipline? Morals? Yes we do! I keep several weapons at the ready. When my children were young I had one out of four that was not trustworthy. One who would sneak, scheme and work through barriers to access. I had to keep all but one empty and locked, I had one that was always within arms reach, ready to go. We have the responsibility as parents to understand our children and their tendencies. We have the responsibility of seeing that they are not perfect and see their faults. Adapt and overcome. Trust but verify. I have avoided the news on this shooting. I don't want to know what the media says, I don't care what the politicians have to say. This is tragic, as with the Nashville shooting, I'm sure clues were missed or ignored. We live in a time where parents will fight unceasingly for their children even if they know the child is wrong. So yes, we are all complicent allowing our society to get where we are. It's going to take adults to fix this. Not teachers and politicians but parents. Also, there have been two students in Nashville schools caught with guns this week. Do I think the timing of an election year is part of the issue? Sure, the rhetoric is not lost on our youngsters, they hear when the president says a GOP win will destroy our country.

You're pulling a lot of what if's here. Why not go so far as to say what happens when a kid steals a car, wrecks into a patrol car, and steals the officer's weapons? There were unsecured firearms in my home as a child. I never touched them without permission. There were hundreds available to my high school classmates, and there were many fights as well as bullying that went on. Therre were no shootings in any of my schools growing up and I never heard of any elsewhere. It isn't the guns, it isn't accessibility. I have my own opinion as to why but I'll let you figure out your own answers.

Check out legendary wall art, they have some sweet prints of jw, the matrix, and bravehart. I want to grab a few for my office.

I've tried the Old Man 2-3 times. I just can't finish it and I'm not sure why. It started off strong and then got boring with the flashbacks. Shogun on Hulu was amazing. Jack Ryan was good for a season or two and then it jumped the shark. The last season i didn't like at all. It fell to the same issue as homeland. They killed off the bad guy and needed a new plot when they should have just ended it. If you like Clancy stuff, be sure to avoid Without Remorse and the upcoming Rainbow Six (Michael Pena as Ding Chavez? Come on). Without Remorse simply takes a dump on the IP in true Hollywood fashion. Terminal list was tough as well. I wanted to like it more, but I just don't take Pratt seriously as a hardcore operator. It's just the funny man snarling the whole show. I shoot first and don't ask questions later. I'm a loaner Dotty, a rebel. Bullet train. I thought I would hate this movie. Color me impressed because its great. My son and I have watched it a few times. We like to call idiots a diesel when we see them in public.

Misleading, I am pretty sure the dad did not buy the rifle for his son to use in a shooting. Is he liable, so far I am leaning no. I have weapons all around my house, loaded with one in the pipe. They are for home protection, makes no sense to make it more difficult to get to and use in case I need them for their intended use. The Christmas present, I look at it like this, if someone makes an unfounded accusation, which if there was evidence the FBI would have been more interested in a follow-up. The dad, my speculation, probably thought it was BS, so acted right for months with no other issues. Probably already had plans to buy him the AR and he seen no reason not to. As to them coming for our guns, when they come right out and say it, I believe them. I will not get surprised when they start rounding them up, I am paying attention and fighting it as much as I possibly can, so will not become complacent just because it hasn't happened yet. We have already allowed too many restrictions on law-abiding Americans, I don't care how many laws they pass to keep it out of the hands of criminals, but it should have 0 effect on law-abiding citizens, only criminals. It seems that the criminals have more rights than we do.

Where are these "perfect around Mom & Dad" kids you speak of? My weird kids are/were the opposite lol. Mean Jerks to Mom & Dad and angels to the general public!

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Free bump for Lee - I have dealt with him in the past and it was a pleasure meeting him. A good dude for sure.

That was a steal at that price!

Good price. I put one in a kimber and I like it.

The father stated his son didn't have unsupervised access to his guns. The fact that the kid found a way to get his hands on one doesn't mean the father didn't securely store them. It only means the boy might have found the safe combo or key and the dad never knew the kid had access. Any speculation that the father didn't have serious talks with his son and believed everything was alright is unsubstantiated. You have to believe the dad is some kind of monster if you believe he knew his kid was dangerous and took no steps. I haven't seen any evidence to support the dad willfully allowed this to happen. Kids have been pulling the wool over their parents eyes forever. Think of all the stuff you got away with that your parents didn't know about. Punishing them is only appropriate if they were complicit.

I went through about 15 appliance repair websites. Most want your money before answering your question. I found that the start button doubles as the error reset button. I held it in for 10 seconds and the error was gone and the washer is working right again. Visit with the PT yesterday. Says my back has a twist. Wants to see an xray but can't order one. Will call one of the other doctors and might get one. Selling brass casings cheap I got from the range. One order to fill and I'll be out of most.

Its always somebody else's fault.

I’m only pointing out the thoroughly expected pattern here. A pattern that’s become so well established that it’s a literal meme at this point.

Georgia High School Attacker Stopped by Good Guy with a Gun (breitbart.com)

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The memes have been a wonderful and beautiful tribute to the internets favorite gun loving uncle.

I think it's less about getting in anyone's business and more about finding a possible pattern or trend.

So how many gun forums are hosted in Canada? Technical glitches aside, it is kind of ironic that an online presence supporting 2A rights and discussions is physically hosted in a country whose government does not support such ideas….and probably has far more power to “pull the plug” if so inclined.

Double probe at Gastro One is set for 9/26. I can call and check on openings between now and then. I have a 9 day count down on the drug pack they sent me. West clinic visit is set for 10/7, might get to change it too. I loaded the washer yesterday. Hit the power button and the selection I wanted, the light went out. CLn is on the display. The washer started without hitting the start button. After washing for 30 minutes I unplugged it. Let it set for 2 hours and plugged it back in. Hit the power button and it starts washing without hitting the start button. The door is locked, can't get to the data plate for the model number. I'll be clearing a path to get it outdoors. Lowes and Home Depot have the Entergy Star on sale today. Order one and wait for delivery.

As far as anyone can tell, it's Macrophage activation syndrome. There is one glaring detail that doesn't follow MAS. It stopped. It shouldn't have. This is what happened when her blood was attacked a few years back. It also just stopped. She will not be officially diagnosed, but it has 99.9% of all the other hallmarks. We took her and my two youngest boys for a walk at Yanali park this morning. I pushed her in a stroller that's big enough for a small 12 year old. It's been a good day.