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I'm glad this thread is still open. This is a major world event and needs to be talked about. Several other forums I visit shut down this topic pretty quick after it came up. Although I would prefer we stick to the topic at hand and quit wandering all over the place. Honestly, I'd like to see the old Politics Forum come back. It gave folks like me a place to discuss these things without having to resort to the craziness of ultra-liberal social media. As for that other guy, I saw what he was a long time ago. I, too, am surprised it took so long.

Just a note: I am working on a new Current Events and Politics forum. I may not get it finished for a few more hours as I'm chipping away at it between meetings and other tasks. It will be hidden behind the Benefactor pay wall. There will be an additional set of rules for participating. Ignorance of those rules will not be a valid excuse for not following them. Stay tuned.

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Just a note: I am closing this thread for now. It will re-open soon. I am working on a new Current Events and Politics forum. I may not get it finished for a few more hours as I'm chipping away at it between meetings and other tasks. It will be hidden behind the Benefactor pay wall. There will be an additional set of rules for participating. Ignorance of those rules will not be a valid excuse for not following them. Stay tuned.

My doctor told me to stop eating bacon, so it's going to be a big change for me. I've been with that doctor for over twenty years.

The problem is most of us do care about that and see some correlation to those events and have brought it up as part of the discussion. I think you are on the outside of majority opinion on this and come across as trying to stifle that discussion. I at least appreciate MacGyvers response even if I don't fully agree with it. All of these "ism's" are so subjective and honestly have lost all real meaning to me as people throw them out thinking it makes them look smart.

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that the Palestinians are considered trash by pretty much all other Arab/Muslim countries. Egypt shares a section of border with Gaza and they sealed it up tight years ago to keep the Palestinians out of their country. I'm all in favor of opening an escape corridor so that any Palestinian who wants to can get out. The problem is that no other country in the region wants them. Even Iran, who helped finance and plan this attack doesn't want them. The Palestinians have no place to go. Nobody wants them. Not even those who are supposed to be their own people. Secondly, "Truth is the first casualty of war." We don't have all the facts and we never will. Propaganda and disinformation are just as much weapons of war as a rifle. We're forming opinions based on what we're allowed to know. Bear that in mind. I do believe that Israel has a right to defend itself. I probably won't like what's gonna happen, but I won't fault Israel for whatever they do. Things are gonna get real ugly, real quick.

I have friends in the Land of Israel, they keep me informed on what is happening in their home area. The attitudes of the every day Israeli, their habits and their expectations have been radically shifted/shattered. Most favor a war action to terminate the nightmare of promises, deals then bloodshed. "The innocent will be mourned " was a phrase I heard several times and it scared me how vehement the sentiment was. Never again, never again. We are half a world away, debating and arm chair quarterbacking decisions made by people under fire and being slaughtered in their homes. The Hebrew position was land for peace. The Muslim position was extermination of Jews at all cost, at every turn. As a people, population or government you cannot bargain with a foe that wants your total destruction. I support the Jewish people and want their suffering to end, even if it involves complete destruction of the operators/financiers/governments that are responsible for this. Israel belongs to God alone. He gave it to the Hebrews and all that would follow Him. Yes I am a follower of the Messiah and this violence is just the beginning of the end. I am not waxing religious, but I know how it ends....for all involved. I was told caption to the image reads "The Difference"

For those who aren't familiar with TGO History...

Black Lives Matter has come out in support of Hamas. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/10/black-lives-matter-organization-shows-support-for-hamas-amid-terror-attack-on-israel/ Well Hell, I guess there is no keeping our own problems out of this.

So what I am hearing is that thread drift is ultimately why he got banned? You may not want to hear it, but it is a clear and present danger to have an open border, and attacks like what happened in Israel, who has a much more guarded border should make us all want to discuss our own border, not shy away from it. If 1500 terrorists can do that, over a long holiday, imagine what thousands of them could do here. Thousands upon thousands of military aged men have been dispersed all across the US, and many from countries not bordering ours. If this attack is not a wake up call to our own government, whose primary responsibility is our countries security, then I can only surmise that they want it to happen.

I loved the politics forum. I can say that because I am not a moderator.

For me there is a correlation of of potential impact. I don't think anyone was specifically saying they are equal at this point in time. Things like this are always going to come back to making correlations to things at 'home" where it is most important to almost all of us. Trying to limit things to only a narrow focus is never going to happen IMO in topics with such broad impact in the world.

It’s good for frying with its high smoke point and neutral flavor. But you’re right about it not seasoning cast-iron well. That’s why I just use lard like God and grandma intended.

I'll make a couple of additional comments for context. Rarely is a member here banned for a single comment. It has happened in our history - but that's generally when someone doesn't have a history on TGO and it's clear that they're just here to be inflammatory. Most bans have quite a deal of discussion behind the scenes amongst the moderating staff. We currently have a staff that does a lot of work to keep from banning people. If you've been on TGO for a long time - you'll note that you see far fewer actual bans today than in the past. That's frankly because of mods like @Chucktshoes who are quite willing to disagree with folks - and who can keep their own opinion separate from the job they do here. TGO is a better place because of it. I made the decision to ban crc4 yesterday after discussion with the moderating team. It wasn't a single point issue. He's been here for less than a year - and has had quite a few posts taken down. His history is still here - you can probably go back and find a lot of it if you're so inclined. If you're looking for where the moderating line is - we've got a code of conduct. Repeatedly posting things that are racist will put you over that line. There are members in this thread who've posted things in the past that are over that line and have received warnings because of their history in this community. We can't police what you believe. But we can expect better in your rhetoric here - and those members have course corrected. crc4 received those warnings, and did not course correct. That's why he was ultimately booted.

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I think the issue is that we were attempting to keep the thread narrowly tailored to prevent it from blowing up into a wildly out of control thread. I am not sure we really succeeded, but we try. The tension between the general tamping down on politics with the occasional big topic having space made for it leads to an imperfect and uneven balancing act. I would like to speak for myself alone for a moment. I really appreciate the input from all of y’all regarding your thoughts and criticisms on how the moderation is handled with regards to politics. It’s taken seriously and informs the decisions made here.

The similarity is that there is a question if hamas or similar terrorists are coming in through our southern border.

Respectfully, there are many issues with our southern border. But this thread is about Israel and the sudden war thrust upon them. Our border is a topic for another discussion. Maybe if the Politics forum comes back, we can discuss it there.

It says to me that the more popular opinion doesn't matter if those in power want to silence you.

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We are being dragged into a holy war whether we like it or not- Look at the way some of these idiots in our own country act- Almost like they hate our very own-

But here is the rub, we are to discuss terrorists without discussing what can happen here? It's like trying to discuss a kaboom at a local range without being able to discuss it happening elsewhere.

In that case Gaza needs to be a parking lot.

Well, as has been said, I'll agree to disagree. We are being invaded, and some of these invaders have that same mentality you speak of. Sure, many at first just wanted better living conditions (who doesn't), and wanted to work, but now we have people coming from all parts of the world through our southern border, with no vetting whatsoever, and those with a 9/11 mentality could very well be some of them.

@MacGyver, do you want to make any further statement about the recent banning? I thought it was pretty clear where the gentleman went over the line with constant racist / xenophobic statements and you seemed to address that in your previous post before he was banned, but maybe I'm just assuming too much.

We are all entitled to our opinions, you included. No one should be banned for it unless they start getting personal against others IMO. All I am saying is in this scenario I didn't see that. I don't know if he would come back or not, but personally sometimes we can own our mistakes and make them right. I don't expect that is going to happen but felt it was important as a long time member to simply say I didn't agree with how it was handled. Not my site, not my call so it is what it is.

And it's this Barney, not the one I actually like:

We will have to agree to disagree. Funny sidetone. Look at who has the most likes recently (by a long shot). Maybe says more about this forum than you would like to believe.

I may be the odd man out, but I personally find the timing of the ban to be as much about a strong opinion opposite of those moderating. I don't feel he was personally attacking anyone here. David even mentioned just letting things go and letting everyone have a thick skin (paraphrasing). I may not always agree with what he said, but the perception of the ban to me seems like retaliation. Either let people have at it or just stop it all.

Well, if the shoe fits, and while we are at it lets not forget the pallets of cash sent by Obama.

I agree with what McGyver said. While I pray for a total victory by Israel over Hamas and Hezbolla, I also pray for the innocent victims on both sides of the conflict. War has no winners, especially those caught in the middle who only want to live in peace. When Judgement Day takes place, it won't matter whether you're Israeli, Muslin Christian, black, white, etc; we will all stand before and answer to the same God who created all of us. My hope is that this isn't the start to WW3. IsraelStrong

I get a kick out of it when someone compares the 3rd world trash illegals to the Irish. Italians, etc who immigrated here legally. Sure there was prejudice, but they overcame by becoming Americans. They embraced being Americans not like some others who still hate the country that's given them so much opportunity. Comparing the demonstrators on Jan 6 to terrorists is silly. The only terrorist there was the scumbag who killed Ashley Babbit. Some might consider the ushers who opened the velvet ropes conspirators.

Honestly I believe Israel shouldn't go in. I think they should tell Iran they want their people back and they want all of the people involved within 24 hours. After 24 hours Iran starts losing assets. Things like the entire navy. Every military base. Every nuclear site. If one hostage is killed, pick a city and give them a 24 hour notice to vacate it. After the 24 hours, remove the city from the Erath. Iran is the man behind the curtain. Glad I'm not in charge. Create such fear in terrorist states that they police themselves. Then we and every other country gets out of everyone else's business.

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/smith-wesson-officially-moves-headquarters-blue-state-tennessee Firearm manufacturer Smith & Wesson officially moved its headquarters from New England to Tennessee, earning praise from the NRA. "Congratulations to Smith & Wesson on their grand opening in Tennessee. This move is a testament to their enduring legacy, their commitment to firearm excellence, and to the importance of preserving America’s gun industry and Second Amendment rights in a fair environment," NRA Executive Director of Advancement Tyler Schropp told Fox News Digital in an exclusive comment. "Representing millions of NRA members and gun owners, the NRA was proud to be the tip of the spear for the passage and enactment of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that saved America’s firearm industry," Schropp continued, citing the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that prevents firearm manufacturers from being held liable if products are used to commit a crime. Smith & Wesson was established in 1852 in Connecticut before it soon moved its headquarters to Springfield, Massachusetts. Now, the firearm manufacturer calls Maryville, Tennessee, home after holding a ribbon-cutting ceremony Saturday at its new 650,000-square feet headquarters. "From where I stand, the next 170 years of Smith & Wesson are looking pretty good," Smith & Wesson President and CEO Mark Smith said Saturday, according to The Daily Times. "It is something special here in Tennessee." Smith touted state gun laws and his close work with local leaders for the move to Tennessee, describing the relocation as "seamless." Democrat-led Massachusetts has some of the most strict gun laws in the U.S., while Republican-led Tennessee has expanded gun laws in recent years, including approving permitless carry in 2021. The ribbon-cutting event Saturday showcased renowned competitive shooter Jerry Miculek set an NRA record when he hit six steel plates with a 9 mm revolver in 1.88 seconds. "Additionally, a special salute to Jerry Miculek, an NRA World Champion shooter, for his remarkable feat of shattering the NRA World Record with six shots in just 1.88 seconds from 7 yards out during the grand opening event. The NRA stands proudly with exceptional marksmen like Jerry as he forges ahead in his unparalleled journey," the NRA’s Schropp added in his comment to Fox News Digital. The new headquarters, which was first announced in 2021, sits on 230 acres southwest of the McGhee Tyson Airport, the Knoxville News Sentinel reported. Tours of the facility were offered during the grand opening, with Smith & Wesson spokespeople telling local media that the gun manufacturer will also build a museum and retail store in the coming years.

Yes, I always have that as an option, thanks.

Saw one this past Monday none since. I think they are gone until next year.

He made some pretty compelling points. His delivery could use some polishing, however.

I don’t know anything about the purple dye, but don’t get me started on micro plastics and seed oils.

Recommended post?! finally!

We’re I closer, I’d gladly help you dispose of them.

I also recommend a bullet puller I have the hammer type and while I have used it a lot more than I would have liked I will never wear it out.