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Here’s what it boils down to folks. Either someone is a legal adult and entitled to all the rights and responsibilities that entails, or they aren’t. It’s really not more complicated than that.

If you're old enough to be taught to use an actual weapon(s) of war on man by the US Government: then a personal weapon of peace should be granted at home or anywhere on US soil.

The sad thing is that this will cause even more people to run from police. Why pull over if there is a chance you could get beat to death.

Hi everyone, The time has come for me to sell my beloved Franchi SPAS-12 shotgun. I bought this back in the summer of 2015 from the gentleman who runs the SPAS-12 Project (https://www.spas-12.com/) out of Indiana and have thoroughly enjoyed shooting it occasionally over the years, but I have some other projects I'd like to put money towards at this time. The previous owner had cleaned the firearm and installed the replacement buffers and shock absorbers before shipping to me. The weapon fires in both auto and pump without issue; I almost exclusively used the gun in auto mode though. Also worth noting that this example features the push-button safety instead of the lever-style safety, which is known to malfunction and can cause the weapon to discharge without warning. Included along with the gun are both variants of stocks, the fixed stock and the very rare, original folding stock with hook that came on the gun when I purchased it; since someone already asked, changing stocks is easy...all you need is a socket with a 10mm extension...there is a single bolt that holds the stock in place so it's no big deal to change them out. I will also include the sling and expanding pliers recommended by Chris with the SPAS-12 Project which are necessary for helping take certain components apart for cleaning. I will even throw in the hard case and some leftover ammo if the buyer wants those too. The gun is in really good condition overall, but certainly not perfect. It does have some blemishes on it in various places though it still presents very well and gets compliments whenever I take it places. The SPAS-12 certainly needs no introductions...made famous by Jurassic Park, Terminator and a whole host of other movies and video games, it's one of the coolest firearms ever made. Asking $4,000 FIRM and the buyer would need to bring either cash or a certified check from your bank of choice...I am NOT interested in trades at this time. While I'm located in Franklin, I would be willing to meet somewhere within reasonable driving distance in Tennessee. If you'd like to see more photos, videos, or ask questions, feel free to message me here or you can email me at preds98@proton.me and I'll do my best to respond quickly. Thanks! Jay

Notice the agreement is founded on the 2nd And 14th Amendments. You either believe in the validity of the documents or you do not.

It's unwritten, but well known to law enforcement and prosecutors. It's been common parlance for at least 25 years.

Why own a gun if there is a chance it will kill someone unintended? Why take a vaccine if there is a chance it will do you harm? Why anything? I am not Black and I am not saying I can relate to everything. But I have worked with police all over the world for 25 years and while some are meat heads, I don't know of one who is shooting someone for cooperating. There is a cause and effect and we have lost site of the root cause in 99.9% of these situations in my opinion. As my 6th grade teacher told me and I still tell others today. There are excuses and there are reasons. Running and not cooperating is an excuse, not a reason.

In my research it seems that one of Scorpion Unit's goals is to cut down on the wave of drag racing, donuts and assorted other car tricks that have been plaguing Memphis streets for the last few years. These street racers have gone so far as to block major streets and Interstates to put on their little shows. The goal is not only to stop this, but to impound the cars used. Its stated that Nichols was originally pulled over for reckless driving. Could it be that he was involved in these sort of activities? Street racers get real touchy when they might lose their car. Maybe that's why he ran? What exactly did he do to be pulled over? I wonder if we'll ever know? Still no excuse for being beaten to death.

I would like to begin with prayers for the young mans family for their loss. There is always a lot of pain when a child is lost, especially so needlessly. Now as far as a person running from police when stopped. I have never understood why they do that. Running for any reason is only going to make the situation worse......JNHO

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My prays to the family of the young man that lost his life, we need more dads.

Can't get the pdf to load, but our new AG has agreed that the ban on 18 year olds being able to get permits is unconstitutional.

Yeah, I’m tracking you. I never responded to any of your post, because I already had you pegged based upon your interactions with other members. I took your advice and googled the term. You’re correct, I had never heard it before. I guess I don’t associate with the same type of people you do. You are the company you keep. Stay classy!

Really? Where is that written?

I remembered seeing someone post WTB Try Pming: @will_reed and @https://www.tngunowners.com/forums/profile/25236-tgtmasterchuck/. Sorry for formatting on mobile.

It seems like more and more often, there doesn’t seem to be a “good guy”.

These are great shooters. Buy with confidence from FUJIMO.

How often does this happen when the person stopped by police does not run or fight? It would be interesting to find out why he ran and what happened after he did. We are told that black men are all but justified in running because look at what happens when they get stopped, but most of the incidents cited are horrible examples that the victim/suspect had warrants, tried to run over the officer, etc. and could have easily avoided. This one appears to be an exception, although none of us have all the facts and probably never will. It is a tragedy if black men are taught to run any time they are stopped and then fight if need be because you are going to get badly hurt or die regardless. That seems like they are being conditioned to carry out a self-fulfilling prophesy.

They are still uniformed but not the normal uniform. They are generally in grey chargers that are, indeed, unmarked. And in case y’all wanted to know. MPD SCORPION Unit. “Street Cars Operation to Restore Peace In Our Neighborhoods”

We have had 18 year olds with permits since 2014, just had to be active military. Any reciprocity we would loose was lost then. Check out the list from Department of safety, you see those states that do and those who do not, we will not lose a single state. https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/safety/documents/handgun/Reciprocity_August_2022.pdf

From the orders of the Court.

We’ve both been on TGO for many years, and I’ve recounted several stories of my life here. There is nothing that I’ve shared that was imagined or false. Thank God you will never know the feelings I’ve expressed or experienced. It’s not as easy as cooperating. How many times have you heard law enforcement yelling for an individual to calm down while experiencing a traumatic experience? Some people can’t overcome the fear of the situation. If everything you’ve seen, heard or experienced tells you that an interaction with a cop will go south, you are currently experiencing your worst nightmare. You are correct, I would never escalate a situation or run from a cop, but that’s only because I’ve had the experience of being on the other side. Most in society don’t have that benefit.

In both of the sh*tty jobs I had in my youth that involved placing handcuffs on people, there was always a huge emphasis placed on deescalation. I don’t understand why the so called law enforcement officers of today can’t comprehend this simple skill. Very good point @Chucktshoes. I’m terrified of getting pulled over, because I’m immediately at the mercy of someone’s insecurities when they see a huge black man. A fear many will never understand.

People scared for their lives don’t think or act rationally. That makes the responsibility of the agents of the state to act correctly and justly all the more important. Yeah, it’s a difficult job, but it’s no excuse for what went on here.

This is in like new condition, having spent a majority of its time in the safe. I've taken it to the range to zero and that's it. It's a 1-8x24 ffp scope with fc-mil reticle. This is the C598 model, .2 mil, illuminated, with power throw lever and zero stop. Comes with box and everything it left the factory with. Asking $1400 ftf in and around the Murfreesboro area.

Therein is the essence of the issue. If we have a functioning definition of an adult, the age of emancipation, draft age, and age of criminal liability, then all the rights, privileges and protections of adult citizenship should thence apply. If we say yeah but not these rights or those rights and cite maturity, then we need to recalibrate the society's definition of the age of majority for all things. My son is 50 days away from 18. He is a better marksman than most LE and military, and better at actually fighting his handgun than most gun owners. At the age of 10, his *younger* brother beat 44 adults including SWAT, Recon Marines, Sheriff Deputies and several veterans in a man-on-man hostage rescue competition. Hostage rescue shot from concealment followed by cleanup of two more aggressors. Smoked 'em. Give either boy a scenario, and you'll be amazed at their situational awareness and self defense methodology. Hopefully they are never in fear for their lives, but they've trained for a very bad day to survive physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. On the other hand, some of their classmates are eating Tide Pods. So yeah, it's a struggle.

Are military allowed to carry weapons at will? No they are sheparded and controlled. I remember my grandfather lied about his age and joined the military early, at 16. Served 20 years in the Marines. Maybe the Constitution has it right and society has allowed it to go wrong.

Or he might get away. MPD has a fairly strict no pursuit policy and the bad guys are well aware. If MPD chases someone in a car (assuming they follow their own rules), they probably have a good reason. It’s not even clear (or at least I haven’t read) whether he didn’t stop, stopped and decided to leave in his car, ran away on foot, or some combination. If it turns out that he was one of those fine citizens who, in the last two years, has decided it’s ok to shut down streets at gunpoint, get 3” from other cars while changing lanes at 125mph on I-240, or do the hit-and-run routine and he finally got caught, I will have less sympathy for him. But I won’t judge him or the cops until I see some facts and evidence.

I'm sure your right about the turn signal but they said it was reckless driving. If he was involved in the street racing and concerned about losing his car, running away he would surely lose it.....JMHO

For some reason the PDF file will not load.

can you go back in time and get me one for that price too?

I have one exactly like it. They are extremely strong and well built. My is going to my Grandson. I bought it in a pawn shop in Birmingham Alabama many years ago. GLWS

Plain clothes members of the Scorpion Unit in unmarked cars. Similar to Jack Owens old Jump and Grab Unit. Yep, CJ will be out soon. She was a terrible hire. I’d like to have Tony back, but he’s sitting pretty after retirement and working privately.

I have the exact same gun with the hook bought it in 87 for $375 still have it. Auto rocks, pump sucks

While I am sure that is how you feel, I am also pretty confident that you would not run from them or escalate the situation. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part if you act like a normal person, you will be treated like a normal person. De-escalation should be standard operating procedure, but it should be on all parties to deescalate if they are really worried about their lives. Even with these 5 cops being jackwads, I highly suspect we would be having a different conversation if the kid killed had just bit his tongue and cooperated. Doesn't make it right, but I would bet big money it would make it true.

I strongly suspect that the two week delay is both to allow time for the charges to be filed and for the city to prepare for unrest when it is released.

I'm not saying I'll get kidnapped by a dude in a dress and a 3-day beard, but if it happens, this is how.

Skin color has a lot to do with it these days. Many blacks are in fact treated worse by black cops. I grew up watching it… in Memphis.

They’re cops. Their skin color doesn’t matter. Many blacks believe they’re treated worse by black cops, especially the male cops. If there are protest, the police would be smart to create a buffer zone similar to what Rawlings did several years ago and let it fizzle out. If the cops do anything that’s perceived as aggression that’s going to set it off. Lots of idiots looking for a reason to act out and destroy property.

I’m hearing local law enforcement is preparing for unrest after the video is released next week. It can probably be avoided if charges are filled prior to the video release. Secondly, I understand the need for the Scorpion unit, but car jackers disguised as cops are a regular occurrence in Memphis. Young people I’ve discussed this with are more likely to run if it’s an unmarked car or keep driving while calling 911 to ask for a marked car. Both actions that may protect one from car jackers, but will definitely piss the undercover cops off. It’s a bad situation. If those cops did what they are suspected of doing, I’d like to see them buried under the prison. This statement applies to any large city. Bad elements are more mobile than ever. Use to be our local criminals would mostly avoided the suburbs because of the high visibility of law enforcement. Now the criminals follow the easy opportunities regardless of the area. I’m scouring the country now looking for somewhere near a beach to safely settle down. I’m tired of being hyper vigilant just going out to dinner. These f’n kids today don’t care about anything. I never imagined I’d be saying those words. I’m getting old. Apparently he was beaten an tased while restrained. He arrived at the hospital in really bad shape and was unconscious and on dialysis when he died.

If you mean the piston that screws onto the barrel, you can swap out pistons. The gold pkg gives you your choice of 2. You don't need adapters on pistols, but they do sell brakes and stuff for rifles. Mine was done via old school paper which was about 14 months. Now it's e-forms and supposed to be faster. 6-9 months... We shall see.

Bought this vintage beauty yesterday. Always wanted to own one. Been sitting around listening to the four clicks: C - O - L -T

Sent extra donations to the Second Amendment Foundation as well this week. They are extremely active with numerous lawsuits making their way through the system.