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This from a seller of 80% lowers, and yes, it can be found on the internet: https://www.ar-15lowerreceivers.com/80-lower-news/can-i-build-an-80-lower-receiver-without-an-ffl/ You may have great arguments why the ATF is wrong, but I sure wouldn't want to test them. Can someone else finish my 80 lower receiver? Unsurprisingly, the answer to that is no. The ATF explains their ruling in so many words: 1. The Gun Control Act of 1968 defines an FFL as "any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution." As defined by section 921(a)(21)(A) of the Gun Control Act, "engaged in the business" means "a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade for business with the principle objective of livelihood and profit through the sale of distribution of the firearms manufactured." 2. When an unlicensed machine shop, gunsmith, or FFL receives an incomplete firearm receiver (an 80 lower, for example), performs manufacturing activity that results in "the making of a different frame or receiver and also a weapon which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile", and returns it back to the customer or builder (you), he or she has engaged in the "distribution" of a firearm. 3. According to the Gun Control Act, "any person (including any corporation or other legal entity) engaged in the business of performing machining, molding, casting, forging, printing (additive manufacturing) or other manufacturing process to create a firearm frame or receiver, or to make a frame or receiver suitable for use as part of a weapon ... which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive, i.e., a firearm, must be licensed as a manufacturer under the GCA; identify (mark) any such firearm; and maintain required manufacturer's records."

Military term. You pop a smoke grenade to let your helicopter pick up locate your position and get you out. Yeah, the way he used it sounded kinda dumb to me too.

That is where you and I differ, first we shouldn't have to SBR anything, as it is no more lethal than a rifle, maybe even less so. But I would say that someone who puts a brace on a pistol has done just about as much work as someone who goes the SBR route. They both understand the law, both want to stay legal, and both have, probably, passed a few background checks. It's just that the brace guy didn't feel like the government is due $200 and all those weeks or months of waiting to legally own a weapon which the constitution clearly says he should be able to own.

That is going to put us into territory we're not allowed to discuss but this is very debatable. I used to believe it.

Praying for the for the family's that lost loved ones, the 2 year old boy that lost both parents that day, I think of him every time I read or hear about this.

Even if it is/was perfectly legal, anyone with any assets would be an idiot to do this in this day and age. Why risk losing everything for someone that you don't know or quite honestly as mentioned can buy a jig and do it themselves. If you are afraid of screwing it up, just buy a lower and be done with it.

It's not "paranoia," it's a stated fact that it is illegal according to ATF. Don't pose a question without doing your own research and then talk poorly of those giving you assistance. That's poor character. The "grey area" you're looking for is YOU using YOUR friends jig to complete it. Not having him to do it for you.

I assume you are aware shooting people indiscriminately is already against the law. The folks who obey this law are not the problem, yet they are the only ones who would be punished by any new firearm restricting laws. Folks who don’t obey this law are the problem, and you surely don’t believe they’d suddenly choose to follow some new law.

Before The Lulz went off the deep end, he made a valid point about denying the ability to use effective tools for self defense is to essentially remove the right of self defense. A great and recent example of this comes from our neighbors up north https://www.dailywire.com/news/guns-must-not-be-used-for-self-defense-canadas-trudeau-insists

How'd this turn into a bash Daniel thread? If you don't like what a member says it's pretty easy to "Ignore" them. When the politics sub-forum was in existence I blocked several of our more impolite members, (both liberal and conservative), placing them on the "Ignore" list until after the election was over. I've written this before but I will remind everyone: We use only 7% of our communication skills when we write. That makes it very easy to misinterpret what someone writes. If you are personally offended by what someone writes then you should either direct message them, and give them a chance to clarify their meaning, or just put them on your "Ignore" list. It makes this forum much more enjoyable.

A non-sporter version in the AK platform hucking 308 pills thru a 20” barrel. Had one from the 2013 release, good rifle. Couple nice improvements in the new release. Hopefully still able to use modified M14 mags. Shipping to distributors now. Not available at retailers yet.

I'll include 40 rounds of 240gr and 40 rounds of 300gr Hornady ammo if that'll help make a deal.

Yeah, I should have distinguished between Republicans and conservatives. They are not necessarily the same.

JustEd is correct. Every gun has its own unique personality. What works perfectly in one gun, may not work at all in another of the same make and model. All you can really do is experiment with different ammo. First requirement is reliability. Second is accuracy. Most any quality self defense round will get the job done. With the current ammo situation, I'd suggest you buy a box or two and give them a try. If one is reliable, use that. At some later time when prices and availability are better, you can fine tune then. BTW: hardball has worked successfully for over 100 years now. Don't sell it short.

When you get to be my age, you will realize that $100 makes no difference in your standard of living and it is worth it to live stress free. Besides, with no stress, I could still live long enough to come out ahead. I still wish I could buy my lifetime drivers license for $200.

Picked this one up yesterday at my FFL. I bought it on another forum I belong to, it has SA Reciever, SA GI Bolt, SA GI Trigger Group, and a SA Oprod and a Krieger Bbl. Even though it's a CMP rebuild it looks great to me. Here's some pics let me know what you think about it.

We lost our Dad on December 5 last year. Back in 1972 my brother and Dad were selling donuts for the Scouts. Ran up on a man selling raffle tickets for a rifle. A deal was made, Dad bought a ticket and the man bought a box of donuts. Well the man called and Dad had won. My Dad never liked firearms so the rifle was put for a a few years. When I got older we would beg to get the rifle out and shoot. I moved off and had a family as well as my brothers and sister. The rifle was put up and forgot about. My brother got the rifle and asked me to get some ammo up so we could shoot. Well being a hand loader I had some cast and powder coated lead. Found the brass, dies and went to loading some up. On Fathers day this year my brother gave me the rifle. He and our other brother had talked about giving it to me for Fathers Day. We shot it for the first time in 35 years or more. This past Saturday my son and myself went to OK Corral to shoot. Here are is the target, now it is hard for me to see that well with iron sights, but I will say I did think I did just fine with a 50 year old rifle and my 63 year old eyes and untested loads. The hits in the red are off a rest to get crono numbers, the rest are seated off hand. The rifle has some age and a few "beauty marks".

I have an upgraded CZ Bren 2 Ms in 5.56 8.25” barrel. Has upgraded trigger and safety mechanism. It comes with the Pistol brace installed and also comes with the rifle stock - but to mount it - you will need to SBR it. $1600 Murfreesboro but can meet most anywhere in Mid TN

Nice condition model 642. Carried and shot very little. It includes 3 sets of factory grips, pink and black rubber boot grips and a set of black rubber combat grips. Also includes an Amish made leather owb holster, 100 rounds of tula and approximately 80 rounds of Remington 125 grain SJHP .38 +p self defense loads. Looking to trade for a full size semi auto such as a Glock 17, 20 or 21. Most looking for a 9mm or .45 acp. Will consider a 10mm, but no .40s please. Will also consider other quality brands of semi autos. Meet local to Oak Ridge/West Knoxville.

Three years ago Brazil elected a new President. One of his first acts was to greatly loosen the laws regarding private ownership of firearms. To date the homicide rate in that country has dropped 34%. So much for the "more guns, more crime" BS. Story here

OK so Bolsonaro is scum. But so are most world leaders. Nothing new there. It doesn't alter the fact that easing private ownership of guns resulted in a large drop in murder rates.

I would also sell the package for $500 face to face near Knoxville. No shipping

The 22 I’m talking about was just in TN. The article named a few like Beretta, Troy Industries, and S&W but didn’t list anymore other than saying 22 total in TN.

I went through a gun,ammo,reloading component move 2 years ago after the Easter tornado in Chattanooga,then I moved most of it back after the repairs.It was a chore.

I have gotten to this point with a lot of things, myself.

You are correct, sir! Politicians of all persuasions have no interest whatsoever in solving anything. They only wish to gain money, power, and create an imaginary dragon they intend to slay if you’ll just send campaign money and re-elect them. If something In their interest happens to align with your interest, you can, for the most part, chalk it up to a happy coincidence.

Here's a list. 1) Ashbury Precision Ordnance, Ruckersville, VA 2) Sturm, Ruger, Mayodan, NC 3) Para USA, Pineville, NC 4) FNH USA/Winchester, Columbia, SC 5) Ithaca Gun, Aynor, SC 6) PTR, Aynor, SC 7) Daniel Defense, Ridgeland, SC Daniel Defense, Black Creek, GA 9) MasterPiece Arms, Comer, GA 10) Lothar Walthar Precision, Cumming, GA 11) Knight’s Armament, Titusville, FL 12) Kel-Tec, Cocoa, FL 13) Diamondback, Cocoa, FL 14) Taurus/Rossi, Miami, FL 15) Heritage Manf., Miami, FL 16) Doublestar, Winchester, KY 17) Remington/Marlin, Mayfield, KY 18) Beretta, Gallatin, TN 19) Barrett, Murfreesboro, TN 20) Remington, Huntsville, AL 21) Steyr Arms, Bessemer, AL 22) Wilson Combat, Berryville, AR 23) Daisy Manf., Rogers, AR 24) Bond Arms, Granbury, TX 25) American Derringer, Waco, TX 26) STI Int’l, Georgetown, TX 27) High Standard/AMT, Houston, TX 28) Mossberg, Eagle Pass, TX 29) BPI Outdoors, Duluth, GA 30) Walther Arms, Fort Smith, AR 31) Nighthawk Custom, Berryville, AR 32) Surgeon Arms, Prague, OK 33) Shield/Texas Black Rifle, Shiner, TX 34) Alexander Arms, Radford, VA 35) Jarrett Rifles, Jackson, SC 36) American Tactical, Summerville, SC 37) Glock, Smyrna, GA 38) Core Rifle Systems, Ocala, FL 39) SCCY, Daytona Beach, FL 40) Ares Defense, Melbourne, FL 41) Serbu, Tampa, FL 42) Colt Competition, Breckenridge, TX

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Até logo...which is Portuguese for...see you later.

Actually, you haven’t schooled anyone. You basically strolled in and did the pigeon on the chessboard strut. You’re new here so this is your one free warning. We expect better of folks than this. You wanna debate your point, do it with reason and facts. Strawmanning, ad hominem and name calling aren’t helpful on any level.

Don’t think anyone can answer that. Your gun may run differently for some reason. in general, rounds which have a wide mouth “tend” to be harder to feed. Some of my guns run Speer Gold dot, some occasionally balk. Because of the barrel/feed ramp on 1911’s they “Can” be finicky Hornady seems to have a good bullet profile on their polymer tipped ammo. Old time Federal HST and HTP are quite reliable in any 45 I have had. Love Sig v crown in 9mm. Don’t have any in 45. Go with reliability first. Especially if you can’t afford to shoot a lot of them. Personally, I would not carry a round nose bullet for a concealed carry firearm.

I can’t say for certain that what you’re asking for is illegal, but it’s definitely very close to that line. You need to acquire a jig and perform the work yourself.

I think it's fine to change your mind over time on issues. Sometimes I will start to question my stance after a horrific shooting. That train of thought usually stops every time I sit down and really think about the proposed gun control laws that are presented. I honestly don't think any of them will be meaningful at all. Nearly all are just attempts to make us feel safer which I hate. The other issue is that a lot of people calling for gun control are completely uneducated on firearms. They don't understand that an assault weapon ban is really a ban on all semi auto rifles. Some people on Reddit and Twitter call for an all out ban on the 2nd amendment which isn't helpful at all. On the other hand, I'm extremely concerned about the rate these mass shootings are happening and that our government is simply incapable of doing anything to stop it. As a country, we're so divided we can't even discuss the issue in any meaningful way. No one, and I mean no one, wants to talk about how much crime occurs because of gang violence. Few want to admit just how much new gun laws would disproportionately impact minorities either. They aren't coming to the white suburbs to enforce new gun laws. I can promise you that. So day after day these shootings continue to happen and nothing changes. Republicans are extremely hypocritical because they will blame it on mental health and then refuse to pay for treatment. I want people to be safe when they go to movie theaters, parades and schools. I personally don't feel safe at these places. We have a horrible ####ed up culture that seems to get worse every day. Guns are the easiest thing to blame because we don't know what else to do. I really believe all of us share some of the blame for this, not as gun owners, but as Americans. We are consumed with work, stressed out, and are so divided we're not always decent to one another. Until some sort of top down culture shift happens this will only get worse.

I just did a quick google search for how many people in the USA died in mass shootings. It appears that out of 350,000,000 people 1,051 have died in mass shooting incidents from 1982 to July 4, 2022. While any death is one too many, I would probably consider 1,051 out of 350,000,000 over a period of 40 years in order to preserve our liberty a reasonable trade off. We have fought a lot of wars for a lot less and lost many more lives. The danger from mass shootings is way overblown.

For the record, I don't like Daniel either and frankly wish he'd just move on. However, AFAIK he hasn't committed a ban worthy offence. He just pisses people off. OTOH, preaching to the choir gets old and boring. Its good to have an opposing viewpoint now and then. What does bother me is that when a thread goes completely off topic because people can't seem to get along with each other, Surly all of you have had to deal with someone you just infuriates the Hell outta ya, but there's nothing you can do about it. Think of Daniel like that and move on. Now can we please get back to the subject at hand?

No, no public voting of that. Not how we do things around here. We have been an echo chamber for long stretches of time. It’s why I am so happy when diverse worldviews arrive and help us not to be that.

To make it clear, we aren't voting on whether to exile Daniel from the island. I do think his posts could be more thoughtful and less inflammatory, but I agree with @Chucktshoes regarding thought diversity and opposing viewpoints. I don't want to see TGO become an echo chamber, and if we run off anyone with an opposing viewpoint that's exactly what we will become.

Seems that most places in Memphis will run you $50 with tics. I’m currently using Arms Fair on Trinity Rd. They now have a dedicated transfer portal next door. I stopped going to Guns and Ammo years ago. The neighborhood is too bad.

One more question for the the guys with RIA SF. Is there a good Self defense round for these that seems to feed reliable in them? Just trying not to spend $100 on testing hollow points. My lgs had some sig V crown but I haven’t bought any yet they also had some Remington black belt I may have some old hydra shock somewhere around the house as well.

A friend joined TAC2 just for the long range and he could never get time on it. They onl schedule its use a few times a month apparently because other parts of the range need to be shut down and they never seemed willing to do it when he tried to get time on it. He quit after one year. This is all second hand info.

Best of luck with that request, sir!

Now if we could get the leftist commie media to report this, wait never mind what was I thinking.

It doesn’t me. Firearms should be a non-partisan issue. What I dislike is seeing folks who used to believe in the 2A advocating for greater firearms restrictions. “Good for me, but not for thee” types really get under skin.

Some people will buy all of this because government and media ay it’s true. Sad i am hoping people will decide these guns are to dangerous I have a wonderful buy back opportunity in my area LOL

Just picked this one up at my FFL yesterday. I purchased this one from another forum I belong to, it has an 8 3/8" Bbl.