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Honda CB500F or CB500R. There is no better starter bike if he wants a Street Bike. This is my opinion. That opinion is based on many years of owning motorcycles and tens of thousands of miles riding them. I currently have a `12 FLHP (Road King Police) that I have done a few Iron Butts on. Honda makes a great motorcycle. Probably the second best motorcycles in the world. Sure that is up for debate, some mistake folks might say they make the best. They are reliable and run forever if you maintain them. Just like their cars. Before purchase I suggest he take an MSF course, completion of which will make getting his endorsement very easy. It also teaches the core skills that will save his life on a motorcycle. Good luck to both of your sons. Riding is a lifestyle and for many, it is a way of life. *EDIT* When you say street, most motorcyclists will assume you mean a sport bike, Cruisers and Street Bikes are two different breeds. If he is interested in a cruiser, the best starter is a Shadow. Just the right power to weight ratio to have fun and learn the fundamentals. If he has to have a Harley, well, there is always the Sportster, though I am loathe to suggest them as starter bikes. They are great bikes though, cheap and plentiful too. However they are top heavy, and contrary to popular belief, they are better suited to aggressive riding that most cruisers.

I want to wish everyone on TGO and their families a Safe and Happy 4Th of July!!!!

I wear a heavy duty belt at work with a radio, g17 , 3 loaded mags and lots of other tools so when I'm off and at home I ain't wearing squat except sweat pants lol.

And while we're at it, remove the sales tax on gold and silver!!!! Can't believe I gotta pay sales tax on coins bought even on the Internet.

DVRs for thermals are anywhere between $350 and $400. That doesn't include the cable. Cheap cables are $65. I've seen them in the hundreds of dollars. I have the parts to make my own. This may be a disaster. LOL. tomorrow I install a really small microphone on to the dvr chip and wire the cable. Gotta have sound. If it works out, it'll be crazy cheap. The hard part will be converting my 3d printer over to ABS.

Be very wary of treating guns and ammo differently than any other general items in the greater sphere of commerce. Eliminating the sales tax is one of those feel good things, but it sets a precedent that guns and ammo are not general commerce items, and that restrictions on their commercial sale are allowable. Better to keep them blended into the mix.

On my 9mm, I replaced the mag release with one that comes out further to make it easier to drop the mag. Initially I had an Athlon 1-4x24 scope mounted as my eyesight doesn't do well with open sights anymore, but didn't like the way it handled. So I replaced the sights with a rail and added a Holosun 507C-GR gen 2 green dot sight. Now it's quick and easy to get on target. Lastly, a lightweight Magpul bipod was added for longer shots.

I've never had a "crotch rocket" as I call 'em, figured I would end up letting my "stupid" take over so I stayed away from them. I would think you son needs a smaller/light weight bike due to his overall size, a 500cc bike might be just the right size in terms of power/weight ratio, and taking the MSF course is a good thing. I took it years ago, and the basic skills I learned then saved my butt more than once.

Greg, the deer decimated my green beans last year, I know how that feels. As for the squash and zucchini what do they look like? Vine borers can kill them from the inside, look online to see what the moth that is active during the day looks like. They are nasty boogers for sure. Good luck!!

I haven't read the previous posts but I'll say this. COMFORT RULES !!!! My Ruger LCP holds 6+1 and I carry one in the chamber so that's 7 rds. This gun is thin and small. It fits in my front pocket with ease in a pocket holster by DeSantis. Lets be honest , when your wife or husband wants you to go to the store to grab something at an unexpected time like while you are working on something or mowing the yard , I don't want to put on my thick gun belt and load up a leather holster. I love big guns and carry them like a G21 , G17 , 1911 , and so on . But the ease of the small LCP at the last minute of the wife telling me to make a grocery store for ice cream is perfect. If in doubt carry a spare mag. It's like wearing body armor. If it ain't comfortable you ain't going to wear it. I wore the same POS vest for 5 years because I didn't want to complain and stand out as a complainer but after 5 years I said the hell with that and I got my new vest cut the way that it fits my body , my workplace sent it back to the company twice for cuts. Bottom line is that if a gun isn't comfortable carrying it then you more than likely wont carry it all the time. A gun with a small capacity is better than no gun .

My best gun buddy started tinkering around with his CZs again, so I offered him my SPD. I don't shoot it and prefer my 75B Omega when I do feel CZexy. He asked if I'd be interested in his Glock 45; great guy, just can't conceal it well due to the full size grip length. Sure, a second Glock in the house is a good thing, especially since #1 is a G3 G17. I never imagined it would become my EDC pistol, considering I'm fairly well invested the Beretta APX series. After I got it, I thought, this is odd, 19 slide/17 frame..did some Googling and discovered it's target audience is LEO vs. civilian. Good news for me as my body shape, professional and casual attire allow me to carry a full size pistol. I have for years and if I'm concerned about printing, I need smaller than the so called compact versions offered. Down to single stack subcompact size. What I like: With medium sized hands - no back strap and undercut trigger guard, I am able to get a nice high grip. My trigger finger / pad is then in a good position to consistently touch the trigger in the same place. I like the little trigger bit of take up, it's smooth with a definite wall. Click (or bang) and reset is as good as any other pistol I own. Grip shape is well done with the slight bevel on the front strap leading in the the sides, texturing is grippy but not ouchy. I like the front grasping grooves, left handed slide release and melted edged. Only upgrade: AmeriGlo sights

Follow the leader Tennessee!!! New West Virginia Law Removes Sales Tax On Guns, Ammo – Bearing Arms

Well our efforts to get a variety of things from seed turned into a lot of volunteer tomatoe plants (from mulch), sone heirloom tomatoe plants, a bell pepper plant, 2 squash, and 2 cucumbers. All the sunflowers, jalepenos, and watermelons died or never even came up. Trying to water them any evening we have not had rain. The raised beds just do not hold moisture as well.

I carry my 19s. They are unaltered as from the factory. Just something that was beat into me for years. I know it is a hot button subject, but I carry an unaltered stock gun.

I. Made my living doing electronics, instrumentation and process control. I use a beam scale. I take physics over strain gauges every time. Thanks

The Glock 45 and 19X are my 2 favorites both are awesome

They aren’t dead, they just aren’t growing much. I think a good rain would help.

I actually changed my mind on the optic. I am going with and ADE RD3-009, I have suppressor height Ameriglo Sights coming as well. I grabbed a few extra 17rd magazines this evening before the range. Lakeline makes a threaded barrel and +3 mag plates, so I am grabbing those too.

This, might be the best advice given here so far ...

I think y'all are missing an important point here. EVERYBODY has a phone. EVERY phone has a camera. EVERY idiot loves to document even the slightest infraction or even imagined infraction against them. DO NOT POSE FOR THE CAMERA!

I think a Honda 230 xr would be an awesome place to start. I told him he might even want to keep it for trail riding after moving up to a dedicated street machine.

Thanks for the suggestion, but they are too expensive for squirrel hunting.`

LMAO!!! That's funny right here!!! Cause you know dang good and well that they aren't going to reduce taxes, like ever!!!

Don't worry, as soon as we get a state income tax the sales tax rate will be reduced.

Mine was nearly mint except for a tear in the seat. A local elderly lady who did upholstery repaired that for a song. I bought it for the princely sum of $150. My first bike was a Kawasaki 100. Might have been a KZ. Then came the CB 360. My next bike was a Yamaha 175 Enduro, followed by a 360 Enduro. Those were awesome! Next up was a 79 Honda 125 CR Elsinore. It was FAST! Then A Yamaha 850 Special, complete with fairing and cassette player. My mother thought it was too big for me, so I sold it and bought a 79 Sportster. It looked smaller. Drenched in chrome, blue dot coffin tail light, and straight drag pipes! I loved that bike! Wish I still had it. Sadly, my wife doesn't share my history and love for all things with engines and two wheels. I'm retiring in September, and like it or not, a nice Harley or Indian will be my retirement present to myself. Maybe she'll adjust.

Funny you mention a CB360. My childhood friend and closest thing I have to a brother had a 360 basket case him and his dad brought home in the bed of a ford ranger and in several mayfield milk crates. We were probably 13 or so. The former owner apparently watched Easy Rider one too many times as he had made a "chopper" out of it. Unfortunately it was a .50 job because he just lengthened the down tubes and left the neck stock. Add to that a set of ape hangers and highway pegs. Also a nice touch was the glass pack cherry bomb auto pipe he had hose clamped to the end of a 2 to 1 short pipe. He lived about a mile from me and the day he finally got it running for the first time I could hear it like I was sitting right there with it lmao. Death trap for a 13 yo was an understatement but somehow he and I wore that thing to a frazzle riding the country backroads. Good times.

I wish Tennessee would, but I don't see them giving up any money anytime soon. They even tax online sales from most places. Once they get their grubby little hands on your money, they hold on for dear life ( the rest of your life).

I've had a 9mm version for an entire day now. First day of shooting went well and the gun was a lot of fun. Handles well. Trigger is similar to that of a 10/22 trigger, but it's better. Still needs an aftermarket improvement. which I'll give it soon. Easy three-inch groups at 10 yards offhand with factory sights. (I was mainly shooting pistols yesterday and didn't focus on the PCC.) I plan to bench test it 50 yards next range session. I had a takedown 10/22 that I thought was rather flimsy, and this uses the same takedown mechanism but it seems more robust.

I looked and Highwalker hasn't been on here since last September. I took one of his classes in '18 or '19, John is very knowledgeable. If someone here has his contact number, give him a ring and see how he is doing.

Worthwhile read : https://www.soundingsonline.com/voices/drowning-doesnt-look-like-drowning

I am fortunate. I’m not a real social guy, and the folks I’ve met on TGO I count among my closest friends. Many thanks to David who makes this forum possible, and the moderators who make this forum tolerable. Happy birthday America! May God bless you all.

I'm with you @Thursty the tang safety is a plus in my book.

I love a good bluegrass jamboree. I went to one out past Brushy Mountain Prison one time. We were out there on a Habitat build, and the crew we were working with said we just had to go. Instructions were, “turn on the gravel road right past the guard tower. It’ll look like you’re not supposed to be there, but everyone knows about the jamboree tonight. Go about 3 miles. You cross the creek a couple of times and come to a fork. Take the right fork and go until you think you’ve surely gone too far - then go another mile or so.” Sure enough the trees opened up right about the time we were going to turn around and there was a one room mason block building with a stage down front. I was probably 23, and never before or since have I seen so much moonshine in one place. Seems like every trunk was open with bottles inside. They held a raffle. First place was an SKS. Second place was a case of diet sprite. Best bluegrass I’ve ever heard. A guy playing the upright bass passed out drunk and fell off the stage. Two guys carried him outside and another guy just got up out of the crowd, picked up the bass, stepped back up on the stage and just joined right in.

I took the class years ago. I do not think taking legal advice from a carry instructor is wise. Laws change, it is up to each person to stay informed and understand the laws. I carry class is not even the beginning of what one needs to be prepared to carry a firearm.

If you subscribe to the Warrior Poet Society Network, Ryan Cleckner has a pretty good long range course on there you can watch. Cleckner also has a pretty good book on long range shooting.

I would also go 870 or Mossberg. Personally I like the tang safety on the Mossberg, but I know a lot of people don’t, so that’s a personal preference thing.

Protech Magic has some beautiful knifes these days. Check them out on BladeHQ

Well said chances R. That is the mindset of most folks. Try not to go into the places that would most probably be the most dangerous. We never know if or when danger will rear it's ugly head. I usually carry even when out in the garden or cutting the grass. Bad guys are opportunists and usually prey on the elderly, weak or the person that isn't aware of the situation. Be safe out there boys and girls, this isn't Kansas and it's not the wonderful world we grew up in.

Great minds... I've pocket carried my Kahr PM9 for at least a decade now, 6+1 with 6 more in another pocket. Probably plenty. But I never had quite the same secure feeling of my first 3 years or so with an XD subbie carried IWB. So got by Harvey's the other day, first time in well over a year, and surprisingly they had just gotten some Hellcats. Compared to the PM it is .5" longer, all other dimensions same. No brainer, jumped on it. Soon as my Alabama pocket holster comes in, I'll be doing 11+1 plus whatever spare I decide on (Springfield is making a 15 rounder now, so that might be an option). Also, though the Kahr is rather unique trigger which I don't hate, I do prefer the exact release point and short reset of the Hellcat. I do wish they had named it something a bit less bellicose sounding just for the PR of carrying in general, but whatever. - OS

Sadly, in " My Heart of Hearts " , i strongly feel the same way Brother... There are, indeed, places where this will happen... Let us hope n pray its not in our own back yards... SIGH... leroy...

LOL @leroy! I agree with your sentiment but have come to the opposite conclusion. I believe it is their intent to increase the level of violence. You ain't seen nothing, yet.

You could do as I did and join the Marine Corps. But Mike's right, if you can hit consistently at 500 meters then it's just a matter of increment.

We are simply seeing things we simply have never seenin our lifetime. " Tombstone " is becoming the norm where it had been tamped down for over 120 years. If the adults don't take the local and state gubts back over, even in places like Knoxburg, everybody may be carryin ARs, AKs, n Shotguns along with their pistolas wherever they go... The adult political class of both flavors is gonna have ta quit coddling this trash n come down on em to restore the peace. This spate of treating these gangs of hoodlums like " patriots " and slappin their wrists for criminal acts and intimidating folks they dont approve of needs to be over before Charles Manson's war begins... leroy...

Ammo simply equals opportunity. If you only have 5 rounds then you only have 5 opportunities to change the behavior of how ever many persons that need their behavior changed. Also pistols are simply harder to shoot accurately under stress than rifles or shotguns. Assuming that we might degrade 25% under extreme stress (some way more and some way less dependent upon recent relevant training and level they have internalized that training ) then we may not have 5 HITS to distribute among the bad guys. So it is pretty imperative that if we are going to roll with a limited capacity gun then our skill needs to make up for the deficiency in capacity. Especially when the trends are toward about half the time there being more than 1 bad guy. And a revolver reload is not something we often see happen in close range gunfights. Typically it is over one way or the other with what is in the first cylinder (or magazine of an auto pistol) ....that means you are most likely going to win or lose with what is in the gun. I'd simply prefer to have more opportunities in the gun than less and a 10 -15 opportunity pistol gives more chances of stopping someone than a 5 or 6 shot pistol. Math is math and it does not take the day off. AJ mentioned Tom Givens. When Tom and I met back in Jan 2006 he was still carrying a 1911 and 2 spare mags. By Jan 2007 he had switched to a Glock 35 and 2 spare mags. I asked him why he gave up the old technology and he said that he was about 97% as good with the G35 as he was with the 1911 and that the 1911 was a "2 person gun" where as the G35 was a "3 person gun" and with the crime data in Memphis showing about 3 multiple assailant aggravated assaults per day he felt better with more bullets than less bullets. As for me all that time I was rolling with a G34 with 20 in the gun and a spare 19rd mag. I kidded Tom that it was really me that had pushed him over the edge to the dark side and the G35. So what does all this mean? Whatever you want it to. I have no ego investment in what anyone carries. But simply put more ammo means more chances to change behavior and less time reloading. Having to reload mid gunfight suck and having to do it one handed because you are injured sucks even more. So I prefer to have enough on board capacity in the gun to solve most problems short of alien invasion or zombie apocalypse without having to reload. But then I'm more concerned with the folks that don't choose to stop than I am with the "statistical average".

I suspect that some of the victims of the riots in the past year might not agree with your first sentence. The problem is that nobody truly knows what situation to expect whenever they walk out the front door. Anything can happen anywhere, anytime.

A guy could pull a Derringer on me and I wouldn't want him shooting at me 2 times.

Look at stats for defensive firearms use by armed citizens. Also, you might read the recently released "Real Shootouts of the LAPD -- Off Duty Incidents, Volume 1" by Claude Werner. This studies every off-duty shooting (burglary, assault, etc.) by LAPD officers since 2005, so it should be similar to what average citizens experience. One similarity: Firing of more than two shots is extremely rare. That said, it doesn't mean that the need for more than two shots never happens, and you don't want to be the statistical outlier if you're the person involved in a defensive situation where you need more than that. I carry a semiauto most of the time. But just yesterday I carried a J-frame 38 for a while. Make your own choices, but you might take some comfort in the knowledge that it's extremely unlikely you will need more than five rounds. Cheers, Whisper

And bucking the trend as usual: I've always thought six in a revolver is plenty, and revolvers are darned near jamb-proof. And I often carry a .45ACP with 7. I've always thought that THE perfect self-defense weapon is a pump-action 12g. Anyone who hears that distinctive ker-chunk and keeps on coming deserves what will happen next. Hard to conceal, though.....

The disturbing trend in violent crime encounters is multiple bad guys and girls. Not likely to have time to reload a revolver and figure a minimum of 2 seconds for a pistol, if you're good, practice continuously and not entangled / fending off. And a Tom Givens-ism: a high capacity pistol is not so you can shoot more, it is so you have to reload less. Depending on environment and attire, I will carry a single stack (and a back up) but prefer a full size or compact equivalent for EDC (with a back up) In a society where criminals are emboldened due to the political landscape, do you want to be less armed?