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People all over the world and on this board have been arguing back and forth about this virus for over a year now. Both sides have valid points, but are also just rehashing the same things over and over again. I. too, believe that there is some sort of conspiracy involved, perhaps many. But I still don't know what, why or who might be involved. Odds are that none of us will ever know for sure. I see no point in continuing to beat this poor, dead horse. The one thing that I do know is that on the advice of several of my personal doctors, whom I trust and have managed to keep my sorry butt alive much longer than I should have, I was a good puppy and got my shots. I will keep wearing a mask and I will keep social distancing. I truly believe we have a very long way to go yet. What you do or believe is entirely up to you.

Saying that this virus doesn’t kill because you survived it is like saying bullets do not kill because you got shot and lived.

If the hipster would learn how to serve a proper plate of grub that actually fills one up, they wouldn’t need to ruin it for all the country folks that like to eat animal parts.

Thanks to a tip from a buddy on the Henry rifle forum, I scored 4 lbs. IMR4198 on Hogdons' site. They sell direct to the public when they have some. I wasn't aware of this til yesterday. No idea what's there now, but might want to check it out & keep a watchful eye later. You an also sign up for email notifications.

I see having to provide ID to online ammo retailers being a thing in the near future. I’m kinda surprised it hasn’t already been implemented to be honest.

Well. That title covers a lot of territory doesn't it? Had 2 scheduled checkups and blood draws today. My GP and my Oncologist. I talked with both about the Covid Vaccines and my feelings and health issues relating to whether or not to take it. Interesting conversations from both. Especially the gentleman who actually drew the blood. We covered about everything from the source, the intent, and the possible outcomes of this pandemic. Even got into some of the religion side...Revelation and Mark of the Beast territory. But the core of all this is that my Oncologist's comments were this..."Do it. Do it Now!" You are at major risk. Walking time bomb. Just waiting to be infected. Really said that. Well, it seemed that TnOncology was vaccinating all their patients. And since I was in one office, a call was made and I was quite literally immediately shoved out the door and sent to the one where there were some shots still available. So...in spite of my comments here previously; I received the 1st dose of the Moderna Vaccine today. I do feel rather much a hypocrite right now. But it's done. We shall see what happens.

I was thinking something else.

Well...I really didn't expect the reactions from so many when I started my little comment. Guess I wasn't thinking to well. I've watched and read all these comments and as ReeferMac says, I believe only time will tell who, if any, of us is right or wrong. I've talked to friends, family, neighbors, and some of us here about my decision and the opinions of each. Those opinions are just as varied as we have here. Can't say that my own perception of the vaccines have really changed in the last 2 weeks. In retrospect, had I not held such a high opinion of my Oncologist; I believe I would not have taken the vaccine. But that cannot be undone. So whatever my personal outcome, it's in God's Hands. But, it surely cannot be mass hysteria that so many around this nation and the world still question the virus and it's origins, it's effects and lethality, the vaccines, and the possible motives behind it all. I was a "sheeple" for many years, most of my life in fact. Never questioned anything. Took what was said and handed to me at face value. It must be true and good for me. The TV and government said so. I lived...no...existed. Watching the world and my life go by. What changed my and my outlook is personal and not open for discussion at this time. What is important is that I did begin to look around. To see the world beyond my 2 foot personal space. To think. To question people, government. Ask why we are so obsessed with things. Why do we accept because a "leader" tells us it is so, right, and true. When did we start believing the comments of a "celebrity" was always the truth and more important than mine? I opened my eyes. For the first time I think. Not that I'm a great and wise man. Far from it. But I'm looking, questioning, and hopefully learning now. So back to the Covid-19, and now it's variants. Was this a man-made virus? I say absolutely Yes to that. I don't believe that it came from a fruit market where bats, rats, or whatever lived. It came from the WuHan Lab. Far too many established medical professionals attest to this. Even the former Director of the CDC says it is. My lay opinion has not changed one whit on that. When first brought to national attention, "News" readers told us that it did come from the Wuhan labs and that a, or multiple technicians had been affected and had been the cause of the infection's spreading. That was squelched about two days in and all references and video removed. I KNOW I saw and heard it, as I'm sure many others did as well. Whether this was an accidental release, or...as I, in my tinfoil hat theories contend; it was a test release at the least. Just to determine our, the US's and the world's reactions and capabilities to respond to a viral release/attack. Agree with me or not, this virus has changed our lives, our country, and our world for the worse. Jobs lost. Businesses closed, many forever. Lives of families changed. Schools and universities closed. Social interactions curtailed. Dependence on government "Help, even Rescue" pushed to an extent we would not have thought possible. Living online almost 24/7. Damage to the nuclear family, which was already hanging by a thread, pushed further along towards complete loss. Many(more) accepting a government dole rather than working. Well you should be able to see it as well. Agree or not, it's your choice. But I think it is clearly a plan that at best is allowing the inmates to run the asylum; and at worst, a plan to fully control our lives. We have seen and talked of the "cradle to grave" government over the past few decades. I think I's here now. Just a few short steps away from fruition for our controllers. Whether you believe those in control to be some Uber-rich, Elitist New World Order, a military cabal, or just the Illuminiti coming to power at long last; Change has come. And it is here to stay.

If in any doubt do what your gut tells you to do. If you get a weird feeling then tell them you'll pass. If you still want to buy or sell the gun then tell them to meet you at the police department where it's on video for both you guys safety. That will weed out most bad ones.

Its Memphis. Nothing those idiots do surprises me one bit. I doubt there are two active brain cells in the entire city council.

This is the same council, albeit different members, that claimed there would be blood in the streets if people were allowed to carry into resturaunts/bars.

As a former design engineer for various consumer products, I can assure you our legal system disagrees. The concept of "reasonably foreseeable misuse" is a thing. Personally, I think it's asinine. Individual responsibility be damned and all that. But I've been involved in a case and known of several others.

During one of the many restorations of the Tower of London, workers discovered a "secret room" in the original foundation walls of the crypt. Although no extant documents reveal the purpose of this niche, archaeologists generally think it was probably used as a vault room, for important documents and storage of extra weapons. Hiding arms for future use has a long tradition ...

Proving once again that fear isn't rational. The council fears guns and thinks if they are banned, they are magically safe. What they fail to realize (acknowledge?) is that guns are already being carried & used by those they should fear (criminals). But honest people are currently at the mercy of those that already flaunt the law. Permitless carry (aka, Constitutional Carry) merely levels the playing field & violent crime will go DOWN as a result. Chicago politicians have followed the same thinking as the Memphis City Council for many years. Same outcome (300+ murders per year.) What is that definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over & over again, but expecting a different result. The governor is on the right path. Thankfully the Memphis council can't over-rule state law.

Thanks Mamba. I'll look into them.

That's like reasoning that a fat guy who got run over by a bus was killed by obesity because he couldn't get out of the way fast enough. - OS

Another that I'm familiar with is Winchester 1300, if you can find one.

Long term? I've still got my Daddy's Remington 11-48 that he bought used back in the early 1950s. He used it quite a bit and it was my hunting shotgun for many years until I finally quit hunting. I still shoot it now and then and it works just fine. Most any quality shotgun will outlast your lifetime will decent care. If I were you, I'd wait until a good Remington or Mossberg is available.

We’re ok, but maybe a little off in the head.

I had this big long response, but we all have our own lives to live, just be safe, be smart and remember God loves us all. It thank the Lord for another day, every day.

Me too! Started carrying a small sling pack and still have full pockets! I just cant win, lol.

That’s a cool grinder. Winchester made all manner of things. It would be neat to have a collection/display of some of the things they made. Arthur Savage made tires before getting into the gun business. Gunmakers were for the most part entrepreneurs that just happened to discover manufacturing firearms could be profitable.

Sorry for your friends loss. History I believe will not be kind to this period of time. The things that have happened astound me. I literally, find myself at a loss to put the magnitude into words. The future I both welcome, and shudder at. The only way out is through, many of us here will not survive. May God have mercy on our souls.

Well if the council and other elected officials did their job better then maybe they would be safer!

lol no one. No one is behind the curtain. It is a bogey man they are using to keep from being blamed. They dont support it nor believe in it so they wont vote for it but to keep voters for them they say it's someone else.

Superdrag!

Ex-snipers get "re-snipered" regularly. You can pick up a refurbed PU scope, or one of the reproduction scopes and mounts that were made in Eastern Europe or Ukraine a few years ago. A good gunsmith can drill and tap for the base. BTW, although original scopes are readily available, mounts and bases tend to be rarer, and pricey when you find an original Russian example. As such, if you pay to have a competent gunsmith to "re-sniper" one, and buy original parts, you typically wind up with a gun that costs you as much or more than what the original snipers go for ...

1910 Packard, well guarded, in Mexico

Well my friend’s mother died of Covid yesterday morning, approximately five weeks after getting her second vaccine shot. She was perfectly healthy before getting either shot. He will not be getting the vaccine. Imagine that.

As much as I carry in the cargo pockets of my pants, it's been suggested that I just use a daypack instead. In the summer they really get loaded down as I don't wear a jacket to use for pocket space. Not sure if a lighter weight shorts would work for me.

It’s thick. I have that same problem. I’ve got some that are 5 years old and have yet to poke a hole in them.

I'm a big fan of the patagonia lightweight shorts. Maybe not as durable as some of the duluth options others have called out, but the breathability is worth it to not fight swamp a$$ all summer.

Sounds like one of the many people who think they can justify their paycheck simply with their physical presence in a building. Personally I have a low opinion of VP's in general. In my experience they are mostly good for taking credit for the work done by the directors, senior managers, managers, and engineers below them while having none of the responsibility and potential blowback of the President/CEO/Owner above them. If I am not physically operating a piece of equipment or physically inspecting a machine/part/component I can do my job from anywhere with an internet connection. I don't need a desk in a plant to look at a CAD model, drawing, or pile of data.

I find the Wrangler carpenter style shorts (& pants) very comfy, and wear well. I prefer my clothes on the loose side so I'm not all bound up when sitting, etc., or mowing the yard, yada yada yada.

My question is who is the person behind the curtain everyone (legislators) keep alluding to as not allowing us to enjoy all the 2nd Amendment? What power is granted this individual, or cabal if it be, by the Constitutions of the State and Union to deny your your Right to arms clearly enumerated by the Constitutions, and in light of the McDonald v. City of Chicago decision where the 2nd was incorporated against the state by the 14th? Would each of us feel ill treated if these miscreants decided to limit us each to one nostril to breath with, seeing as to how they have determined themselves to be the final arbiter of how much of anything we can have, oxygen in the atmosphere being another thing our Creator gave us? Not on point possibly but consistent I think...

I don't think there are many Republican politicians that are REALLY die hard about gun rights. They certainly aren't freedom loving in general. It isn't surprising to me that we haven't been able to make this happen yet.

I agree with others on here. Its hard for me to understand how we can have a conservative gov and legislature yet not pass all the good gun bills. We should have a real constitutional carry bill as well as removing restricted on locations to carry.

Welcome to the new members. I just passed my 7th year here on TGO and I stay around for a lot reasons...all of them being examples of this just being a great place to hang out on the internet. I'm all for new folks joining the site; especially if they're paying for the privilege as a benefactor. And while I'm not much of a buy/sell type through here compared to some, I'm also a-okay being someone's first transaction partner. If they're minding their Ps and Qs as they get the lay of the place, not trying to make themselves out to be the best new member in the history of ever, and don't have anything giving me reservation...no issues doing business if it suits us both.

I don't buy or sell with anyone who has no reputation points, and I'm confident others here take the same precaution. I think it's fine for new folks to get involved in the classifieds if they pay to become benefactors, but I just feel better dealing with someone who's been around a little while. Cheers, Whisper

A VP at the plant where I use to work said if they can work from home somebody in India can work from home cheaper

Why not just go with a 870? Plenty of them have screw-in chokes. The other option is a Mossberg 500 variant. Also has plenty of screw-in chokes. Both have vast aftermarket support in parts, accesories, stocks, and also a plethora of choke tubes to pick from. You can accesorize to go from ducks, to turkeys, to deer, to tactical all with the same reciever. It's just a matter of swapping out bits.

New bit of information came in. May get the best of both worlds. Fingers crossed.

Close. It's an upgrade to a semi automated system that requires less human interaction. It does require one specific job that I'm qualified for. If there is an incident, it will get the same news coverage as an airplane crash. We also have a habit of fast cars, fast bikes, and loose woman. Depending on the job you're in, you could be living in two different places a few hundred miles away from each other. Guys do crazy things. My drugs of choice are guns and fast cars.

Cool find. Bill Ruger made drills before firearms.

Millions of people with heart issues, lung issues, diabetes were living relatively normal lives with their respective health treatments. Then they caught Covid and croaked. Strange how their existing maladies all flared up at once enough to kill them, eh? Not to mention all the folks who had NO significant health issues and died after contracting it. - OS

.gov propaganda, first it was you do not need a mask, then wear a mask, if you can smell a fart the mask aint working.

I always heard a wise man changes his mind often.

Your doctor knows a lot more than the internet. I’m glad you’re squared away.