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Look, I am really sick of this crap. Everything we have done lately has been designed to keep TGO available for all of us. Read this story: https://rantingly.com/godaddy-cancels-ar15-com/ This could easily happen to us. I am working NOW to set up a contingency plan. If you can't work with us on this, then get the hell off of TGO and go somewhere else. I can't fight THEM and fight you guys here.

I'll post this link but there are hundreds of other sites you can find it from. Go search it for yourself and pick your poison. https://www.wtxl.com/news/national-news/fbi-armed-protests-planned-at-all-50-state-capitals-u-s-capitol If I were you, I would think twice or more before participating in any of these things. At best it is a fundamentally bad idea with horrible timing and terrible Public Relations optics being promoted by overzealous but genuine lovers of freedom. At worst it is a giant PsyOp being spurred on by people who want to decimate the Second Amendment. Either way, it is going to be used to paint gun owners as a threat to civilized society the moment ANY of it goes wrong in ANY state. All it is going to take is for one armed group to clash with the police or National Guard or for a report that an innocent was harmed by an armed protestor, and it will be used to ramrod unconstitutional gun restrictions through the Legislature at lightning speed and with the backing of a frightened public. Let's be honest about an inconvenient truth: Guns scare people who don't own them and don't use them. Hard stop. Accept it. I have spoken numerous times here and on the Shooters Nation Podcast about the need to be good evangelists of the Second Amendment by making gun ownership normal and less scary to people on the fence about it. I have told anyone who would listen that a gun is not a public relations tool, and that open carry -- especially at protests and rallies -- does nothing but further polarize an already scared and skeptical voter base against the cause. Regardless of how many times I scream it from the rooftops, there are always the loud voices inside the gun community who want to holler about "MUH RIGHTS!" or "YoU AReNt A TrUE PaTRIoT ArE YoU, YoU PuSSY?!" and who want to shout me off the stage and tell me to go to hell for insinuating that God, Jesus and Moses don't really want them carrying their AR15 to picket a government building or elementary school. Well, allow me to scream it from the rooftop one more time: If you were thinking about going to one of those events, for the sake of everyone else if not for your own safety, stay the F home. Don't scare the sheep. Don't give the salivating media the photo-op that they are this very moment sitting at their desks with enormous boners hoping you'll give them. Don't freak out your neighbors. Don't give the rest of us a bad name. Don't put yourself on some [other] government watch list. Don't be a useful idiot playing into the hands of people who want to destroy the 2A! If you want to do an ill-advised armed protest, do it a few months from now. Don't do it this month. Don't do it on Inauguration Day. Don't be a dick. This has been my TED Talk.

Add TGOBACKUP.COM to your Internet bookmarks immediately. If we lose our domain registration with GoDaddy as part of the ongoing assault against Free Speech, we will re-home to the domain name TGOBACKUP.COM as quickly as possible. Today, 11-JANUARY-2021, GoDaddy de-platformed AR15.com by cutting off their DNS registration. You can read more about that here: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-deplatforming-continues-godaddy-boots-ar15-com/ The new TGOBACKUP.COM domain is not active presently. It will go live if we get cancelled by GoDaddy.

I'm locking this thread for now. It's not because I don't think that the new administration/congress will be anti-gun. It's because there's nothing but Facebook fear mongering in the posts above. The "13 page app" that was posted was the ATF Form 1 application to make a firearm. Post the text of a bill from the current Congress. Even the text of the platform of the incoming administration. But do some research - we have to do better with actual facts.

In the last 5 minutes I joined the TFA, GOA, and FPC that Elliot mentioned. I'm not giving the NRA another dime until I see changes. I hope the bastards in Washington like me putting my $600 check to good use. I know everyone else here got a check so now I'll ask, who's next?

I'm not sure it matters. What matters is what the staff decides. If there is one thing I've learned after being here 11 years it's that TGO is not a Democracy. I hated David's decision to shut down politics but I'm going to respect his decision like he asked. I think what they are trying to avoid now is misinformation or speculation which is exactly what was in the thread that MacGyver locked earlier. The next 2-4 years are going to be full of people constantly speculating and worrying about pending gun control. We've been down this path before. If folks are going to start a thread I don't think asking them to list a source is really that crazy of a request. I wish this was still true. I really do.

I should have also added to the above, there *is* a new administration about to start - and all the tech companies are going to bend over backwards without any prompting to look like they're playing nice for a while to avoid regulation.

There are probably two ways to think about them: 1. It looks like they've gotten a few hundred thousand overall downloads. That's not quite to the point where they need to think about scale like Facebook - but it's quickly approaching where they need an actual business model that lets them make money. To my knowledge they haven't received VC funding, so that cliff is going to come sooner rather than later. Especially now that downloads seem to be slowing - it'll be hard to fundraise if your subscribers aren't going "up and to the right." 2. Probably more relevant right now in that people are looking for a place to go since Parler shut down is the conversation that practically every corporate attorney in America is having today. That is, how do you define "providing material support" to an insurrection? That's what has caused Apple, Google, and Amazon to remove Parler. It's what's caused 14 of the biggest tech companies on the planet to deplatform the most powerful man in the world. It's what's caused companies like DOW and Ford to immediately suspend all donations to members of Congress who supported overturning the results of AZ, GA, and PA - https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2021/01/11/ford-dow-suspend-political-donations-capitol-riot/6623557002/ It's what caused Cumulus Media to tell hosts like Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, and Dan Bongino to stop talking about the election being stolen at risk of having their contracts terminated: https://www.ajc.com/life/radiotvtalk-blog/cumulus-media-tells-its-conservative-talk-show-hosts-to-stop-talking-about-a-stolen-election/PE2VM6SQKBFBZBULQTFZLQUV7A/ Y'all can form your own opinion on whether you think this is justified or not - but I expect you'll see more examples in coming days. This is just to give an idea of the conversations management teams are having with counsel behind the scenes.

Is this a forum or a news outlet? These forums are about opinions. Sure, great if there is some additional backup, but that has never been a requirement nor should it be. People can decide for themselves what is pertinent. We don’t need others telling us what we should believe are facts or not.

Rules Addendum: 2A Legislation and Politics Forum By now you should have read the general TGO Rules and Guidelines as part of the process to join TGO or perhaps because we reference them in quite a few places. I will point to two things within them, and make an additional statement about how we expect the 2A Legislation and Politics sub-forum to be handled. From the TGO Rules and Guidelines: Rule #1: Maintain good fellowship. There will be times that you do not agree with someone else, and times when no one else agrees with you. No matter what the case may be, you are expected to handle differences and disagreements with maturity and tact. Handled responsibly, debates are welcomed and even encouraged, however, name calling, slurs, flame posts, and other insulting remarks meant to cause conflict are not allowed. You don't have to agree, but you do have to try to get along. If someone is being abusive, report it to the TGO Staff. Rule #2: Do not engage in or promote illegal, unethical or threatening activities. You may not use this website to promote illegal, unethical, threatening or seditious activities, including but not limited to intentionally sharing private, semi-private or identifying information about people with malicious intent (aka "doxxing"), cyber bullying, fomenting sedition or calling for violent action against lawful government institutions, their employees, or elected representatives. You should carefully consider that what you say here today could haunt you elsewhere tomorrow. The Internet provides an almost indelible record of everything said or done on websites such as this and there are many eyes upon us. The fact that those are the first two rules is not by coincidence. They are the two most important things a member of TGO can do to help us keep this place civil, welcoming and in good standing with the community of gun owners at large and certainly with our own respective physical communities. The best way I can sum up those two rules is "Don't be a jerk and don't act like a criminal". Most of us probably heard some variation of that from the adults in our lives while we were growing up, so it should be old hat by now. Beyond those two things, I want to just make another simple appeal: Don't ruin this. There will be zero tolerance for anyone who can't handle mature conversations in the 2A Legislation and Politics sub-forum. This is the only place left on TGO where we care to have political matters discussed. We have forbidden politics anywhere else within this community because of how divisive and emotional it always becomes. But we aren't ignorant of the fact that politics and law are significant components of the world of firearms. It would be nice to believe that one day our country will stop trying to tear apart what the Founding Fathers codified in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but until that happens the matter of the right of the people to keep and bear arms will be a point of political focus. It is imperative that we are aware of this and stay engaged with elected representatives to preserve the Second Amendment. We won't be getting rid of this sub-forum just because a person can't handle the topics responsibly. We also will not be responding favorably, as moderators or members, when abuses occur. Be nice, follow the rules, or you will be shown to the door. Thanks.

I must not be listening enough, but I have yet to hear much from NPR that leans even one degree right of center.

https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000858.htm Or just write it down on a Post-It note and slap it on the fridge.

@gregintenn I really appreciate this thread. Lets keep the participation levels up. I cannot stress everyone enough, join at least one Pro-2nd Amendment group! If you have a few dollars to spare or can maybe skip a few coffees this month, join multiple!

Join as many of the orgs as you can. Asymmetrical warfare. NRA, FPC, TFA would be my recommendations at a bare minimum. GOA, maybe. I am not convinced of their effectiveness but I am a life member so... *shrug*

I'm a lifetime member of TFA, GOA, NRA and couple others I can't think of off top of my head. I also donate each year. It's going to take some big dogs in this fight so a bunch of us little dogs need to pony up. Do I agree with everything each organization does, no, but we will not do it alone.

I never have understood the whole social media thing. Aside from a couple of gun forums like this one, I don't do social media at all. I don't face. twit, or anything else. What info I do put on the internet about myself I'm very selective about. It seems that the people in this country, especially the young folks, are so insecure about themselves that they feel the need to put their entire life on the internet and seek validation from total strangers. How sad is that? And what does it say about the state of our nation? I prefer to be the Gray Man. Just easing through life un-noticed, minding my own business and attracting very little attention at all. I'm much happier that way.

So, I'm guessing there is NO safe social media outlet where folks can have an opposing view to the left? I'm starting to be reminded of the 1930's in Germany.

United We Stand. Divided We Fall. From this point forward, non Second Amendment political and legislative discussions are no longer welcome on TGO. Longtime members of TGO may now roll their eyes and mutter, "Not this crap again. We've been here before." Rightly so. We have attempted several times to allow our members to discuss general politics in a mature manner. We have begged, pleaded, threatened and banned in the effort of making it work. It never does. It always falls apart. There is barely such a thing as polite and respectful political discourse in mixed company even when you limit it to talking about firearms and the right to bear them. Thankfully that is what TGO is about. The right to bear arms. We are staunch supporters of the Second Amendment. We are also not ignorant to the fact that we must educate and inform each other when it comes to politics and those political creatures we mentioned previously. We cannot put our heads in the sand. We discuss these things as a matter of necessity - not because we find it enjoyable. But that is where we now draw the line. From now on, if it isn't about politics or legislation that directly affects the Second Amendment, take it somewhere else. We don't need the division here. It is almost cyclical, but the next four years look bleak for gun owners. We are going to have to be more united than ever. We have to find our common ground and stand together atop it. We cannot waver and we must remind ourselves that no matter our differences we are still Americans and, hopefully, we are proponents and defenders of the Second Amendment. We hope you understand. If you don't and you disagree, we hope you'll at least respect the decision. And if you can't do that, we hope you'll find a new place to talk about politics and guns and whatever else. Because it won't be here. I'm done with it and I care about you all and about our freedoms too much to suffer another moment of division and bickering about anything more consequential than your favorite sportsball team. United We Stand. Divided We Fall. God Save The Republic.

So, i'm a pig hunter. Rabidly so, in fact. I prefer hunting hogs to just about anything else on the planet. I've hunted them in 8 states & on 3 continents. But tonight I did something I never ever thought i'd manage. I. Shot. A. MONSTER! I have to add, this was completely free range. No lodge, no fences, no pay-to-play & it was here in middle TN.... just a straight up hand to God feral hog. I've seen big pigs before. The kind of hogs that really get your blood pumping, but in 12 years & probably thousands of hours of hunt time I've never, ever seen a pig like this. 12 FOOT, running neck shot with my .300blk.

One of the fatalities last week literally died of a heart attack after accidentally tasing himself in the nuts. Don’t be that guy that makes your family answer to that for generations to come.

We as responsible and law abiding gun owners need to stay above this. We accomplish nothing by acting out. We will give the anti-gunners all the reason in the world to paint us as bloodthirsty gun nuts hell bent on terrorizing our fellow citizens and furthering their resolve to strip us of out 2A rights. We have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

Here's mine...part of me wants one of those binary triggers and the other part says ammo goes too fast at one at a time.

Many of us just received a stimulus payment, right? I can’t think of many better ways one could put it to good use.

I can hear it now "aaaachhhthuallly arfdotcom was toooooxic and it wont go any further because they're just cleaning up and <insert reasons why it will be fixed/won't go further here> and beeeeesiiiiiiides <insert private company rant here>."

I renewed my NRA membership last week and I just joined TFA and FPC. FPC makes it easy with Apple pay.

Life member of the NRA, GOA and annual member of TFA and the FPC. FPC is busy hitting everyone and their brother with lawsuits over 2A infringements. They can definitely use the help.

Godaddy booted Arfcom. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ6u6hoh9vm/?igshid=i0n60buzc2z0

I don't think it's too much to ask for folks to cite what they're starting a conversation over if it's about some proposed legislation or executive action. It's a waste of time when we get into, "I was reading" or " a friend told me", when there isn't anything substantive to back it up.

I spoke a little bit earlier about Parler having no meaningful information security protections in place. It gets worse (better?) It seems that their lack of forward planning is now having the entire site mined of data - and that even when users deleted stuff - they didn't actually get rid of it. So, now you have users who uploaded their actual drivers license being added to no fly lists in realtime. We've had questions about who's behind Parler for months now. I mean, their founder went to Russia, met a girl, got married in a government facility, and came back and developed the app with no apparent source of funding other than Dan Bongino (who doesn't have anywhere close to the funding it would take to scale something like this.) I want to say this clearly to anyone here who might have uploaded their license data to be a "verified citizen." Make sure you've invested in good identity theft protection from a provider who knows what they're doing. You're likely to need it in the coming months. Forget the fact that you uploaded your ID to a foreign intelligence service. Since all of this data is about to be publicly available - there are going to be plenty of folks who will be quite willing to misuse that data to purchase cars, open credit accounts, traffic in stolen goods...you get the idea.

Actually there is a lot of factual error, but its inter-dispersed with other opinions rooted in some factual basis for him give to give it the appearance of not being complete left rhetoric . Its the lefts argument against the extreme rights take. He IS hardcore left guy, using partial facts as smoke and mirrors to get guys to say, hey he’s sounds like he has a lot of info and facts do thru dont question the BS opinion. I saw a number of non facts or lies to support his Position, that non gun people wouldn’t know better. I assumed Gun folks would, but maybe not. Off the top of my head, I’ll pick two. 1. Gun nuts buy 6920 Colts since you can drop in an auto sear. Complete BS. The pocket is not machine for a mil spec auto sear, and the web prevents a DIAS. 2. the CA AK based mass shooter would have been stopped because you can’t buy an AK47 variant in CA. Complete BS. You can get them all day long provided you make it featureless. Its really unfortunate that this can’t be seen thru more easily, worse that he has a platform. But sadly, he is high functioning and most of the voting public isn’t. Easy pickin’s

Well, since we can't act like children anymore I figured I might as well delve into something that I have been wanting to do for a while. My dad was given this rifle in the mid 80's by his great uncle. I don't really know where he got it, but would like to think it has been in the family a long time. It has been sitting in a safe since then and I decided it was time to get it out and shoot it. I ordered brass, bullets, and dies and am ready to load up some rounds (32 wcf). I figured it would be prudent to probably give it a good work through before starting so I decided tonight was the night to start disassembly. From the looks of it, this thing potentially hasn't been apart for probably 100 years. The amount of dirt and grime in it is just amazing. Makes one wonder where it has been and what it has seen. It was clearly used and used a lot which I kind of like. That's what guns are for. I am not really into old guns, but it does make a difference when you know it has been in the family. Got a lot of it apart, but I can't get the forearm off. Debating how to do it. It wont move forward far enough to clear the receiver so it will drop down. It's hitting the dovetailed piece where the metal forecap screws in. It's amazing how tight of tolerance these things had. I suspect it was tight to start and may have swelled a bit over time. Anyway, wasn't in the mood to start getting too aggressive with it just yet. Will probably have to remove a bit of wood from the inside of the forearm to clear the forecap connector. I won't be doing any major restoration and ruin what value it does have, but man does it need a cleaning. Hopefully next time I post it looks like a complete rifle again. Thought some of you may enjoy one of the truly classic old guns.

Margot Robbie is one of the hottest women in Hollywood right now. She’s an Australian actress who you might remember from the Wolf of Wall Street or as Harley Quinn in the DCEU.

Nah, I haven't bought anything yet but I'm being opportunistic for whatever comes up on the used market. My lawyers are telling me not to comment on if it works on my wife or not.

Or $45 for household (husband and wife). Thank you, GlockSpock! Who's next? If not the TFA, please pick out some gun rights organization and support them. I don't care if you post it here or not, but we are about to have a fight on our hands.

The stories of misconduct are nothing new. Like any large metro department, there are now, and always have been, problem officers in it. Simple matter of numbers. How it compares to other departments of similar size, I can’t say. What I do know is 20 years ago there were some straight shenanigans going on. I can’t imagine it’s changed all that much.

"Security researchers claim to have downloaded a huge amount of information from Parler before the service was taken offline by Amazon Web Services. The app, which was popular with many supporters of US President Trump, contained many posts, photos, and videos from the January 6 attack, and after the social network got deplatformed by multiple tech companies (including Google Play, Apple's App Store, and AWS) this information would have been lost forever. However, before that happened, security researchers claimed to have downloaded and leaked around 70TB of data from Parler, which is being distributed online." Complete article here: https://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-networking/news/80tb-parler-posts-photos-videos-leaked-by-security-researchers-law-enforcement-can-use-to-identify-january-6-attackers-2350920

I tried singing up for Parler a day or so back, but didn't quite understand all the things I was asked to do. Never got that far as to being asked for that sort of verification. Good I guess. But I will say that I do not add DOB, DL, anything like that to a random inquiry or site. Even these Gun Contests like Classic Firearms as an example. they ask for DOB. That stops me right there. I won't pass that out. The same with SS numbers. Now it's not that I think I'm invisible or invincible on line; I know just enough to know that a reasonably intelligent guy with tech say can pretty much have my entire life in just minutes. And that truly is frightening for me and all the rest of us. Now a sidebar...listening to Fox today doesn't really make me feel good about the coming administration. Boils down to this I think...You were not with me. You are my enemy and will be destroyed. And Heaven help you if you are identified as being a speaker(or an attendee one source said on interview); you will be targeted. Social media, politicians, business, now banking industry getting involved. Unless you are RED, and wildly, loudly, goose-stepping in line...you are nothing.

The things kids do for likes, follows, etc. includes examples that are far more provocative, revealing and potentially dangerous than what is discussed in this article. It's also been going on for years. By the time most of the adult world, and media outlets discover a trend among young people, its usually old news ...

Turns out this "patriot" is a Nashville native. Breaks into the capital...with a gun no less...and zip tie handcuffs at the ready...keeps his outfit on before and after said criminal behavior and of course the hotel he stays in has video....oh boy can't wait to see the size of the book they throw at this genius....could it be the return of Kwik?? FBI arrests Nashville zip-tie suspect from assault on U.S. Capitol (wvlt.tv)

Have you been to Facebook? There are PLENTY of conservatives voicing their opinion on there.

I see it like a battering ram. Each new law introduced is a swing and each time the door gives a new law goes through. Its little, but it adds up. When the door breaks they get what they want.

This has been going on for ever, only way for a politician to get a vote, comes from all that want a vote, from local all the way to the potus.

I'm a child of the 50s. I grew up on comic books and "B" sci-fi / monster movies. Still love that stuff! These last few years I've been having a ball with the Marvel movies. The DC flicks aren't bad, but they take themselves way to seriously. I remember very well seeing the first Star Wars movies/trilogy in the theaters and what a thrill it was. This was way cool in those days. The first trilogy was great. The second was so-so and the third, meh. But at least it wrapped up the story. Rogue One wasn't bad. But as already mentioned, Solo just sucked. I don't have Disney, so as much as I'd like to see it, no Mandalorian for me. Honestly, while I do like Star Wars, I'm really a Star Trek guy.

1. I’m just anti Trump, not pro Biden. I’m sincere in my belief that Biden/Harris will have too much on their plates to start their administration off toying with gun owners. 2. I don’t believe gun control stops crime. I do believe that talking about gun control puts a lot of money in peoples pockets. When I said we, I meant any person in possession of a gun. You can’t be a mass shooter without a gun. I do believe that anti gun politicians have their constituents on their behinds as much as pro gun politicians catch hell for not being stronger in their stances. So the politicians will perpetually be whipping up their sides. Gun control is bad business for both parties, but business is booming when it comes to both sides scaring people. 3. I really don’t care who is feeding Biden oatmeal. Most of the politicians on both sides are being spoon fed cash by lobbyists, so for the puppet masters and politicians it will be business as usual. I’ll let you in on a secret, some people have other priorities and expectations from their politicians than 2A issues. If you are fortunate enough to be a single issue voter congratulations.

I am so fed up with what is going on in this country, I have just quit watching the NEW any more. Politics turns my stomach. always has. All it does is depress me so I just don't watch it anymore. I voted and lost. So be it. The sun will rise in the morning and life will go on. I am glad I am not dependent on Washington and Just am not interested any more. Turn off the tube and read and study your Bibles. Train yourself to live like God wants you too. That is what really counts guys. What happens in Washington is minimal in life.

Before any of this happened on TGO this week I was already on a quest to find sources of news. Just news. Not opinion pieces disguised as news, but just the basic facts of what happened or was happening. It's almost impossible to find. I'm watching these sites now and just trying to read across all of them in the hope that they challenge each other whenever biases are present and it'll be easy to spot that and filter down to the common points, which should be factual. https://www.bbc.com/news https://apnews.com/ https://www.reuters.com/ Here's the secret to happiness: Assume that all news might have some bias just because reporters are humans and as humans we all bias our comments somehow even when we try to report the facts. Also assume that just because you read something about a person, organization, cause or event that you care about, if it makes you mad it doesn't necessarily mean they are just wrong and biased. It might be factual, and that's hard to swallow sometimes. As for forums to discuss politics... I think you just spin the wheel and take your chances. If you want to talk to people who think exactly like you, on most things, it's going to be an echo chamber and there is no real value in that other than reassuring each other that you're right. And if you want a crowd that will challenge you to think objectively and openly, you run the risk of being pissed off a lot. I think it's kind of like bleach. We know that if you add bleach to dirty water it can make it safe to drink. Add too much or too little, though, and it can be fatal for different reasons.

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This actually solves all my problems right here. Ideally, I would like my plate carrier to hold either ar or ak mags so this is nice. Thanks for this!

Browning Buckmark or a Ruger Mark IV Target. Then if your old like me save a little more and buy a quality red dot.