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I couldn't pass this up for the price. I've never seen a "tacticool" over under but here it is. Mossberg HS-12
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We do not have a duty to retreat, (stand your ground), but we do have a duty NOT to do anything to escalate a confrontation. The question that the prosecutor and subsequent jury to answer is, did the OP escalate, or even initiate, the confrontation by flipping the bird at the horn-honker? I think that reasonable people would at most rebut receiving the finger with an FU of their own in return, and not see it as an escalation; therefore, they'd see trying to break into the vehicle as an unreasonable escalation in the horn-honker's response. Does anyone want to risk their freedom on that? When you illegally gain entry into a occupied vehicle you are "car-jacking" under the law which authorizes deadly force in this state. It is no different than you standing inside your house and flipping off someone through the window. It doesn't give that person cause to break into your house in return.5 points
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A cameo appearance being put in by a DLB ( @Grand Torino) trench knife.4 points
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The MP5 just keeps getting better.4 points
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Wife and I are a little sore and have some bruises but overall doing good. Driver of the Corvette was ok as well. Thanks.4 points
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Who give a rats rear end what china thinks about private gun ownership. The real enemy of private gun ownership is the dem/prog/soc/comm's who are in the chin's pocket & who many here support & voted for.4 points
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Personal opinion follows. Back in the turbulent 1960's, My Dad, a pretty smart man I later found out, raised Hell over the "Japanese buying up America!" Buying buildings, land, whole companies, just anything they could. He said back then that they would own this nation in 50 years. I guess he was a Nationalist before it was cool. Well, I don't know what the level of Japanese ownership is today, except for the failed Nakatomi Corporation. I'm sure it's still a pretty fair amount. But what Dad didn't see coming was the Chinese. Even though he fought the Chinese communists/ala Korean Communists in 1950-52, he thought the real threat came from Russia. I guess most people did back then. Even in his short lifetime, he was cut down by lung cancer; Dad always said that people needed to wake up and see what was happening. Dad thought that buying anything not USA made was a horrible sin, and an insult to all who had fought for this Nation. He said we were just giving away our country, a dollar at a time. Well, I think he was right back then, and are still doing it. One personal purchase of cheap, WW imported goods at a time. But it seems that the average people are just small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. We buy small and in most cases, think small. It's the politicians who are selling the country now, not a dollar at a time, but by the millions at a stroke of the pen or a back-room handshake. And it doesn't seem to be all that uncommon anymore. I'm sorry Dad isn't here now, but so glad he doesn't have to see what his people, his country, has become and where it seems to be headed.4 points
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We would all like to have a blueprint of what the law requires in any given situation to determine if we can legally use deadly force. We don’t have that. The closest we have is this… Deadly force is justified if a reasonable person believes deadly force is required to prevent death or great bodily harm.”. There are many variations on that wording. We have these discussions/arguments/bickering all the time here. And that’s a good thing. People need to understand all the ins and outs. Two of the most misunderstood terms I see in these discussions is usually “Castle Doctrine” and “Duty to Retreat”. The Castle Doctrine does not create a free fire zone; you can still be charged. And Tennessee doesn’t need to tell you that you don’t have a duty to retreat because as best I can tell; they never had had that as a requirement. Those laws are generally in states that at one time had a duty to retreat. “Reasonable Person” is a Judge or jury, if you go to trial. They will decide if what you did was “reasonable”. What you did will be judged by strangers that will make decisions that could alter your life and the lives of your family. The responding Officers, The investigators, The DA, and ultimately a Judge or Jury, that have hours or even months to decide what you had to decide in seconds will determine your fate. Every case is different. Times are changing. In the past when a criminal got killed committing a violent act; no one really cared. Nowadays if it’s a cop doing the killing; the left wants them charged even when they were clearly in danger. And we have seen that happen when it shouldn’t have. They will certainly apply that same standard to armed citizens killing criminals. “It’s better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6” is a stupid statement. It’s better to not be charged, period. If you are charged with murder you will get exactly the amount of justice you can afford. That would financially destroy most of us.3 points
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I think China has more invested into the US political class then anyone not in the "club" knows. So much in fact I think if you were to just tell someone it would be considered a "conspiracy theory".3 points
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Very glad you are all safe. But... How in the heck did that older model vette hit so high on the liftgate of your Acadia? You'd think he had jumped a ramp to hit there! Is your axle broke or just the tire torn off? Sorry, old habits die hard. Sold parts to repair shops for a long time, and saw a lot of strange hits. Always wondering how it happened. Still can't see something like this and not mentally start to write a parts order. lol2 points
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7F79F8C9-92A6-4B47-A46C-D68AA71AAFBD.MOV2 points
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You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not kicking this dead horse anymore.2 points
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There is an old saying, "A small price to pay for freedom"...somehow I don't think this is what it was originally referring to.2 points
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The danger lies in the UN small arms treaty that Trump pulled out of and said it would never happen on his watch....after Obama signed it in what....2013? Get ready for Obama 2.0 folks. Obama did an end around sweep to get his third term. High taxes, high fuel prices when fracking gets chopped which means higher prices on everything moved by truck which is everything we buy.2 points
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Woke up to realize that I did not buy pre sliced hog jowl yesterday. One of GT's fine knives came to the rescue!2 points
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This may be one of the best threads on TGO I've read in over six and a half years hanging out on this site. Very cool to be able to read the vignette and replies presented. @MarkSas others have said, thank you for being so open and self-reflecting on the incident. We're learning from the benefit of your experience and the conversation it sparked. It's a great benefit to all of us. I think you handled it as well as can be expected when presented with a threat. I also think you have a lesson learned on flipping people off, But these are two separate points in my mind since your actions don't lend any sort of justification to the person's actions in response. Giving the guy a warning may well have had a butterfly effect that kept him alive, and you out of legal hell. I hope for their sake it was a wake-up call about how to live with others...but I'll not get my hopes up. I'm also grateful to learn about these what you experienced with the vehicle lock...I'm still driving a Ford Ranger I bought in 2002, so that a door will unlock after putting the vehicle in park is (disturbing) news to me. Glad there is a way to fix that after purchase.2 points
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Wishing you all a Happy New Year and a solid "Good Riddance" to 2020. Here's to hoping that 2021 is infinitely better!
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36 states have a SYG law. Only 5 of those states are absolute SYG which means reasonableness cannot be used to counter the fact of SYG; TN is not one of those states. The physical battle is all important, but the legal battle where you are subject to decisions by others is just as important and very expensive as well.1 point
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MPX’s are pretty damn sexy.1 point
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Well no, I would want more than 2 shots but, shoot 00 buck and it would be cool for the shooter.1 point
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Nice! I’ve been wanting to trade for a MP5. I guess I‘ll continue playing pretend with my HK MP5-22. Enjoy!1 point
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I’m pretty sure he specified double barrel.1 point
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More along the lines of any port in a storm there tmauto!1 point
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Excel spreadsheet with date of purchase, price, added notes, extended description, and current value. Backups of all my documents both onsite and offsite. Before I got married, my wife said "You spent a lot of money on guns." So I showed her my spreadsheet with the bottom line of what I spent versus current value. And explained that it was one part of my diversified investment plan. Since then she has been just fine with my collection. Although she has asked to see my spreadsheet a few times over the years, just to see how our investments were doing.1 point
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People at work keep asking what caliber my stimulus came in... 10mm this time.1 point
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I use a similar system. I was looking for something in one of the safes. As I pulled out guns, I told my kid when I grabbed one that I was going to be as surprised as he would be when I saw what it was. LOL! There are some truly anal retentive folks on here.1 point
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that is why you must remain calm and rational. If someone is beating on your car, you phyically are not in danger of serious bodily harm or death. Only your property is being damaged, that is what insurance is for. Same as if someone is beating on your house or shouting out in your front yard. I know it is ridiculous, but it is the criminal justice system. It is not hard for a prosecutor to convince a jury your actions were not reasonable because you are safely tucked inside your vehicle from physical harm. However, if your 'safety' is breached, windown broken out and they are trying to reach in and drag you or others out, or prying the door open, jerk it open, attempt to turn your car over, then that is considered at risk of serious bodily injury or death. I am not an attorney, but do study, review this info almost daily and this is the general consensus of those that are connected with legal aspects of self defense law. This is a great thread to study, evaluate, and prepare for similar situations so that you will have idea of how to react, and hopefully stay out of jail.1 point
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My disabled friend called today. The money was in her bank account this morning. I'm happy for her. She's one of the people that actually needs the money. Nothing for me yet. I got the first one through the mail. So I expect it to be a while yet.1 point
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Hell Yeah! I'm ready! In fact, I'd welcome it. Bout damned time there was some intelligent life on this rock.1 point
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Hi, and welcome to TGO! Unless you manufactured the ammunition yourself for sale, there should be no issues with selling factory ammunition to a private party in TN. Ed1 point
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I have also struggled with responding to drivers idiocy with that finger. I try hard not to, and will try harder in future, me thinks.1 point
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When the guns in restaurants issue was still in question a few years back I had a discussion with people against it. They talked about people getting mad and disagreements escalating etc. Having a gun I think makes things more apt to be let go. At least for me. I realize that getting too heated can lead to things that I don't want to happen. My wife tends to let her finger and horn get a lot of use. I don't care for it at all. She forgets how crazy some people are.1 point
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I believe you're wrong (though I am no scholar of constitutional law.) The Supreme Court has ruled that "fighting words" are NOT protected by the 1st Amendment: "Fighting words are, as first defined by the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) in Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), words which "by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality." Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment. Further, as seen below, the scope of the fighting words doctrine has between its creation in Chaplinsky and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it today. and Texas v. Johnson (1989) In Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), the Supreme Court redefined the scope of the fighting words doctrine to mean words that are "a direct personal insult or an invitation to exchange fisticuffs." In the case, the Court held that the burning of a United States flag, which was considered symbolic speech, did not constitute fighting words.` HOWEVER: Whether or not flipping someone off constitutes "fighting words", it's coarse and unseemly and will NEVER result in conflict resolution. Civil society requires a degree of civility, doncha think? Using such a gesture is definitely a step in the wrong direction in most any situation.1 point
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You didn't have to fire your weapon, no matter how you cut it, that's a big win. You would only make a bad day worse. One must check their ego when armed...period. No flipping people off. You really do have to take more crap. When the guy got out of the car you should have simply driven off to avoid anymore conflict. When he opened your door you would have been justified in shooting, but your restraint was his and your good luck. You would not be justified in shooting just because he was banging on the window or car.....again drive off. Immediate police notification is smart anytime you pull your weapon.1 point
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Those of us who choose to carry need to be mindful of situations like MarkS's. Perhaps we need to be just a little more tolerant of the actions of others when we're armed. I'd hate to shoot anyone for something that began as trivially as a dispute over right of way. Almost all of us have made some bonehead error of judgement while driving. The older I get, the more tolerant I am when someone else does something stupid, knowing I've probably done something worse. You can bet that had MarkS pulled the trigger he would have been sued, and whether or not he'd won, the legal fees would have been significant. And the political implications for all gun-owners are considerable, too. Like Omega, I hope that passenger had a epiphany when he saw a firearm pointed at him, and perhaps next time he'll refrain from jumping out of a car to confront someone. MarkS might think hard next time about flipping off someone. The lesson I take from this situation is that small, thoughtless actions can lead to the most severe consequences. My dad used to tell me not to sweat the small stuff, and I guess that was pretty good advice.1 point
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Somewhere I bet there is another driver rethinking his actions, and hope he also has seen the light of not escalating a non event into a life changing one. I recently drove back from Denver, and am heading back there tomorrow, and have encountered some very rude drivers. One passed into my lane, on purpose, within inches of my vehicle even though traffic was light. I almost honked at him but decided not to as I did not want to escalate the situation even though I was well armed. You never know what the other guy has going through his head, they may be looking for any excuse to be confrontational, it's best not to indulge them with any actions unless there is no other choice.1 point
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This was not a scenario of being cool-headed. A guy blew his horn and you escalated the situation. Nothing cool-headed about that. This guy of course bears the responsibility of escalating things way out of proportion, and your warning to him may have created enough of a break in the cycle of escalation that you didn't have to shoot him. You deserve credit for that. But what if you'd broken the cycle of escalation earlier by not flipping the guy off? The fact that you're analyzing the situation now for lessons to be learned is also a plus. As always -- observe, learn, and move on. Cheers, Whisper1 point
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Newly acquired M&P. Accuracy is on par with my other 2.0s, that is to say, excellent.
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This. I also learned the expensive way that the included MOS plates and screws suck. I assumed that all those idiots having trouble with their MOS plates didn't use the right torque specs or skipped the thread locker, until I broke a screw on a 17. Now I have two C&H plates. The C&H is a much tighter fit. I now use this guy's method starting at around 11:00. And good luck finding green Loctite lol1 point
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Sadly, no. I’ve had some decent play money, but not $50k of play money. It does have a binary trigger installed. The poor man’s facsimile.1 point
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Thanks for this video Tim. My wife and I are currently renting a place near downtown and I've had several dog encounters while walking our dogs. I always carry a gun and a knife. I feel like the chances of me breaking up a dog fight without accidentally shooting my own dogs are really low so I've determined I might have to use a blade if it came to it. This might be difficult if I'm the one being attacked but I guess that's where the gun comes into play.1 point
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