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One of my favorite firearms, and the one most often shot, is a Model 18 Smith and Wesson 22LR revolver. Most people, for whatever reason, will buy cheap 22. Don't. Get one you'll enjoy shooting. They are good, inexpensive practice. They are also good for introducing new shooters to the sport. Cheap ammo, low noise, and low recoil while maintaining the accuracy of their centerfire brethren make a quality 22 handgun well worth owning.

With how much China owns in the US one might say they are tending to their business. Not a happy thought by any means.

1934: My Dad was born, today he's 87, when I call I always ask him how he's doing, he reply's I'm still breathing and I reply keep doing what your doing, I'm your biggest fan and cheerleader, your giving me good data, keep it up!!!

Sounds like both or you learned a valuable lesson

I believe China is not only a problem to us but also to the world! China needs to mind Chinas business.

Wishing you all a Happy New Year and a solid "Good Riddance" to 2020. Here's to hoping that 2021 is infinitely better!

Hell Yeah! I'm ready! In fact, I'd welcome it. Bout damned time there was some intelligent life on this rock.

I was going to say something not so nice, but my better senses have kicked in. I would like to say that I am at least glad some of you have got it, but I’m not. For those of us paying for all of this and getting Zero, my condolences.

Get yourself a dash cam with panorama all around the inside of the car. Not that I'm giving legal advice but if you need to involve the police be the first to call, and always say up front YOU were attacked. Don't mention guns. Someone ripping your door open or banging on your car is an attack. They showed they meant to do you harm. Edit: a good peice of advice i was given (or atleast i think its good) if you can drive. Drive. If they get out of their car drive off. Through them around them whatever. Drive off. If they're trying to enter your vehicle report it as an attack. My girlfriend and I have a rehersed plan where if anything were to happen she records with my phone and calls 911 with hers. She says its an attack and where we are and keeps them up to date as long as im dealing with whatever the "it" is. The other thing I think is important is to always act as though you're being filmed. If a jury watched this happen as movie who's side would they be on?

And night vision.

This may be one of the best threads on TGO I've read in over six and a half years hanging out on this site. Very cool to be able to read the vignette and replies presented. @MarkSas others have said, thank you for being so open and self-reflecting on the incident. We're learning from the benefit of your experience and the conversation it sparked. It's a great benefit to all of us. I think you handled it as well as can be expected when presented with a threat. I also think you have a lesson learned on flipping people off, But these are two separate points in my mind since your actions don't lend any sort of justification to the person's actions in response. Giving the guy a warning may well have had a butterfly effect that kept him alive, and you out of legal hell. I hope for their sake it was a wake-up call about how to live with others...but I'll not get my hopes up. I'm also grateful to learn about these what you experienced with the vehicle lock...I'm still driving a Ford Ranger I bought in 2002, so that a door will unlock after putting the vehicle in park is (disturbing) news to me. Glad there is a way to fix that after purchase.

Thank you all for the discussion, as I have learned from the group. I hope this never happens to any member, and can now from experience say, "Turn the other cheek", as legally I might of been justified, the reality would have set in that my one finger salute set in motion the events that took a life. Even though the other party played a part, and had no business trying to come into the car, I am responsible personally, even if not legally, for my actions, and testament. I hope this experience, can be used as a lesson, and maybe save a member from being put in a similar situation, or having to live with a decision.

Just a thought here. Had you not flipped the guy off, would the rest of the scenario have played out as it did? I'm generally a pretty calm man, but having someone say "FU" to my face, through words or gestures, really, REALLY ticks me off. Frustrations can be high in heavy traffic, and sometimes a simple thing like waving the guy on by, right of way or not, can diffuse a situation such as you describe. FAR better, in my opinion, to avoid the confrontation in the first place. A honked horn is one thing, a bullet in the chest another. Mind you, I am NOT excusing the passenger's actions. If someone tries to get into my car my reaction will be similar to yours, but what I am saying is that your gesture contributed.

Hi, and welcome to TGO! Unless you manufactured the ammunition yourself for sale, there should be no issues with selling factory ammunition to a private party in TN. Ed

Welcome to the group and to answer your question, No

Carpet baggers, burglars, six of one...

I think China has more invested into the US political class then anyone not in the "club" knows. So much in fact I think if you were to just tell someone it would be considered a "conspiracy theory".

finally got on one this year. was able to shoot a decent bodied 3 point on public land. my first deer in TN and only my 3rd deer ever so i am happy. just a few more days left!

For us, either apply it to the rape of the people property tax increase by our beloved Mayor John Cooper...or...add to our stock of food supplies.

I'm just cracking up over slapping someone in the face with a handgun. If it was a 1911 the guy would probably be dead now.

Well this pretty much sums up my feelings about this... After 2020, all I can say is Hang On! But I certainly wish everyone and Blessed and truly Happy New Year!

I thank you for this excellent post. You have made a lot of us here think about and discuss a potentially life altering event that could happen at anytime to anyone of us.

I’ve read and have made the statement myself on this forum more than a few times that the last thing I’d ever want to do is to have to shoot someone. I really feel it would change many things about our/my immediate life and also thereafter. I do carry though, deep concealment always and at other times I carry in other various ways. I carry not to show the world that I have a gun, or to make me a badass in my own mind, but purely to be prepared to defend the life of my wife, myself and any loved ones I am with should a major threat arise to our lives. I think for the statement I started with to be true, It’s my duty to overlook the hotheads, the stupid drivers that cut me off or blow their horn at some short sighted event they perceive I caused in their life. If they take it upon themselves to “teach me a lesson” physically, well then it’s game on.

Happy New Year! I have a feeling that 2020 was just practice for 2021!

I watched a news special the other night about the Broken Juvenile Legal system and it is not broken. It is almost non-existent. Some Officers have arrested a Juvenile for possession of a stolen fire arm at 7PM and arrested him 4 hours later and he had another gun when they arrested him the second time. He was released at 7:30 to his mother and she said he never went in the house but took off soon as she stopped her car at home. The police said that the system is just a swinging door. The singer that was killed during a car hijacking was shot by a 13 year old that had 5 prior arrests with 3 of them for stolen gun violations during the commission of a felony armed robbery. He was arrested with 3 friends for the murder and he is the only one still locked up and his mother said she hopes they try him as an adult and he gets a long prison sentence. During the report it was said that the zip code for north Nashville and Madison area has more juvenile arrests than any other place in America. Now with that said, if an officer shoots and kills one during the commission of a crime they want to hang the officer for doing his job!!! They asked one officer if he had any idea how to fix the problem and he said yes, just 1. Pass a law the permitted people the right to use deadly legal force to protect their property without fear of prosecution and it would take a short time and you would begin to see the numbers go down pretty quick. He said until you put some fear in these young people that they can be killed by the property owner they will continue to do as they please because they don't fear being arrested.

I belong to the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Net. 360-978-5200. They have a good program (IMO the best benefit for the money)for those who join and the cost is much more likeable. Call and talk to them. It is not insurance but they do the same as others insurance companies. I pay 85.00 per year and I think the first year is a little higher. I been a member for years, and consider it just like homeowners insurance. My advice on your incident, forget the one finger salute next time. You did well except for that one item. glad it turned out for the best. A lot of hotheads out there who are wearing a chip on their shoulders this-day-in-time. "Best to turn the other cheek", if possible, then go on your way. Edited to ADD; Call ACLDN 360-978-5200 and ask them for a copy of a short booklet, "What Every Gun Owner Needs to Know About Self-Defense Law." They will send it to you at NO charge to you, and with NO obligation. The book is one of the best I have seen to be a short education on self defense law. ITS FREE GUYS. 20 pages of great info. MarkS, you can weigh your incident with true knowledge on the S D Law. You can see why your salute could be detrimental to your case. Get the book guys. FREE

According to him it will be a busy day. Personally I think after all the inauguration festivities; he’ll go back and nap the rest of the day and not do anything. But as you say, we shall see.

I came to the same conclusion after contemplating, as a knee jerk reaction caused a unnecessary situation. Definitely have to own my own faults, as a traffic dispute is not worth a life, but listed that detail for full disclosure and discussion.

Oh not at all. I expect everything is an angle. I just thought this was pretty wild. I could only speculate as to the nature of what the angle behind this may be. I could even see the fed. Convincing the public aliens are real and then using the panic to their advantage.

It’s funny watching all of the “fiscal conservatives” bragging about their welfare.

LOL! Thanks for the compliment, no offense taken! Likewise, I too am trying to illustrate the potential unintended consequences. Glad we can have a civil discussion where we can agree to disagree!

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They had some at Academy today for $15/box 50, but it didn't last long. 3 box limit. I missed out by about 2 minutes.

Happy New Year. 2021 here we come.

Well I said I would take one the moment it was available. Here it is.

Something like a S&W M&P AR .22 rifle. Not only are they fun in their own right, but they're a useful trainer for the AR platform.

I wholly agree that the finger did escalate matters, and lessons can be learned here with regards to it. That said, I can’t see how it escalated matters to the point where the other party blocking MarkS and attempting to enter his vehicle and assault him would be in any way foreseeable when dealing with a rational individual. I wouldn’t see how a jury would really hold it against him.

When the guns in restaurants issue was still in question a few years back I had a discussion with people against it. They talked about people getting mad and disagreements escalating etc. Having a gun I think makes things more apt to be let go. At least for me. I realize that getting too heated can lead to things that I don't want to happen. My wife tends to let her finger and horn get a lot of use. I don't care for it at all. She forgets how crazy some people are.

Forcible entry into the vehicle to assault the occupant is generally going to be viewed as something you can use lethal force to repel. We can argue that since dude was not visibly armed that pulling a gun on him was not warranted but we can also make an argument that a reasonable person would be in fear of grave bodily injury or death from someone who took those same actions and assaulted him in his vehicle. The totality of the circumstances plays in favor of MarkS. But again, the assault might not happen if there was no bird flipping.

Once the other person opened the door, then the threat was real, in my book. He had intent to do bodily harm. You had the right to draw and do what you did. However, I do think flying a bird was the wrong thing to do. That being said, I have to admit that I have done the samething a time or two in the past. Now I tend to wave at people, with the whole hand. Which, when you think about it, isn't very smart either. Better to not show any reaction at all.

LOL I can't smell s%=t.

Sweet find on PPK James! Ran across this Interarms 32 PPKs years ago at a Nashville area gun show. It’s one of my two main carry guns. Carry in a JM4 tactical holster. I know....it’s a small caliber. But the best gun you have is the one you have with you. LoL

I open my den door & go: "Yep...... that's a f#@&k load of guns!"

Did you ask them if they had an Aston Martin they could put on lay-away for you? Nice piece

Moped: First off, thank you for the kind comments. The Walther PP series are some great pistols. I went back and edited the pic to show what each one is. Its just been kinda dumb luck that I've stumbled across these over the years. and picked them up. The one on the bottom left is the current production .22 cal PPK/s made by Umerex for Walther. If you want a PPK/s in this caliber then this is the way to go. Original Walther made .22s are serious collector's items worth big bucks. Just a spare mag falls into unicorn territory at several hundred dollars. .32s can be had a reasonable prices. The problem is that most of them are WW II or earlier and these are the ones bringing thousands of dollars from collectors. If you can find one of the later made guns, especially Interarms, they can be had considerably cheaper. In many cases the guns are inherited or maybe traded for and the current owner doesn't realize what they have. All they know is that is just a measly, little .32 and ain't worth much. That's exactly the story behind my .32 PP. It was a former Police gun imported back in the 80s by Century. Young man inherited the gun and just wanted to get rid of it. I got that one cheap. BTW: twice I've had this one at the range and somebody tried to buy it right there on the spot. The only reason I own the S&W PPK/s is because it is in the scarce .32 caliber which is rarely seen. The last owner just knew it was a .32 and not that popular. But he did recognize the Walther name. I got that one at a fair price, but no great bargain. C'mon Now! Still waiting to see pics of your new toy!