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At least on this board, I have a say in what constitutes acceptable dialog. You can believe whatever you want about that day - but take saying it out loud somewhere else. There are those of us who go to sleep every single day with the vision of coworkers jumping out of windows and those towers falling. We can still smell it, and if we try real hard, we can taste it. Seems that sickeningly sweet, metallic taste never really goes away. There are those of us who've been all over the world hunting the people who supported it and carried it out - only to be frustrated in those efforts for a whole host of reasons - political and otherwise. You can certainly be outraged by that. You can be outraged by the fact that we've got people who enlisted after September 11 who've spent their entire careers at war - and are now retiring - many with PTSD that we're still so inadequate in treating. We've lost so much and so many. For those of you who've lost someone you care about or that you served with - I'm so sorry. Know that you're in my prayers daily. For those of you who struggle with post traumatic stress - know that you're in my prayers too. And, I'm always here if you need someone to talk. This community is better with you in it. Yes, we all have fewer liberties than we enjoyed then. We should push back against that. Especially since many of them haven't made the world more safe. I've flown hundreds of time since, and I'm certain I've not been more safe on an airliner than I was when I flew into New York on the afternoon of September 10. But I simply will not allow anyone to disparage the memory of the 2,977 people who died that day. There are plenty of places you can go talk that if you want - this isn't one of them.

Honestly, I've probably allowed a few voices to fester that I shouldn't have. It's stumbled out of the General Politics forum into the larger forum and kind of made it into a place I don't want to hang out. I expect I'm not the only one for which that is true. While we've long been a site that encourages honest debate - there are a handful of folks here that simply do not deserve the assumption of sincerity. I'm going to correct that going forward. I say this in all sincerity Dave, but what else are you looking for? This whole thing has been done in public. All of it. Literally every piece of data you could ask for is available as we struggle with this as a society. It may be too much? Maybe we don't know where to look or what to trust? Maybe that data doesn't align with the worldview we want to hold? I get all that. But there's more good data out there than has been available in the history of man. Conspiracy theories attempt to assign simple explanations to hard problems. This is a hard problem - so if someone is giving you an an easy answer - it's probably wrong. Couple in the fact that as more and more scientists adopt consensus - the conspiracists have to go further and further to the extreme positions. Sometimes I think we need to back up and just read some of these things out loud. That should likely settle it for any honest person. Now, I'll agree that the average American is terrible at assessing risk. We've de-risked everything in our day to day lives to the extent that when faced with an unknown risk - most simply don't know how to approach it. You can never completely mitigate any risk - but neither should we simply assume all risk needs to be accepted. The problem with the "both sides" approach is that one of those sides is literally killing folks right now. Add to that the above factor that the average American sucks at assessing risk, and that's the reason we're less than welcoming to some of this nonsense.

Serious doctors are quite in agreement. They're tired of getting their asses kicked night after night in emergency departments. They're tired of having patients leave AMA because they don't have a place to put them and will have to transfer them far from their home and loved ones. They're tired of losing patients who otherwise shouldn't be dying. They're tired of losing patients with other conditions that aren't getting appropriate treatment because they "don't know what to believe." They're just exhausted. Doctors who play doctors for the TV news - sure they don't agree. That's what they're there for. This is a novel disease - and we're all scrambling in public to figure out how to treat it. We don't know more than we do know - but we're closing that gap. People are staying alive today that would have died in March. Stuff like proning patients, convalescent plasma, Remdesivir, etc - when it's suggested - there are paths to try them with scaffolding in place so that we can see if they actually work. We run trials. There's a reason for that structure - even when we want to hope that something works. Even when early results seem promising - we need data. Take something like hydroxycloriquine. You might say, "what's the harm." But, when we do actual trials, we can see that, "oh, there is significant risk of harm in some patients." so, it's not worth the risk in those cases. Or, in the case of convalescent plasma, we see that it might have beneficial effects in some groups - but not others - so that's helpful knowledge since we have limited supplies. All of this is being done in public. I get it that we all want this to be done with - but looking back - we'll be awed at how fast we inculcated battlefield knowledge into actual practice. Frankly, I hope that we take some of these learnings and in the future, streamline some of the overly burdensome regulatory stuff that limits us today. All that said, when a doctor or group comes forward and says, here's something promising - and we're moving it into trials where the results will be publicly available for peer review - that's great. When you have a doctor who says, "here's a miracle cure" - and especially when you have members of the political class amplify it - then you just need to look to see who's bought stock and who benefits from the position.

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You will also want a good inch pounds torque wrench if you don’t have one. I’ve got plenty of use out of my Wheeler FAT wrench. They have a new digital model I’m going to have to get. https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-710909-Digital-Firearms-Accurizing/dp/B01B3NW5TG/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Wheeler+FAT&qid=1608158772&sr=8-5

I love the Holosun on my War Poet. Side loading battery tray makes it even better.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/08/13/make-a-factory-quality-9mm-rifled-barrel-in-your-kitchen-using-salt-water-and-electricity-ecm/ I found this interesting in just how they're cutting the barrel, but the larger project its a part of is a perfect example of what 3D printing can ddo.Printed receiver, mags, and a DIY metal barrel. You can make your own little machine gun today, totally unregistered.

This thread is really starting to wear my patience.

Well, I didn't go for that reason, but thank you for the thought. I don't think I was any closer to Michael than anyone else here, and likely less so. But the times we did meet, talk, or deal; I always felt liked and welcomed into his life...even when he got the better of me. I went for several reasons. My wife said I needed the closure after listening to me speak often of Michael and his illness. Maybe that's true. I guess it was. But I just wanted to pay respect to the life of a man I admired and called friend. After watching the video tributes to Michael, listening to some his musical works and hearing words of love and praise to Michael and his entire family; I guess I did come away with closure of a sort. We all said a temporary goodbye to a husband, a father, a grandfather, and a friend to many. It wasn't sad, it was uplifting. It was love and praise for the earthly life of a man whose life and works touched and enriched the lives of many others. So...represent TGO and this family? Not intentionally. Just wanted to honor Michael Douchette. If I did so, in the grand scheme of things, I was glad to do so, and hope it was done well.

I use Excel also. Make, model, S/N caliber, accessories, and my best guess at value. I have a good catalogue in my head, but the spreadsheet is for my wife if she ever finds herself dealing with that stuff without me.

Nice. Just ordered it.

If you have a MOS system, you really should follow David’s advice on the chpws kit. I always find out this stuff the hard way.

Small businesses are having to make some hard choices on inventory/cash on hand right now. I expect they sell all the 9mm slides they can make. That said, they can probably get other variants, and it's probably worth an inquiry via whatever customer service tool they use to check.

I think I've mentioned it elsewhere, but if you haven't listened to WNYC's Blindspot - you should. It's probably the best, most accurate reporting of the road to September 11th I've heard.

a conspiracy is not always a crazy tin-foil-hat concept that should always be seen negatively. Thats the "pop" definition of a conspiracy (see UFOs and big foot) something being a conspiracy and being debatable is not mutually exclusive. Something can be a conspiracy or a suspected conspiracy and be open to debate. I see a lot of people using the term "conspiracy" to derail and argument, if you present facts to support a supposition or an observation or whatever you like then simply calling those facts part of a conspiracy does not make them any less relevant to the argument. I would go as far to say that in the modern context the term conspiracy is used as censorship language far more often than used correctly. Its important to entertain a wide range of possibilities when you're discussing something that no one here has any insight into beyond what we are told or what we are shown. From the most ridiculous to the most mundane I beleive.

Can’t stop the signal.

You know, you have inadvertently made a connection between 9/11, the Global War On Terror and COVID that I am willing to discuss. Your call to the 9/11 Commission and their observation that the terror attacks on the US that day were retaliation for our involvement in the Middle East hints at the notion that we shouldn't have been over there in the first place. The problem with that line of thinking is that it evokes the concept of appeasement and the flawed logic that assumes that we would be left alone if we left others alone... that doing nothing would be preferable to what we've done. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, regardless of whether you are discussing Islamic terrorism or the COVID-19 virus. Doing nothing, in either case, is actually a decision for inaction and hoping that the threat goes away - which is still an action of doing something. It's a completely useless something but it's a decision, a direction, and an [in]action nonetheless. Our response to the threat of jihad waged against Western civilization may not have been perfect, but it was a response that worked very well when the public and our elected government still had the courage and resolve to wage a fight. It's hard for the bully to throw punches when he's busy defending himself. For a long while we kept the bully busy. When we stopped doing that because we lost the resolve, he started hitting back. Thankfully, after 9/11 we got our resolve back again. For a while. Our current response to COVID is to fight it through the application of some basic preventative measures and of some pretty advanced medical science. We aren't just putting our heads in the sand and hoping that the virus goes away. You seem to like quoting quotable people and written works, so this will be right up your alley: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)" Don't be the guy that advocates for doing nothing and hoping the bad thing goes away. It doesn't. Ever. Not without a fight.

Careful. You've got a person in this thread who was there on 9/11 and spent weeks afterward digging through the rubble as part of recovery efforts. You don't want to go down that road here.

Don’t people need to be aware of and investigate Covid conspiracy theories to make their own determinations on risk? Since the election is over; and friends and family members are getting sick or even dying, and state governments are having shutdowns that are destroying peoples businesses and lives; isn’t this the #1 health concern in our lives right now? I’ve never been big on conspiracies theories, but I see some that I think may be real. I just don’t know; but I would like to hear both sides of the equation and make an informed decision? What’s wrong with that?

See this thread.

" Back in the day" a few years ago, unclean, clips still on and unsmelted and zinc culled out WW was $0.50 to $0,75 a pound. Clean (see above) was $1.00 a pound. I have not bought lead in a few years and do not "need" to, so I do not know what the price of the stuff now. Lead is getting hard to find and cost a bit more. Please, what ever you do stay away from car batters, the chemicals that come off when smelted WILL KILL YOU.

Eh... I'll make a concession here. The MOS system works fine if you use the correct length screws. It works even better if you get an improved mounting plate from C&H Precision Weapon Systems. https://chpws.com/

I'll buy the crap out of a 10mm single stack Glock.

FIRST... See this news story: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/gmail-pretty-broken-now-one-224052039.html GMAIL is having massive problems that is causing email to bounce for millions of people right now. I have disabled the feature that I believe is causing accounts to be thrown into an "invalid" state here on TGO as a result of it. I am working through the process of re-validating accounts for people right now. Please give me a little time to get accounts fixed. The Invision Power forum software company is aware of this but there is little they can do to fix it since it's a problem with Google / GMail.

I’m fairly certain everyone who met him likely left feeling that way. He cared about people in a way that simply cannot be faked.

Feeling better this evening

This site also has a lot of good info. https://thewellarmedwoman.com/

It took me a bit to make the change - and I don’t use it for everything. But I’ve found the things it does well, It does really well. My gotos are: 1. Things 3 - I moved recently from OmniFocus - it’s my primary planning and task management system 2. Notion - used for all kinds of stuff like notes and documentation. There are a lot of great templates for all kinds of stuff 3. Pocket - a universal extension that allows me to save anything I’m reading for later. Notion can do this too, and I may move it in the future - but I use Pocket for more of a curated reading list to come back to later. If I want to save an article after that, I’ll file it elsewhere.

Anything for sale in a capitalistic society is only worth what some one is willing to pay.

Thanks for the link.

Or maybe they just don’t have enough demand to warrant even bothering with dying calibers.

I get you, what I'm trying to say is this: (I can see that you have some emotional turmoil tied into the topic of 9/11 in this thread so I first want to assure you that this is not me advocating for any theories of conspiracy tied to 9/11 or otherwise. I know you have some emotional trauma and I'm not trying to antagonize you.) I'm only establishing that a conspiracy is not defacto false and uncredable. That is the main stream conception but it is wrong I can verify this simply, again, with no attachment to any specific conspiracy or facets. JUST TO SAY THAT A CONSPIRACY == FALSE all the time you would need to prove conspiracies never happen. the definition of a conspiracy is this: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. If you believe all conspiracies are false you are immediately and demonstrably wrong. but this is my main point: calling something a conspiracy does not derail it and make the accused immune to all facts and evidence therein ascribed to point to that conspiracy. If I present to you a happening with factual evidence someone is intellectually dishonest, or lazy to immediately dismiss all of the verifiable facts to the subject on the grounds that the facts point to a conspiracy. I would further state that In "pop-culture" conspiracies are used to ridicule or silence individuals with (possibly) factual claims from having the claims heard. further, you would note me not saying anything about "making up alternative facts" the term "alternative facts" is an oxymoron. there are only the facts, and they point to the truth, and some people may not like that truth but it is what it is.

FWIW, I have a Walther PPS M2 RSMc, mounted at the Walther factory. Advertised to have a battery life of 2 to 3 yrs. The LED went out, had to be returned for repair/ replacement, during Covid. These are made in the UK. After a few months it was replaced. Battery life on neither lasts more than one month. The unit has to be removed to replace the battery, ( which I can pretty much do with my eyes shut, due to experience). When this unit finally goes belly up again, I'm going to replace it with the Holosun 407K, which is cheaper, and better. Just food for thought.

I use an Excel spreadsheet. I probably don't update it as often as I should but I do a thorough updating a couple of times a year. With dropbox I can access it from anywhere with my phone. That works best for me.

Maybe we should start cataloging the boat accident locations... lol

This suddenly cleared up for me last night at some point, and I no longer have to re-enter my email constantly. Assuming it was the revalidation of emails by TGO David - if so, thank you!

My theory is that Glock only makes one model, they just change the numbers every few months ...

To be clear, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth, just building off of what you said with my own thoughts. I apologize if it came off as such. I’m of the view that multitaskers belong in the kitchen, not the holster. I’m all about keeping the possible failure points as low as possible. Plate systems don’t meet that criteria for me. So while the MOS may be fine, a dedicated milled slide is the better choice.

This week, I should be getting back a CZ P-07 slide that I'd sent to Jaegerwerks a couple weeks ago, to be milled for the RMR/Holosun cut. If you have Glocks, you have more options and I think buying an aftermarket slide with the cut already done is the way to go. It allows you to try out a RDS without modifying your factory slide or making unrecoverable investments. Just be sure that the slide you buy is compatible with your frame; for instance, most of the slides I've seen have been for Gen 3 Glocks.

What took so long?

Sell it for scrap. The hat market was looking red this year.

Regardless which way you go use good screws like C&H Precision or Battle Werks . I paid the stupid tax using MOS screws and vibra tite.

Count me in that too, way too much fear and misinformation being doled out by the media and "experts" all the while they don't practice what they preach. I'll go on record as saying this is a hoax, not so much the virus, that is real and we are losing some good people over it. But the reaction to it, I do not know the real reason for this, but "Flattening the curve" is not it. When the numbers of total US dead comes out, unless manipulated like the election, it will show no significant increase in 2020 numbers vs 2019 or 2018. Preliminary numbers already show this, only like a 1.5 percent increase, which has happened before, due to population increase and other, non China Flu related reasons.

Chris Vittetoe can mill your slide in Knoxville. Don't overlooke the value in a Holosun.

sounds like power share may need to be turned on. Will it charge or power non USBc devices? Also there is a usb powered hub you can get that should work as well. Will it charge your non usbc phone? something like this. I wonder if power share has been turned on in the Bios. WHat make is the laptop?

Anyone here go to the Memorial Service this morning? I did. Just wanted to go because it felt right to me. I got to meet Miss Lisa, and said a few of the usual things to her, almost crying as I told her how much he was loved and admired here. Also met Michael "My Marine" Douchette and a couple of the other kids. Sure I was just one among many offering kind words of support and rememberances. A beautiful sendoff for Michael. Full of music and joy.

I'm not an attorney but I've been an NFA collector since 1994. An SBR by definition has barrel shorter than 16". If your receiver no longer has a shorter than 16" barrel on it then by definition it is not an SBR and is treated as a rifle not as a "short barrel rifle" as long as the longer barrel is on it. So if you wanted to take your "SBR registered" AR lower with a sub 16" barrel out of state you have to file an ATF Form 5320.20 . But if you take off the sub 16" barrel upper and install a 16" barrel upper it no longer is by definition an SBR and no Form 5320.20 is necessary. It is still listed in the registry as an SBR but the actual configuration is NOT an SBR so SBR rules do not apply as long as it does not have a barrel shorter than 16" on it. It is not the same as a machinegun where if it was "once a machine gun always a machine gun". So while you cannot do anything to a machine gun to change its status (other than destroy it) you can install a barrel longer than 16" on your SBR lower and it no longer meets the definition so travel without filing a form is OK. At least that is how I understand it.

Got a new toy today. Sometimes it's really good to know people who know people. Thanks again @willis68!

Conspiracy Theories, Coronavirus, TGO and YOU For as long as I can remember, TGO has never really provided "safe waters" for people who want to preach conspiracy theories and rile-up the masses. There are plenty of places for that sort of thing on the Internet and yes sometimes the conspiracy enthusiasts (or nuts, if you so prefer) are proven right in the end. But since there are so many other places for it and since we feel that the ravings of fringe believers tends to bring down the property value, we prefer that our members engage in discussions based in reality. Lately the moderators have begun removing posts fanning the flames of conspiracy around the COVID-19 novel coronavirus pandemic. Generally speaking, I am supportive of their actions. Here's why: Priorities First and foremost, we have a present problem to deal with so let's start by putting our focus there. We have members who are and have been personally affected by COVID-19 and chances are this is just the beginning. If we are going to invest our mental and emotional energies into something, let's invest them in encouraging, supporting and helping our own community. Respect Again, we know that we already have members of TGO affected by this pandemic. So far they (and we) have been fortunate and it's turned out well. That could change. We don't want that to happen, but the statistical projections indicate that by the time the dust settles none of us will have many degrees of separation from someone that died as a result of the virus. I just think maybe it's a little disrespectful to the people currently fighting this virus and eventually to those who lose the battle for us to sit around and imagineer boogeymen behind a virus that science currently says evolved naturally. Stay In Your Lane, Bro Following right in behind the matter of respect is the simple fact that unless you're an educated, degreed, certified ass-kicking virologist, geneticist, research scientist, or have data from a respected source that is... you should probably stay in your lane. Remember the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 2020? That happened because social media said there was a shortage of toilet paper. So the people believed it, reacted like scared sheep, and ran right over the edge of the cliff with arms full of Charmin. There's no reason for us to allow the next big social media fear-fest to start with or take root on TGO. We can control what happens here, so our intent is to manage it so that there's at least one place you can visit online that doesn't feel like the lunatics are running the asylum. You're welcome for that. Even if you don't appreciate it right now. And So What If That Conspiracy Theory Is Accurate? The President, love him or hate him, has already said that there are going to be consequences on the other side of this current situation for the way that China mishandled this. Even if they didn't bio-engineer it, their government hid the outbreak from the world until it was busting out of their borders. So far the Prez has done everything he's said he would do... right or wrong... so we can be pretty confident that the US isn't going to just let this slide. So, even if the latest conspiracy theory is accurate... you and I can't do a thing about it. Establishing and maintaining a military to preserve our sovereignty, the strength of our borders, and the security of our interests is the one thing that the government should be doing. It's maybe the only reason the government should exist if you ask some. But they are equipped to do something about it. Not us. Not even Chuck Norris. Let's let the government handle the boogeyman. And if they need our input on that, there will be an appropriate time to tell our elected representatives what we'd like to see done. And I'm sure that our actual scientists will be following up on all credible leads that help them expedite a treatment or vaccine for COVID-19. So if that takes them back to a secret lair somewhere in Communist China where they're having unprotected sex with bats while eating live frogs... so be it. In the meantime, let's stay grounded in reality here. It's scary enough and it requires our full attention.