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Wow! I take a few days away from this doom & gloom thread and y'all have added over 5 pages to it! Think y'all have beaten this horse enough? OK, this is just my opinion. Take it for what its worth. Look, aside from the numbers and actual hard facts, everything else is nothing more than theory, supposition, conjecture and plain old guessing. Sure, they had contingency plans in place just in case something like this was to happen. But it was all based on those faulty computer models already mentioned. They were also based on budget needs at the time they were written, So following up got pushed to the side. In short, we got caught with our pants down. As they say, no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Well, we're well past first contact and now the battle has turned into a grade A cluster ****. This is new ground. None of us were even born yet the last time this happened (1918). Its a learn as you go situation. The lessons here are really hard. We have a bunch of politicians in charge. We've all known for many years that ALL politicians are thieves, liars, lazy and generally don't have a clue. Besides, they don't play well with others. Especially the other side of the aisle. Now, all of a sudden, you expect them to actually do their jobs? Hell, most of them are still looking out for themselves. CYA is the order of the day. Sure, lots of big talk in front of the cameras. That's what they do best. But privately, I'm betting many of them are pooping their pants. I've said before, mistakes have been made. And they will continue to be made on a daily basis. But at least they're trying. So far, I think the powers that be are doing a fairly decent job considering what they're up against. Trump is far from the best president we ever had. But I believe that he and his administration actually do care about the American people and are doing the best they can. As for me, there isn't much I can do about the situation. So instead of moanin' and groanin', I'm just gonna take precautions, hunker down at home and ride it out as best I can. How do you eat a sh!t sandwich? One bite at a time.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dhs-includes-gun-industry-in-critical-infrastructure-advisory-list-during-coronavirus-crisis?utm_source=msn&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=msn_feed The Trump administration issued a guidance that said the firearm industry should be allowed to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. A memo released Saturday by the Homeland Security Department said workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges are part of its "essential critical infrastructure workforce" advisory list during the COVID-19 response effort. Besides the section for law enforcement, public, safety and other first responders under which the firearm industry fell, the long advisory list also included sections for healthcare/public health, food and agriculture, energy, water and wastewater, transportation and logistics, and many others. DHS developed the list in collaboration with other federal agencies, state and local governments, and the private sector. Several states including California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts have deemed gun stores to be “non-essential” businesses during the coronavirus pandemic, forcing the shops to shutter. The National Rifle Association and several other gun rights groups filed a lawsuit against the state of California, alleging such closures violate the Second Amendment rights of the state's citizens. Other states such as Ohio, Illinois and Michigan have classified these businesses as essential and allowed the stores to remain open under the “stay at home” state-wide orders. Several states, including California, had seen a surge in gun purchases since the outbreak began. The memo from Christopher Krebs, director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, said the list is "advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive or standard." Still, the National Shooting Sports Foundation applauded the move. “We are deeply appreciative to the Trump Administration and Department of Homeland Security for recognizing the vital role our industry fulfills in our nation,” Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel for the firearm industry trade association, said in a statement. “We have seen over the past week hundreds of thousands, even millions of Americans choosing to exercise their right to keep and bear arms to ensure their safety and the safety of loved ones during these uncertain times. Americans must not be denied the ability to exercise that right to lawfully purchase and acquire firearms during times of emergency," he added. In his memo, Krebs stressed: "Decisions informed by this list should also take into consideration additional public health considerations based on the specific COVID-19-related concerns of particular jurisdictions." “This list is advisory in nature. It is not, nor should it be considered, a federal directive or standard. Additionally, this advisory list is not intended to be the exclusive list of critical infrastructure sectors, workers, and functions that should continue during the COVID-19 response across all jurisdictions," he added. “Individual jurisdictions should add or subtract essential workforce categories based on their own requirements and discretion.”

If it’s any indication of how seriously people should take this - John Prine and Joe Diffie are good examples. I don’t know that either of them are particularly rich - but they’re both certainly famous. Rich and famous folks get treated differently. They have other options that aren’t available to you and me. The fact that they’re dying from this ought to be a clue that everything is broken. Man, I hope John Prine pulls through. He’s brought me a lot of joy through the years. I’ve seen him at Baja Burrito and other places around town over the years. He always seemed to have a smile or kind word for folks who were wondering if that was John Prine.

For the record to anyone unsure, buying products like the one linked is a bad idea unless you buy a tax stamp.

Thats sad for sure. He was only 61. Wonder if he had any underlying complications? Smoker? Not that any of that really matters just helps understand. As someone with a chronic lung condition (asthma) I really don't want to test my luck with this

On the list of bad ideas, this one is pretty high up there.

A good read. I took a course from Givens years ago and remember the story about the Petit family. I have a co-worker who has repeatedly said his chances of being a crime victim are almost non-existent because he doesn't go to areas where crime happens. It blows his mind when I shake my head and reply that anything can (and sometimes does) happen anywhere, any time. He (and many others) refuse to acknowledge this reality.

A member started a company years ago and created the Battle Mug along with several other products. The one above is a cheap knock off. https://battlemug.com/

Dude is selling them from his home and I'd bet by the transit time there drop shipped from China.

I had a man follow one of my young daughters home, at midnight, after she got off work at a local Sonic drive in. He was on our front porch looking in a window and turned over a potted plant waking the whole house. Scared the begebies our of my family. I also had a bad trip to our mail box, several years ago after I retired. I was glad I was armed, and if the guys had come a little closer the gun would have come out. I was glad it didn't. I hardened entrance to our home, lit up the outside, and purchased a dog. Also carry all the time even here at home. One just never knows.

I’d highly recommend having an approved tax stamp first. That being said, DO NOT BUY THE LINKED PRODUCT! There are plenty of “Solvent trap” kits out there that do a good job of walking the line of being a “80%” suppressor. That kit is not it. It is a complete suppressor. Just the interior piece alone will get you PMITA prison time. It is a mono-core baffle stack and qualifies as a suppressor by itself. Also, if you notice, it doesn’t just come with a cap you have to drill out, it comes with a ring that will screw onto the outside end. If you do that, you have a complete suppressor. This kit is illegal as all hell and the only reason I’m not killing the link is that I want y’all to see what to avoid. It doesn’t matter if you have an approved Form 1 and stamp in hand. You can’t buy all the parts complete and then slap an engraving on it and say you “made” it. It doesn’t work that way.

Nope, I wouldn't be allowed. It was about 1 PM at WM of all places.

I think that's one place too far up the supply chain. What I mean is, a lot of the folks who buy those "tobacco pipes" and "essential oil extractors" go on to be arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia or whatever the equivalent distilling charge is. Because they're using them to smoke something that's not tobacco or extract something that's not essential oil. The seller had some degree of "Whaaa? I had no idea!" but the buyer gets arrested. Buying yourself a "fuel filter" and using it for something that's not filtering fuel is asking for something that's not a vacation. Especially after posting about it in a thread like this...

9873cPi by Johnny Rotten, on Flickr

I'm not worried about throwing $60 away. I am worried about throwing 60+ months away!

Yep. If you’re trout fishing in Tennessee don’t cast a side eye at some canned corn on your hook, either.

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I seen him live back in August, great show... Its what he wanted

I run my Surefire m300c in the Thorntail SBR Mount with tape switch. It ticks the light in closer to the rail and the wire is closer as well and held in close with small zip ties. It’s worked well so far.

I didn’t care for Joe until I saw him perform live. That man had some talent.

If your parachute didn’t open, but your corpse tests positive for Corona, guess what gets the blame.

Already read many articles of scams cranking up. And our local PD has posted about it on social media.

This just inspires more confidence to me. And looks better if that should be a factor.

I have one rifle with a tail switch setup, one with a pressure pad, and I can’t settle on which is better either.

I scored some toilet paper today. Feeling like a king ready to conquer the world.

The short answer is, I don’t think so, the thread pitch is different. The long answer is, maybe it could be done, but not at a cost less than a new barrel. A quick search with no verification, shows a P14 - Enfield is 1-1/8” X 10, and a Rem 700 is 1-1/16" x 16.

Search “Solvent Traps” and you will find many more. It is my understanding if you do the modifications yourself and submit the $200 fee with the proper paperwork to the BATF; you would be legal. If you don’t and you are caught using one; the costs will exceed the tens of thousands and there is a good possibility you will do prison time. While in my opinion, suppressor prices are ridiculous; they would be the cheaper route to go.

LOL! Just that we old farts are full of totally useless information. I can walk by the tv and with a 90%+ rate of correctness; name old movie titles and actors. It drives my wife crazy. On the other hand, I can't remember squat about important things anymore. Like first date with wife, family members, etc. Heck, next I'll be forgetting her birthday and our wedding date!

based on current numbers the current world wide death rate is 4.7% (which rounds to 5 deaths per hundred or 50,000 per million) The US statistical death rate is 1.75% or almost 2 per hundred. While I totally believe that there are many more folks who have been infected than are included in the current statistics, To get to a death rate of 5 per million, we would need the total world wide cases to actually be about 6.8 billion (almost the world population) I think there is easily an order of magnitude more cases in the world (6.8 million over 680,000) but that only gets the per death rate to 0.47% which is 5000 per million

"Essential Ice cream" I hear you, Cookeville about the same. People are just going through the motions. Too many businesses doing half measures. All the take out at Restaurants. People grocery shopping with their kids. If your out touching doors and surfaces your spreading however..... I do believe the elderly for the most part are self quarantining more. I do see a lot of hand sanitizing. There are less cars on the road. Churches are empty too. All this has to help slow the spread and keep the heat off the hospitals. Now that the word is out for all the elderly and high risk folks who want to live. Maybe we can START the economy back up by Easter and let the rest of us catch this virus or not just like we do with the flu until a vaccine is made. Start the economy that is if people who end up making more sitting home with an additional $600 a week are willing to. That part of the emergency Bill is insane!

It appeared most of Knoxville ignored the social distancing rules yesterday. Cruz Farm on Gay St had a line out the door for people buying "essential" ice cream. Every park was full. People were hanging out in the parking lots in camping chairs. Does anyone feel like our numbers are accurate? We are reporting 1,512 total cases. It seems that even with people ignoring the rules TN isn't really seeing that many cases. I'm not sure what to conclude from that but Bill Lee is catching a ton of grief online for not doing more. Seems like a mandatory quarantine would almost be overkill for us at this point.

Actually, I believe that was used against the aliens ships in "Earth VS Flying Saucers"

Have you checked to see if all cylinders chambers are the same size? My bet they are not. Could be the "jump" inside the cylinder is an issue. My $0.02, shoot them up and reload as needed.

Live bait is the answer, be it red wigglers, night crawlers, meal worms and crickets., With a night crawler, hook it in the head end about 1/4 inch back from the tip. Now get a syringe with needle and inject air into the worm. with a sinker about 12 inches in front of the hooked worm cast it out and jig it back. Red wiggler you need a bobber, weight and small hook. put the weight about 12 inches above the hook, put the bobber 12 inches above the weight. Hook the worn as any times as you can on the hook. Cast near rocks or tree roots. Same set up for meal worms and crickets. This all these WILL get bites, small hooks for small fish. https://www.theonlinefisherman.com/hooks https://duckduckgo.com/?q=night+crawlers+worms+inject+air&t=ffnt&ia=web

Its warm but, I'm shooting in a .357 . I'm loading in .38 Special brass. 6.0 gr. Herco and CCI 500 primer.

This might help. https://www.knoxnews.com/story/entertainment/outdoors/2018/07/05/east-tennessee-fishing-spots-fort-loudoun-lake-cherokee-lake-watauga-reservoir/686928002/ http://www.outdoorknoxville.com/play/fishing/local-fishing-spots https://www.visitknoxville.com/blog/post/top-spots-around-knoxville-for-prime-bass-fishing/

I thought that was the whole idea with memes...

I really don't want to like this...but it's just so darn good I have to! lol

I said from the beginning, it won't take too many truck drivers being pulled off the road for medical reasons to feel the pinch. They enjoy a bit of isolation in their jobs, but by design, have to interact with a lot of folks in different areas. It's also a good coincidence that gas prices are keeping low enough to let the industry have some relief on that fixed cost for a bit during this crisis.

Yeah, best I can tell , this does nothing for me as an IC. I am ok with that. I’m still working and doing well.

Got dang thats pretty. Love functional "art". Those things were always such bricks but they just work.

I don’t recall any flu season that killed 15,000 Americans in four days. If that continued for a year, there would be over 1.3 million dead.

I doubt that.

Those are pretty cool!

That’s quite a sexy pair!

I put a post up on my blog about this ( Leveledsurvival.com - minor plug if you want to look ). Basically the reported mortality rate was 2% the last time I looked. I also feel (like @peejman) there are lots of unreported mild cases. That would make the mortality rate percentage plummet. In addition you need to look at the deaths. From my understanding it the young, old and already ill that are being hit the hardest. This is the normal pattern. So if you are a relatively good health, can get adequate medical care if your symptoms progress, and take care of yourself, you should be fine even if you get it. What I really worry about is the actual panic that is being fed by lots of groups. That panic can be way more dangerous than the illness. The whole mask and toilet paper hoarding is just the tip of the iceberg. If distribution lines were to get disrupted and the panicked crowd see food shelves empty, it could get ugly. The reality does not matter, it is the perception of the situation that drives the resulting actions. The results may be panic and rioting that results in nothing more than the destruction of existing resources and limits aid from entering the area. Obviously that creates a bad downward spiral that could be hard to pull out of it it became widespread. Anyone that has a family and does not keep a back stock of supplies to sustain them through a snowstorm, being isolated by flood water, social unrest, job loss, or even quarantine is not doing anyone any favors. It is just a matter of good household management. Cost rarely can be used as a determining factor. Splurge on a Coleman stove ($44 on Amazon if you can't find a second hand one) and a few canisters of fuel (4 for $13.87 at Wal-Mart). The rest can be cheap, Ramen noodles and stores brand cans of soup can fill the food pantry as long as you have no dietary restrictions. Water can simply be gallon jugs that you can buy for $0.99 each if you do not have any containers. If you have access to or want to buy clean water containers, then it gets even cheaper by simply refilling them at the sink. Just rotate the water periodically to keep it fresh. Being prepared to "weather the storm" isn't hard, it just requires taking responsibility for yourself and your family, Basically people have primed themselves for panic by only having batteries and mustard in their fridge and a stale box of corn flakes in the pantry.

I’m going to hide the above post. I was hoping this thread wouldn’t go straight to conspiracy theory - simply because it will distract from needed focus to respond and prepare adequately. It’s worth noting that the Wuhan Institute was the first to identify and upload the DNA of the virus last year for public study. And, the Financial Times has published peer reviewed epidemiology studies showing no genetic mutations - meaning the strains of this virus have evolved naturally and have not been modified/weaponized in a lab.