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So I got tired of waiting on Sig to ship the Romeo Zero to OpticsPlanet and the Holosun HS507K is still not released. To satisfy my impatience, I got a new Shield SMSc off eBay. Same price as Springfield Armory, but no tax and free shipping. About $80 more than the Romeo Zero and only $6 more than the Holosun, shipped. The installation went smoothly. Initially you need to remove the slide (check the weapon is unloaded) to get to the two small screws on the underside that attach the rear sight and optic cover plate. The screws are allen head and use a 3/32” Allen wrench. They are fairly tight, and the socket for the Allen key is fairly shallow so make sure the key is in there straight. Once the optic plate is removed, install the battery into the bottom of the sight with the target sticker to the outside. The sight fits perfectly on top of the slide. The Shield SMSc is marketed towards the Springfield Hellcat. As such, the screws that come with the SMSc are M4-0.7 in size which are what the Hellcat needs. The P365XL needs M3-0.5 sized screws that are 10mm in length. I have read online to use 12mm, but the 10mm seem to work fine. In the photo below, the M4 acrews are on top and the M3 screws are on the bottom. I picked mine up at Home Depot. They are allen cap-head and take a 2.5mm or a 7/64” allen key. The head diameter is a bit smaller than the screws that come with the sight. I will either get some very small washers or different screws in the near future. The instructions are not very detailed that come with the sight. It is a straight forward install, but details like how much to torque the screws are not included. I have not dialed it in, but it does include the correct Allen key, an adjustment gauge, a shim to help with elevation adjustment, and decent instructions. It appears to co-witness well with the Sig front sight. It looks great on the P365XL, not too large. I did need to modify one of my holsters, but the dremel works wonders on Kydex. I have to say the RedDot looks great with the tritium front sight. I do still have my orders in with OpticsPlanet for the Romeo Zero (ships 4/14, supposedly) and Holosun HS507K (no ship date provided). I figured I might as well stay in line. When these do finally ship, if I don’t want to switch, they will likely go up for sale.

Training your wife. That's the funniest thing I've heard in weeks!!! wait, is this the joke thread? Seriously though... in my experience, the best person to train your wife is someone else.

Yep and they are similar to women, they not only need to look good, they need to feel good!! I shall continue my search.

I put a post up on my blog about this ( Leveledsurvival.com - minor plug if you want to look ). Basically the reported mortality rate was 2% the last time I looked. I also feel (like @peejman) there are lots of unreported mild cases. That would make the mortality rate percentage plummet. In addition you need to look at the deaths. From my understanding it the young, old and already ill that are being hit the hardest. This is the normal pattern. So if you are a relatively good health, can get adequate medical care if your symptoms progress, and take care of yourself, you should be fine even if you get it. What I really worry about is the actual panic that is being fed by lots of groups. That panic can be way more dangerous than the illness. The whole mask and toilet paper hoarding is just the tip of the iceberg. If distribution lines were to get disrupted and the panicked crowd see food shelves empty, it could get ugly. The reality does not matter, it is the perception of the situation that drives the resulting actions. The results may be panic and rioting that results in nothing more than the destruction of existing resources and limits aid from entering the area. Obviously that creates a bad downward spiral that could be hard to pull out of it it became widespread. Anyone that has a family and does not keep a back stock of supplies to sustain them through a snowstorm, being isolated by flood water, social unrest, job loss, or even quarantine is not doing anyone any favors. It is just a matter of good household management. Cost rarely can be used as a determining factor. Splurge on a Coleman stove ($44 on Amazon if you can't find a second hand one) and a few canisters of fuel (4 for $13.87 at Wal-Mart). The rest can be cheap, Ramen noodles and stores brand cans of soup can fill the food pantry as long as you have no dietary restrictions. Water can simply be gallon jugs that you can buy for $0.99 each if you do not have any containers. If you have access to or want to buy clean water containers, then it gets even cheaper by simply refilling them at the sink. Just rotate the water periodically to keep it fresh. Being prepared to "weather the storm" isn't hard, it just requires taking responsibility for yourself and your family, Basically people have primed themselves for panic by only having batteries and mustard in their fridge and a stale box of corn flakes in the pantry.

From a first responder standpoint, there are a lot of lessons to be learned here from the emergency management / planning side of things. It's actually surprising to see these issues pop up now, given that this isn't our first rodeo with pandemics. Things like not relying on "just in time" logistics model for mission critical items (such as masks), considering it's obvious even to the layperson that this sort of approach doesn't hold up if there is a sudden surge in demand, a sudden collapse in the supply chain, or in this case, both. It was never meant to. It's in the interest of national security not only to maintain a sufficient stockpile of these items, but also maintain the capability to rapidly ramp up production domestically so that if our main supply route from China is no longer available, we are fully equipped to deal with a pandemic with organic assets, including surges even more significant than what we're seeing with COVID-19. Where we do have domestic production, we find ourselves sorely lacking in the manpower and facilities to meet anything beyond predicted levels of demand. Single points of failure are not uncommon -- 85% of all the worlds IV bags are manufactured in a single facility in Puerto Rico, and severe shortages occurred after Hurricane Maria. There are also additional downstream effects -- prescription drugs that we developed that may have nothing to do with this (ie, blood pressure medication, medication for those with end stage renal disease, etc) are often made in China and India to save money, and we're seeing a shortage in those active ingredients. Healthcare providers will often not simply write you an extra months prescription so you can "shelter in place" / "self quarantine" because they're more worried about you selling your drugs on the street than hardening our ability to deal with unexpected situations (including natural disasters and pandemics). With the flu season being as bad as it has been, a lot of people have already used up their sick days and there is no "national crisis" exception protecting workers from punishment in case of a pandemic on top of that. Companies are telling people they can no longer call out sick, and considering most Americans live paycheck to paycheck they can't afford to anyway. Simultaneously they are not permitted to wear a mask themselves because of dress codes and the companies desire to maintain a professional face to the customer. Coronavirus may not be that deadly to the general population, but experience in Italy has shown that the vulnerable demographics can and will still overwhelm our ability to respond to them, with the result being hospital staffing shortages, delay of routine care that would ordinarily happen in the absence of the pandemic (surgeries, cancer treatments, etc) to repurpose those assets towards expanding ICU capability and staffing. In the end, this means mortality rates that would normally be pretty low because we're able to provide focused care to those who are especially vulnerable are instead significantly higher than they ostensibly should be because we're simply don't have the assets to give everyone that same level of care we're used to when the resources aren't saturated. Some of the anecdotes coming out of there are, conservatively put, unpleasant for both the populace and provider (ie, people arresting in ICU with no interventions made) Social Media is, of course, polarizing as it is with all things. "It's the end of the world", or "it's nothing at all to be concerned with"... and like most things the truth is somewhere in the middle, and depends on your perspective. Losing a loved one can certainly feel like the end of the world, and it's cold comfort to console them with the statistics that it wasn't very likely. The economic repercussions to the global economy stemming from a single person eating a single bat on the other side of the world turns out to be immeasurable and yet to even be fully realized. Our response to this butterfly effect, a tragedy of the commons. Perhaps ameliorated if we were all on the same page, but when have we ever been? The mainstream media is no help, they've long since dropped any veneer of being unbiased and left journalistic integrity by the wayside, sacrificed at the alter of clicks, views and ad revenue so they of course continue to sensationalize everything. I'm not as upset by that I suppose because that's what I've come to expect from them, and I'd prefer too much noise to too little signal, with the recognition that we as citizens should be equipped with the judgement and experience to be able to pick the useful bits out of the din where we can. So in a broader sense, it's not Coronavirus itself, it's what it represents and the illumination it's provided on some serious cracks in our ability to effectively to respond to natural disasters, including pandemics. Upon discovering these issues I can't help but get a sense of incredulousness. Are you kidding me? Many of them are entirely preventable and were simply policy choices. To find out with trillions spent this sort of thing has been going on decades, spanning administrations.... It's common sense to even the layperson, even if just in principle, that this is not the correct approach, and it was only a matter of time until these problems were revealed, if not through corona virus than something else. There are far too many people earning a comfortable GS10 and above salary throughout Government, the CDC, FEMA, DHS for this to be a thing. Yet here we are. We've all heard "when seconds count, police are only minutes away", and I often tell people that despite our best efforts, first responders cannot be everywhere at once and so as a sovereign individual you share at least some of the responsibility for your own well being until help can arrive. Even for those who espouse the state over the individual this is the case to at least some degree, yet the very thought is met with by gawking by those who has come to be utterly dependent on the state. This experience has only reinforced my understanding that the Government, even if well intentioned, is not a monolith acting as a single entity... it's instead a big ship to steer, and getting anything done through the bureaucracy can be a real challenge, with these delays measured in lives. Penny wise and pound foolish, hundreds of millions to tens of billions in expanding and hardening domestic infrastructure for surety sake is significantly cheaper than the hundreds of billions in economic impacts that failing to do so can bring, especially considering deadly pandemics have always been a matter of when, not if. Here's a recent thread from events in Italy: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html

The real impact of this disease isn't physical, its economic. People are told not to go to work, others are afraid to go anyplace that could be crowded. Companies are losing productivity. Stores have difficulty restocking needed goods. There is a manpower shortage. People are neither making or spending money. They're just sitting at home, wringing their hands and waiting for this to blow over. Getting sick is just the tip of this iceberg.

Best trade I ever made was guns for a boat. Twenty years ago I traded 25 new in the box Sig P series { P220, P228, P229, P226) pistols for a new pontoon boat. Kept the boat in the water all the time at my aunts dock on the lake. When she passed away she left me the lake lot. I built a new house on it two years ago and will live out the rest of my days here. Still have a pontoon down there in the boat dock.

Does anyone think the number of people diagnosed is remotely accurate? A large number of those who have been confirmed to have the virus have reported relatively minor symptoms. What percentage of people who get a cold that's treatable with OTC meds see a doctor at all? I don't go to my doctor unless I've been miserable for at least a week. I'd presume I'm in the majority there. That leads me to believe that it's way more widespread than is being reported. Which also means the death rate isn't nearly as high as currently stated.

This actually ended up getting a Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40. Still have yet to fire it. It will make its appearance for TN Deer this year if not for CO Elk sooner.

In any disease case, it's always interesting to look at the numbers. There is so much speculation amongst our political class and the media - the first wants to protect their jobs, and the second needs something to fill the airwaves. It's hard to know what to trust - but the data rarely lies. There's still so much we don't know, but the following chart would indicate that the US(the first largest economy in the world) are on the same path as Italy(the eighth largest economy in the world) - just about 11.5 days behind. Also note the presence of Germany, France, the UK, and Spain (fourth, seventh, sixth, and thirteenth respectively.) A week is not much time affect the slope of an exponential curve. By the end of next week - Friday or Saturday - we could be looking at serious restrictions to combat community transmission. This isn't a time to panic - but you know when Noah built the ark? Before it started raining. It's probably worth making sure you've got a little bit extra set aside. If you have underlying health issues - especially COPD or other respiratory conditions - maybe a little more. Think about being in close contact with large groups. Wash your hands.

I hope those of you who think this is just media hype are right. The graph that MacGyver posted isn't selling anything or trying to prop up Nielsen ratings, so you might want to consider that as well. While the media has seized this as the latest thing to connect eyeballs to advertising dollars, don't let that cloud your ability to think rationally and consider the way this virus is spreading exponentially. And even if the people who are most vulnerable are the aged and the infirm, the fear that is swirling around it is capable of crippling economies and already has done exactly that in other countries. In a few weeks, it would be great if we could look back at this and laugh about how wrong the believers were. In the meantime, I'd be making sure I had food, water, essential medicines, and other necessities required to be confined to my house for 2-3 weeks. I'd also be making sure my vehicle(s) had full tanks of gas so that if the petroleum supply chain is interrupted by a labor shortage, I still had fuel to get to wherever I might need to go in an emergency. Postscript note... I wish I could type more but I'm still on the clock from 0700HRS, making very unprecedented preparations for a company that doesn't spook easily when it comes to healthcare topics.

DING, DING, DING, we have a winner here!!!

I think the media is trying to create a frenzy that could upset folks going to the polls in November. And no I don't wear or have a tinfoil hat. There are 30,000-45,000 people that die every year of the flu and you don't hear CNN say much about it. There is plenty of toilet tissue to go around if people wouldn't buy 2 years worth at a time. This reminds me of the .22LR "shortage" we had. I would love to know how many billion or more rounds aren't setting in the bottom of a lot of gun safes that will never be shot. But they got em!! I saw a figure and don't know if it was true saying that ammo sales had went thru the roof since the virus got bigger. Are some guys going to shoot the virus?? The figure for .40 cal was something like 470% increase. Oh well lets see what the media can stir up tomorrow. Boy Howdy!!

I completely believe the current number of infected or post infected (recovered) is easily an order of magnitude or more higher than the 120000ish cases reported. If the number is 1,200,000 that makes the “mortality rate” drop from ~3% to ~0.3%. Now, the older population is still more venerable to more serious complications than the average person. WASH YOUR HANDS!!!!!

I’m going to hide the above post. I was hoping this thread wouldn’t go straight to conspiracy theory - simply because it will distract from needed focus to respond and prepare adequately. It’s worth noting that the Wuhan Institute was the first to identify and upload the DNA of the virus last year for public study. And, the Financial Times has published peer reviewed epidemiology studies showing no genetic mutations - meaning the strains of this virus have evolved naturally and have not been modified/weaponized in a lab.

Good to know that my personal experience, and the experience of several people I know is pure unadulterated bs. People and birds have very different physiology, hence different tolerance and reaction to lead poisoning. Given that your average hawk weighs 3 lbs or less, it's reasonable to assume the bird might be fractionally more sensitive to lead than a human based simply on body weight. Yes, we nearly hunted bison to extinction. Numbers of the vast majority of animals plummeted during that time as well. But let's not learn from any of that if it's inconvenient. Most raptors don't swallow rocks, they're able to digest the soft parts and then cast (throw up) a pellet of the indigestible parts (fur, bones, etc.). Swallowing rocks is much more common in birds that eat grass and bugs and hence spend much more time on the ground.

That is awesome!!!

All of you guys saying you hunt for heritage and conservation need to buck up and use copper or just quit being full of sh*t. I mean it kills me that people will make fun of flat earthers and non-vaccinators but then completely ignore science when it comes to lead. "Science is only right when it doesn't contradict my worldview"....same thing as people picking and choosing what part of the bible they want to believe but calling everyone that doesn't go to church on Sunday a backslider.

Been looking the last couple of months for a replacement deer rifle after my M1917 Eddystone got stolen. Was heavily considering a 721 Remington and then found a scoped 1903 that wasn’t the prettiest, but got a helluva deal on. Was in my hometown today for my sons birthday at grandmas and found the one I’ve been looking for. Pre-64 Model 70 Super Grade in 30-06... priced at $350. Needless to say, that’s one less they have to sell this year .

I wish I could afford all of them. Automag II 22WMR Automag III 30 Carbine Automag IV 45 Win Mag Automag V 50AE

I think this would make a dandy truck rifle!

Well a friend and I went to Chattanooga to visit a friend this past weekend. While we were there, we hit up a gun store or two and loaded up on cheap long guns to bring back home. My four. The 10/22 came with three butler creek 10 round mags and they were clipped together in an awful triangle thing. Got the mags apart. My buddy's trio. I also hit an estate sale Friday and they had this old Tasco. Made in Japan and surprisingly clear so I brought it home for 5 bucks. It's got a good home on the model 60 that I got and they make a nice little pair.

Congrats on a good weekend. I went to the gun show in Memphis and didn't find anything. It looks like I should have been looking elsewhere.

I have one of the base models (19109) I got back in Dec in 40 S&W since I have a crap ton of it and wanted a little more "power" than the 9mm. I highly recommend the rifle in whatever configuration you like. It is a quality built rifle in my opinion. Seems to hold zero when you break down the rifle. I put an extended mag release on mine (you'll see why if you get one). I also put a Vortex Crossfire compact red dot on it. It's a hoot to shoot. They have many variants, so be sure not to get one of the State Compliant ones like you linked unless your location requires it.

No experience with that particular version but the basic model (19100, slightly lighter and uglier) is just about the funnest carbine ever invented, second only to M1 Carbines. Slap a Sig Romeo 5 on top and you might find yourself never shooting another rifle again. And be ready to burn a whole lot of ammo.

Can he stretch 'em for us guys who've beaten anorexia?

French Saint-Chamond tanks passing through the village of Conde-sur-Aisne, Spring 1918

Don’t be worried about messing up a slide. People cut these with CNC machines all the time. Get a Glock, send the slide off for cut and sight install, throw the optic on there and run it like a scalded dog! You’ll love it.

I disagree, anything that makes it more difficult, or more expensive to shoot impacts the 2nd Amendment. Make no mistake, they are after your guns, even if they have to take them a piece at a time. When they outlaw lead for hunting, outdoor target shooting is right behind it, then indoor ranges etc. How many birds eat in indoor ranges, according to CA, it must be a bunch of them. With outlawing lead, and taxing ammo they have found a workaround to demolish the 2A, they are making guns expensive paperweights.

Or remove the bullet fragments if you're going to leave the carcass or gut pile. Birds certainly aren't the only critters that eat carrion and are subject to lead poisoning.

Scratched an itch I’ve had for a long time. I’ve loved these pistols since their inception.

Okay, we can shut this thread down, went to eyeball the boat and not what I was looking for. MacGyver there will be no pics, I didn't post pics of the guns lost in the previous boating accident either. Thanks guys, nothing to see here, keep on walking.

I don't know what kind of doctor Dr. Mike is, but I'd sure watch a video on his skin care regimen.

More concerned about my not liking it and having a pistol that I didn't care for. lol like several others I have stashed away.