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If he comes people complain and if he doesn't people will complain! A no win situation for him!

Exactly. I’ll add this… I put zero importance on how any of this impacts my ability to carry in another state…zero. I in no way support any kind of federal carry permits, or allowing the Feds to place their heavy hand in our gun laws. Reciprocity between two states needs to be just that.

Only 3 States that have Constitutional Carry allow resident only, Idaho, North Dakota and Wyoming, the others that have it allow folks from States that have Constitutional Carry allow them to carry without a permit. All states touching TN that have permitless less carry honor citizens of any state.

Also on this day in history, 03 04 1948, I was born. "IT'S MY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!" 72 today. Didn't believe I would make it this far. The Bible says mans' life consist of 3 score and 10 years(70), and if blessed 4 score (80) (Psalms 90:10). I am on the way to 4 score L/w. If I make it to 4 score, (80) then, afterwards, I will be on bonus time. Just celebrated 50 years to the same wonderful lady (My Laddie Kay). "I've had a good life with her and our 4 daughters." However, the most important thing is, I have made preparations for the next life, in heaven, with God through faith in His Son Jesus Christ. Nothing trumps this! Have "YOU" made your peace with Jesus?????? I hope so....Would like to meet you up there. I like Uncle Buck.

I can and will post the language of the amendment that makes the bill tomorrow, but from a perusal of the amendment here is my our take on it. Most people say that they believe in the 2nd Amendment. Most believe that the 2nd Amendment protects a right that every citizen in the entire county has to have and carry guns for all purposes. Most people, at least people from Tennessee, believe God gave us this right. The bill as proposed does not recognize that its my right and your right to have and carry guns, not just handguns. Here are some of those facts. First, it only applies to Tennesseans. Does it say that specifically, no. But that is the trickery of referencing the enhanced permit statute. So, citizens of our border states and other states have no rights that Tennessee would recognize under this bill. Its not being treated as a right but an exception for some citizens to a criminal charge, if it’s a right it must apply to any citizen who can legally own, purchase or possess and handgun. This one does not. Second, by referencing the enhanced permit statute the proposed bill only applies to Tennessee citizens who are lawful citizens or permanent residents who are at least 21 year old or a small set of 18-20 year olds in the military. But under state and federal law, any 18 year old can buy a handgun from another citizen. The 21 year old limit is only a limit on who federal gun dealers can sell to. Existing Tennessee laws already recognize that anyone 18 and up can purchase, possess, own and use a handgun. Third, if it’s a right it should apply based on a person’s right to own guns. This bill does not. This bill fails to recognize the right by adopting the special conditions on the enhanced permit such a person cannot have 2 or more DUIs in the last 10 years as prohibitions on the right to carry a handgun. If you want to include all those prohibitions why not just make the enhanced permit free and get rid of the training requirement because all the other conditions are being used to infringe the right of lawful gun owner? Fourth, if it’s a right it should be a right everywhere. This bill says it only applies where the person has a right to be. What does that mean? If I don’t have a right to be in a mall because I am not wearing a shirt should I also be criminally prosecuted if I have a gun in my pocket? Fifth, it it’s a right it should be a right in publicly owned parks and buildings as well as the streets and all parking lots. This law does not allow citizens who are exercising a right to even go in a park or walk on a greenway. Sixth, if it’s a right you should be able to drive to work and leave my lawfully owned handgun in my personal car. You can if you have a permit because that is already the law but if you just want to exercise your right to carry a firearm you cannot do that under this bill which means you could be fired for leaving your gun in personal car just because YOU parked at work. (Company handbook clause) Seventh, if you want to pass constitutional carry, then treat it as a right that the people have with or without the constitution. That is not what this law does. This law leaves the criminal penalties for illegally carrying a gun on the books. The bill uses these existing criminal laws as a threat to charge people who are only trying to exercise a right and then creates a defense to the criminal charge if the citizen happens to meet all of the conditions, conditions which are really nothing more than infringements. So, if you really want to pass constitutional carry all you need to do is say that a person who can legally purchase or possess a firearm has the right to carry it in Tennessee and to do so in public places (not private), on public property (not private property) and even while parking their vehicles in places where they are allowed to park. Constitutional carry needs nothing more than the removal of infringements. On the other hand if all you want to do is to create a defense to a criminal charge with a lot of conditions and qualifications this accomplishes that.

We live just south of I40 about 1/2 mile in Mt Juliet. Daughter woke us at the peak, we went outside and could hear the thing go by just north of I40 about 1/2 mile. Something the hear from a mile away. We are OK, my son lives in Tuckers Cross Roads, the thing went between him and I40, missed his place by 100 yards with no damage, damn scary. All our friends we know out here are OK. Thank God for his blessings every day, you just dont when he will call you.

Don’t try to go anywhere around Nashville on Friday. I know all the presidents do this, and they think its expected of them, to show respect for those affected. But all it does is shut down traffic and hamper those trying to get things restored. President Trump, please send one of your representatives that they don’t have to shut the whole city down for and just send your respects on FOX news. I bet everyone regardless of party affiliation in the area would appreciate it.

Thank you!

Like I mentioned before, I have a lifetime permit so I get nothing out of this. I still want better for my fellow citizens for whom this does benefit. I’ll take it on the incremental win that it is, but I t still needs work and the legislature will continue to need to be pressed on that front.

It is a win for us, guys! Just take it.

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!

I thought it was going to be a thread about what size inner tubes fit the grips of various pistols.

Is it just me, or does it seem like once this goes into effect it’s a better deal than the CC permit That passed last year? Only thing it doesn’t grant is the limited reciprocity in other states. If that isn’t an issue, then the CC permit isn’t worth bothering with.

Thanks everyone! Went into my local store today, got to paw a Glock 44 for a good 20 minutes. Oh. My. Gawd. Listen, I'm of German descent, you don't have to convince me a whisker about the quality of German/Swiss/Austrian engineered devices. Honest. I own a plastic pistola myself (S&W M&P 9C) but Oh My GAWD!!!! Seriously, I've held airsofts that felt more robust! I'm sure it's a fine gun, really, Glock's name says it all... And I get they're trying to manufacture to a price point... BUT OH MY GAWD! I wouldn't give you 200 bucks for that piece of plastic, let alone 360 + tax. Honest, I'm sure it's great, if you have one and love it, more power to you! But I'll never spend that kind of cake for something that looks and feels like chinese crap, I don't care who's logo is on it. Period. Put some damned metal into the gun! The stinking guide rod is plastic! Frankly I wasn't 100% sure about the barrel, either (kidding!) Wow... Maybe I really am getting old?

I am not sure Greg. I do know a lot of trees down and we were without power from 2AM till about 8:30 am and my SIL's preacher called him and ask for help cutting some trees off houses in Carthage and when they arrived with all the equipment they got turned away by authorities and told to come back today because they had not finished checking all the houses damaged for anyone injured of killed. The school closings are mostly because of power in some areas and trees and power poles on many of the county roads the school buses travel. My grandson's school is only 20 minutes from our house but there are trees all over that road. That's about all I know about it.

Doug, first off, glad you and your family ok. I apologize for not returning your call. I was in Cookeville/Double Springs area yesterday and phone/cell service was a bit spotty at times there. I was able to see you called, but was just wasted last night and didn't call back. I'm very sorry. I had family in that area. It was awful. Widely spaced homes, and especially the area around Echo Valley and Double Springs was just wiped off the map. I don't have numbers this morning, but last night rumors had 20 homes and businesses in a small are gone. There were many injuries and at least 2 deaths there. I think that number will be higher. Terrible doesn't get close to the destruction. My family there was blessed. Some minor injuries, some requiring hospitilization, one serious that's touch and go at the moment. During all this, I got online to find that a brother of ours here has had his home damaged. He lives in East Nash. I haven't been there yet, don't know if I can get to him. I won't tell his name yet openly, I haven't talked with him to see if he wants that. Some probably know already, but until I get the ok, I will not mention who. Took mother-in-law food and flashlights around 5 this morning when we got home. She, like a lot of Donelson has no power. Some shingle damage, minor as far as we know, to her home. Some around her not so lucky The episcopal Church on McGavock Pike is destroyed. Many trees down. Several homes missing entire roof, one 3 story, has lost the top story I'm told. Glad to be here. Glad most of family is ok. Happy for those of us who didn't receive damage or injury. Praying for those who did. Added 3/8/20 I got a chance to drive around the East side of the McGavock/Windemere Dr. area today. Much more damage than I knew of. A couple of several square blocks bad to total devestation. Many, many old trees down. Power restored to most of that area by around 4PM. But still many more needing power and help.

He is accustomed to it.

All Model 37s were aluminum alloy frames. S&W has never made any guns out of magnesium. If, by some odd chance, it is one of the very early alloy cylinders, I strongly suggest you don't shoot it. They went to a steel cylinder for a reason. however, that would add considerably to its value and collectability. Value will depend on a lot of factors. Barrel length, round or square butt, finish, box and papers? of course condition is everything. Pictures would be most helpful. Best I can say is about $250-300 on the bottom to around $600 for a really nice one.

This is very disappointing.

Putnam county would be a much more suitable place for a photo op on Friday afternoon.

Glad to hear you're o.k., Doug.

You'd be incorrect. Government does not have the power to grant rights. You are born with rights. Government can only infringe upon them.

I hear a man from the National Weather Service said that the tornado first landed right at the Tennessee River in West Tennessee and according to their calculations the twister was actually on the ground for 200 miles as it traveled to Cookeville in Putnam County. They said they are getting reports of damage on the entire path it took. I stood on my front porch with SIL and Daughter at 2 AM this morning and we could hear it pass within 2 miles of the houses here and had to back away a little to prevent getting hit by quarter size hail as it passed by. No damage here and SIL is down the road in Carthage helping people from his church cut trees off about 20 houses. Prayers to all that have suffered loss and to the families with loss of life.

Prayers for sure for all involved. You know there are several crazy things with this tornado, how far it went and what day. Exactly 1 year ago 23 were killed on 3-3-19 in Lee county, Alabama and in 1998 on super Tuesday it hit Nashville at 5 points. Heard a bit ago death toll now at 22 with 16 of them in Putnam county where Cookeville is located. We live about 30 miles north and had a little bad stuff, but no damage. Ya'll hug your loved ones a little tighter tonight if they are in arms reach, if across the country or globe call them and tell them you Love them. Life is just 1 breath away and we aren't guaranteed our next one. Stay safe!!

And that’s my point. I’m not saying people don’t need training. Absolutely they do. And if they don’t get it, they risk losing everything they have in a civil suit, or possibly ending up in prison if they don’t fully understand the laws. But rights don’t have government training class requirements. If the state, or some group of concerned citizens think it would be a problem; they could offer free training classes. Heck, an online class can teach you not to leave your loaded gun laying around where kids can get it, or a laundry list of other ignorant things you shouldn’t do could be covered. For free! If Constitutional Carry gets passed there would be no real need for the concealed carry class. So, the training site would already be in place. The HCP classes would remain in place for those that want to carry beyond our state borders. Two things that I said many times should be offered by local government: free seminars by the local DA’s office covering gun laws and the use of deadly force, and free handgun training classes at Police ranges for local residents. If those two things were combined by a city or county the people could be trained at the range on gun safety and accuracy instead of getting bogged down in the gun laws, because that was covered by the DA. When I was a cop if we had questions about a law, we could either stop in or call the States Attorney’s office and they would answer our questions. Obviously, they wouldn’t have time to do that with the public, but they could schedule seminars. But it probably won’t happen, and I suspect that is because being attorney’s they fear the liability of training citizens more than they care about the lives it might save, or the people it might keep out of prison.

Unbelievable that some people on this GUN FORUM think that there should be a mandatory training class for a God-given right. Do I think that it's a good idea to get some training? Of course it is! But mandating it for a God-given right is ludicrous. The mandatory class that they have now for the HCP is useless as far as responsible gun-handling and accuracy are concerned, and it's just checking a box for the state. Heck, in my class they didn't even score the targets. The only use that I got from it was understanding Tennessee's laws in the matter.

My son was in a bar in 5 Points that got hit by the tornado. They were right next to the Basement East music venue that got destroyed. After the tornado passed they stepped outside and the first thing he saw was a women that had been killed by flying debris. He then pulled a injured man out of a car. A group of them were having a hard time getting his bleeding under control. Fire dept. finally showed up and took over and walked the group to a safe space. Physically he is ok but mentally he is pretty shook up.

To add, there is no “DMV” in Tennessee. Y’all yankees need to get with it.

Rugged Obsidian 9 with Tri Lug to mount on sub gun. https://ruggedsuppressors.com/product/obsidian-9/

Also as far as the TN constitution I am a follower of the United States Constitution....the Tennessee constitution holds as much weight as declaring Knoxville a sanctuary city or what have you...makes people all warm and fuzzy...doesn't mean sh*t.

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Everytime I see those 3 letters I have flashbacks of chest hair, gold chains, and a wife beater from parking wars. And that's from the women