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As a former Police Officer, I get mad every time I see this topic come up. You can’t make a person a criminal because they are a victim of a burglary. Metro PD needs to get off their lazy azz and go do the job they get paid to do. The Chief of Police where I was would have laughed at this and the told those planning it “You can’t be serious”. I keep a handgun in my car and am planning on having a rifle. My vehicle is always locked; even when parked inside, in my garage. If a gun is stolen from my vehicle in a burglary and then discovered on a criminal that has just committed a crime, what do you think the criminal is going to say when asked if the vehicle was locked? Then a DA can make a name for himself by going after the terrible citizen that left his car “unlocked” with a gun in it. This is BS. Rant off.

Why should one whose personal property is stolen be subject to any liability? While leaving firearms unsecured is generally not an entirely acceptable thing, you are indicating that even though the gun is no longer in one’s possession or control they should bear some responsibility for the act of a criminal after the theft of said property. The idea is ludicrous and such inane laws are already becoming the norm in many states and municipalities. Here’s just one of a thousand hypotheticals: What If I run run out to the store and forget to lock the door of my house. Someone invites themselves in, gets into the liquor cabinet, falls down the steps and breaks their neck, am I responsible for that? What If they take an axe from the garage and kills someone with it? Is that my fault?

Anybody give any thought to doing something about thieves?

Sort of a joke, but...Soon we are going to be told that if a firearm is stolen in a home burglary... We will be liable for that! Didn't secure it from home theft.

Virtually everything said and far more is in the book of Proverbs. Read the book of Proverbs at least once a year and really think about what it says. It is only 31 chapters and they are usually short so you can easily read one chapter a day, completing the book in one month.

A friend built this for me. If it ever dries up outside it's range time.

Manners are such a huge emphasis in our household. Nothing gets me into my children's asses faster in public than rude behavior and lack of manners. Il-mannered people in general drive me up the ####ing wall. HUGE pet peeve of mine.

We are in a gun friendly state….for now. What concerns me are the liberals that are going to want you to have to show that you saw a weapon and a “reasonable person” would think you were in immediate danger of death or great bodily harm when you run into their kid burglarizing your home in the middle of the night; and kill them. Or they will want to charge you when you kill someone that tries to pull you out of your car during a car jacking, only to find, after you kill them; that they are unarmed. My point is that when someone commits a criminal act against another; they should be held responsible for their crimes. The victim of a burglary can never be a criminal. And I don’t believe the state Supreme Court, or the SCOTUS will allow Nashville Metro government to do that.

I haven't had a car payment in 12 years. It's been a great feeling; one I fully intend to keep rolling.

It’s a failure by the parents and it’s a failure by the community. We need to not only take the cuffs off the Police, but we need prosecutors that will get convictions and jail/prison time. That means building more/bigger jails and prisons. The taxpayers don’t want to pay for that. But keep in mind that burglary is not seen as a violent crime as was years ago. When I was a cop you could shoot a fleeing burglar. We didn’t have many burglars run when we caught them in the commission of a burglary, now everyone runs; they have no reason not to. Until they pull a weapon; some don’t think they are an immediate threat. When they do pull a weapon; sometimes its too late. A Metro Police Officer is going to trial charged with murder for killing a suspect that was running with a gun in his hand. What was going to happen when he got to the corner and had cover and the Officer didn’t? But Oh, that’s not important. Does anyone think that when they are willing to charge cops with murder for shooting violent criminals; they won’t charge a civilian when they kill an intruder? Certainly, they will. I know that Metro, like many Departments, probably doesn’t have the Officers for proactive Policing. And they go from one call to the next. But as you can see, even some gun owners here are okay with charging me with a crime if I simply lock my car doors when I go in somewhere that requires me to leave my gun in the car. If I was a liberal gun hating DA, I would much rather let the criminal go, that has no money for attorney fees and fines, in exchange for their testimony against a law abiding gun owner that may have the money to have to pay out attorney fees to my fellow attorneys and fines to the government. I am not a criminal hugger and I do not believe in second chances for criminals that commit violent crimes. Their second chance is after they do their prison time. Burglary of a car is a crime that deserves jail time the first time. Burglary of a house or business is a violent crime that should require mandatory prison time.

That would require a shift in thinking on the liberal/gun hating left. And that's not very likely.

There's going to come a day when you can't get this stuff anymore and you'll wish you had stocked up back in the day. Just sayin'...

I have been watching that news on channel 5 where they are talking about the Broken Juvenile Justice System and they are taking to parents that have lost children being shot by guns stolen from unlocked unsecured cars and trucks and there was a couple elected officials talking about charging people who leave their guns in unlocked and unsecured vehicles and their guns are used in a crime. I figured sooner or later that issue was going to come up with over 700+ guns taken from unlocked vehicles just this year and most of them by kids. I have no clue why anyone would leave a loaded firearm in an unlocked vehicle to begin with but if it continues I'm sure steps are going to be taken to prosecute anyone who has a gun taken from an unlocked unsecured firearm in their vehicle and may even be charged as part of the crime the gun is used in. My Gun is never left unattended in my vehicle. When I get in my Jeep my gun is on my hip in a holster and when I get out my gun gets out also. I do have a secured lock box in my Jeep for an instance I need to go in someplace I am not allowed to carry it but I avoid those places when at all possible. Can anyone give me a reason why anyone would leave a gun in an unlocked car/truck when they arrive home and go in the house for the night???? I would be interested in hearing some!!!

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I usually have great interest in reading your posts. I don’t always agree with you, but you make me think. That’s a good thing. That being said, you are off the rails on this one. There’s no logical reason you or I should be liable for the criminal actions of someone who violated us.

Thanks, no paper trail I assume thus far these weapons stolen and then used in crimes were traced back to the victim/criminal/ former owner by some means, no ? I can't rattle off the SN of each EDC I carry but maybe that's something some of you hardcore guys can do and kudos to you

FTFY since we don’t have registration of firearms in this state.

What this says to me for those that leave them in vehicles and haven't had them broken into. A. Make sure the gun or guns left in your vehicle aren't registered to you. B. Either dont report the crime or do NOT report the gun or guns stolen when filing a report of B&E on your vehicle. When given the choice of reporting it and being made into a criminal or just cleaning up the mess and moving on which do you think people will choose ?

I’m sorry (not really sorry) but the irresponsible actions of one, do not excuse, nor are they equivalent to, the malicious actions of another. Is it irresponsible to leave a firearm in an unlocked vehicle? No doubt. But in no way is it acceptable to criminalize a victim of a crime because they didn’t “take sufficient measures” to prevent the criminal actions of others. It’s just damn ridiculous to view making the victim of a crime a criminal as an acceptable solution to the problem of criminal behavior from folks acting with true criminal intent.

Good manners and common courtesy cost you nothing. But it sure makes life more pleasant.

Dave, you label me as a cop basher, and I've earned it, but this isn't a police issue. It is a court issue. If we as a society do not decide to actually punish criminals harshly, we will continue to get more of the same. I'd like to live in a society where locking one's doors is optional. That can happen again, but no one seems to have the stomach to fix the problem.

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Checked out the options on the HST and noticed that you are required to be either an active LEO or a Law Enforcement Agency. They ask you to check one of the boxes. Being the law abiding citizen that I am, I guess that disqualifies me to purchase.

Unless its with firearms safety. Then failure should be something to fear.

Ha, Ha, Ha, I thought I covered that. Did you miss the part where I said Metro should quit eating donuts and go check their districts?

Have you ever forgotten anything?

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That's pretty slick. I carried a 26 a few years ago and settled on a Shield for now. I'm around during daylight hours and Saturdays. The littles keep me busy with homework, football, gymnastics and then softball through the summer. Stay-at-home parent isn't as much fun as one might think.

There's always one... In every group, there's always one! (See if you can find "that one" in this group!)

I worked with a young man that told me he was a Jets fan. I told him I didn’t think I had watched a Jets game since Broadway Joe played. He said “I don’t know who that is??”

No matter how tired you are spend lots of time with your kids. I lost a lot of sleep, spent a lot money supporting activities and put plenty of miles on the road, but it was all worth the time. Do these things so when you are riding in your car and you hear Jim Croce’s “Cats In The Cradle” you’ll tap your feet and sing along instead of having a breakdown at the stoplight. Unless your kids are ungrateful buttholes, you will still get calls and visits even when they are busy. The benefit to you is knowing you are loved and a peace of mind.

Thank you all for your comments. Much appreciated. I am planning to start my transition from Rochester, NY to TN (Free America).

If you need a car or some other big ticket item and you don't have the money to pay cash for it, you need a different one that you can. I paid off a car in my twenties and continued to make the payment to myself in a special account until I needed another one. Haven't financed a car in many years. Keep all that interest that would go to the bank for yourself.

I am almost more excited about the Gun Range they will have then the store, Lenny is a cool guy, I met him a few years ago

Your parents won't be around forever.

I guess I'll contact my county commission and get some red flag sanctuary talk going lol.

Thank you!

Decided to put together a AR with a little bling-not a lot just a little.

Sorry, what was the question?

Oh, now you sound like my wife...

To a point yes but one of the best lessons I learned about gun safety was when I shot a hole in my roof as a teenager. Being a typical dumbass boy I was trying to be cool and showing my hunting rifle to my girlfriend and put a .30 caliber hole in the ceiling of my bedroom and in the roof of the house. Needless to say my parents were not thrilled. Here is the lesson I learned: Pulling the trigger to see if the safety is on is not the best course of action.

If we keep prefacing "gun owner" with the adjective "responsible", we can't shy away from a conversation on what responsible actually means. Police will always be behind criminals in regard to this kind of theft, so "cops need to fix it" or something to that effect ignores fundamental operating conditions. I'm all for prosecuting those who steal guns to the fullest extent, but I think it's fair to think about what liability gun owners have for securing their firearms if they're used illegally. I wouldn't go so far as to mandate locked (case or trigger/barrel lock) inside a locked vehicle, but if someone has the gun in the console or glove compartment without any lock besides the door, I think there is some level of liability for how secure keep (or don't keep it) when it's not in their positive possession. I can see an argument that government areas shouldn't be able to restrict carry, but I still think a private business can exercise that prerogative if they wish. Needing to do basic day to day things will eventually bring you up against a no guns allowed scenario, and at that point, I think we have a duty to do more than just check the box when it comes to securing our firearms.

I work with a lot of millennials. It always makes me feel old when they do not get a classic movie reference.