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I have used several brands of steel targets over the years. Recently I have been using several steel targets from Action Target. The most used target has been the PT Torso target. Here is a brief review.

You don't want a small frame .357. Trust me on this. I have a S&W 642 that I carry quite often. Its a lightweight J-frame with a concealed hammer and fits your criteria except for being a lightweight. It can be stout with +Ps, but is still very manageable. I'm also quite fond of the 2 or 2.5" S&W K-frame (medium) revolvers and have several of those. Lots of models to choose from, but most do have spur hammers. But they can be bobbed. These will no doubt be the the most accurate and easiest to shoot. Even in .357 Magnum. But they are a bit on the large size. However, my all time favorite snubby is the old Colt Detective Special. Only a little bigger but it gives you six shots and is much easier to shoot well. The new Colt Cobra is basically a new version of this fine old revolver. You can get the Night Cobra with a black finish and it comes with a bobbed hammer.

Wanted to add to Jamie's positive experience at Point Blank in Knoxville. I took some of my staff and their families there today for a group event. An absolutely fantastic experience for everyone. Each person could bring there own guns and had access to any rental gun, was giving 1 box of ammo, eye and hearing protection and targets. Kids 14 and under were free (nice surprise) , 29.95 for everyone else. Minimum of 6 people but I had 9. I did pay $50 for an instructor. We were given a room to use for 2 hours food, etc and had 2 hours of range time. We had 3 kids. A 16 year old boy, and two 14 year old girls. Very little experience for this group. Nothing like watching everyone, especially the kids, go from being a little afraid to big grins and comfortable. They shot everything from 22s, AR-15, revolvers etc. Of course I had to bring a revolver and Desert Eagle in 44mag. 16 year old boy I hear is still talking about shooting those two. The staff was fantastic. Made everyone feel comfortable and answered all questions. Cody, the instructor (a Marine) was fantastic. He was attentive and gave good, solid instruction, but also stepped back and let each person shoot which really added to their confidence. All in all an absolutely perfect experience. I shot maybe 15 rounds today mostly demonstrating something. One of the best days ever for me at the range.

My guess is, he never had one. I carry my HCP in my wallet at all times. I've carried mine since back in the 90's, never been asked for it.

I just wanted to pop up a thread about a very positive experience I had at Shoot Point Blank indoor range in Knoxville yesterday. I also didn't want to drift a thread started by @Ronald_55 and that @peejman and others had posted in. I've been shooting there (Shoot Point Blank) for several months. I went the first time based on a coupon I received in the mail for a free 1/2 hour range session. I became a member as they offer a 50% discount for prior military service. That, and the fact it's only 5 miles from my front door made it a no-brainer. The facility is extremely well stocked, the staff are courteous, and professional. The ranges are safe, RSO's sharp, polite, knowledgeable, and professional. The range is well ventilated and well lighted. With my membership I can shoot any gun they have for sale (Clarification: you can fire 5 rounds in a "test drive", or you can choose any gun from their Rental section to shoot). I just need to purchase ammo from them to shoot in their gun. Fair enough. You can shoot long guns as well as handguns there. As a member I am eligible for one free transfer per month and one free class they offer per month, and my range time is unlimited. So, I was already very happy about my membership there. I recently picked up a .22 LCR and just last week replaced the front sight with an XS Orange Dot sight. My wife liked the looks of it and wanted to go shoot it with me yesterday. Holy Moly...did you read that? My wife wanted to go shoot with me! I jumped at that opportunity as it's been several years since she asked, and I learned loooong ago not to be pushy about such a subject. I've been married 31 years and plan to continue along that path! So she tried my .22 LCR (heavy trigger, but she wanted to try). She also shot a .38 S&W and .38 LCR. The double action trigger pull is simply too much for her. We went out to the desk and spoke with the saleslady. My wife handled several handguns, they not only allowed, but suggested she dryfire them. We checked out a S&W 380 EZ because it fit her well (as I already mentioned, no charge as I'm a member) and paid for a box of their ammo (Magtech). My wife shot all but one magful, which she graciously allowed me to shoot LOL. She loved the EZ 380. We bought her one then and there. Not the one she shot, but a new one that has a thumb safety because she liked that aspect. Excellent customer service all the way around imho. Now I gotta start handloading .380 again. I ordered her some practice ammo and a couple of extra mags from CDNN when we got home. Life is good! Happy wife, Happy life as they say. I just wanted to let folks know that there does exist quality facilities that do promote positive customer service and shooting experiences. I have no business affiliation with Point Blank, I'm just a very satisfied customer.

Many -- probably almost all -- of our nation's foreign policy problems would be fixed if we stuck to the maxim of "No better friend, no worse enemy." Unfortunately, many of our friends aren't sure they can depend on us to do what we say, and many of our enemies don't believe our threats and warnings, and for the same reason -- we don't always follow through. Trump does seem to have tried to address this in some ways, but he's limited by the fact that he's such a narcissistic, petulant blowhard. At least he's better than his 2016 alternative.

A company truck is my favorite ride. Gas card, free maintenance...what’s not to like?

I have been a TGO member since 2008; more active some years than others, but I am committed to checking in daily. Last autumn I realized how much I missed being on TGO on a regular basis. In the time I have been on TGO, 99.9% of the folks I have met have been kind, generous, funny, helpful (even when I ask dumb questions or make inane comments), and supportive when I have shared personal issues. As we start 2020 I want to offer a genuine and sincere THANK YOU to all who have interacted with me. It is my goal to be a friend, support, and advocate for everyone I meet on TGO. Let's not take Tennessee Gun Owners for granted. I am 64 years old and as I grow older, it is easy to realize that there are some things in life that we fail to truly appreciate. Blessings upon all who gather here.

I spoke to the Handgun Permit Office in Nashville on January 2nd for an update on reciprocity. I was told that all 50 states have been contacted, but so far only 13 states have responded. Of the 13, most were states that already did not recognize TN's permit, so (of course) they simply declined to recognize the new CCP as well. I did not ask about any specific states confirming that they will honor TN's CCP. However, the Handgun Unit did say that one state - North Dakota - has already confirmed that it will honor Tennessee's ENHANCED Carry permit but will NOT honor Tennessee's Concealed Carry Permit. I suspect there might be a few other states that will do the same (recognize the ECP but not the CCP). Also, I've seen Facebook posts recently that indicate that reciprocity will be exactly the same across the board for ECP and for CCP. That is false. I did specifically ask about that, and the Handgun Unit confirmed that is false (again, see North Dakota as an example). The Handgun Unit said they could not give me an estimated time or date by which they expect to have complete information about CCP reciprocity. Bottom line, reciprocity for the new CCP is still being determined. If you want a concrete list of states that recognize the TN permit, and you want to avoid any uncertainty (especially if you travel a lot), I'd just go ahead and go for the ECP.

Gotta love the mag.....

I assume he's talking about the missile attacks on bases in Iraq by Iran. Plenty of speculation on how Trump will get us out of this without sending troops to war. Hours after the attacks they are saying they don’t know if there are injuries. That’s ridiculous. Of course they know if there are injuries; this is 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-base-iraq-comes-under-attack-missiles-iran-claims-n1112171 Looks like they want to play

I just chose to skip the pistol brace thing, just like I skipped bump stocks. I got the same feeling when I read the letters. If I really want an SBR, I'll go the long route. The Feds are less trustworthy than a crack ho.

Now even more insane. http://knuckledraggin.com/2020/01/virginia-politicians-just-dont-know-when-to-quit/

I would find an old smith if weight was not an issue

The comments those pictures caused on Twitter are hilarious.

My comments here were not meant to get you or anyone else all wound up. We share information on this forum, and hopefully keep each other informed on the law, as best we can without having attorneys giving opinions on specific cases. My point was that the lame azz ATF sends those letters out that get posted all over the forums and folks act like they are the law. The ATF then goes on to tell you those letters have no force of law. However, they will be more than happy to provide a copy of that letter at your trial where a real judge will determine if what you did violates the law. That part of their silly non-sense rarely gets posted. So that’s what I’m doing.

First, this class IS NOT a 'shooting class'. The shooting is simply to document a minimal level of competence with a firearm. If you shoot as much as you say you do, you should be able to do it blindfolded. The class does emphasize safety and law. Being prior military does not prove any of the 3 points. But the TFA says it best and I will post it here...….. From TFA newsletter" "So, should a citizen who wants to carry legally with a permit opt for the original (now enhanced) permit or the “concealed only” permit? The answer is clear – get the original permit. Why? First, the original / enhanced permit allows open or concealed carry. Many people do not plan to carry openly so they assume that they can save the $35 dollars and get the concealed only option. However, there are risks to that. Florida and other states have had “concealed only” permits for years. One common problem (that Florida finally fixed) was that some of those statutes do not defined what “concealed only” means. A related problem is that some of those statutes do not address whether “imprinting”, accidental exposure or even unavoidable exposure (such as placing the weapon in your vehicle trunk to secure it at a gun free zone) are allowed or whether such exposures can result in criminal charges. In Florida, prior to its law being rewritten, people could be and were charged with imprinting and incidental exposure of the firearms. Despite the clear need to address a definition of concealment and what happens with imprinting or incidental exposures, Tennessee’s new “concealed only” permit does not address these issues at all. See, Tennessee Code Annotated Section 39-17-1366. Opting to get the “concealed only” Tennessee permit may put someone at risk for criminal charges because the law was poorly (perhaps intentionally) written based on the information we have from other states. Second, not necessarily in order of significance, is the issue of reciprocity. Right now, about 35 states honor the Tennessee original/enhanced permit. It is not known for certain how many will honor (if at all) the “concealed only” permit. What we do know is that several states changed their reciprocity standards when Tennessee started issuing permits to certain 18-20 years olds a few years ago. It is foreseeable that the training differential between the two Tennessee permits might result in different reciprocity standards as well. Third, the concealed only permit is not a defense or exception to the same extent that the original/enhanced permit is. One area is with respect to certain schools/universities which do have exceptions for the original/enhanced permits (mainly for employees). Another area impacts hunters who hunt during archery and black powder seasons who should absolutely avoid the concealed only permit. Fourth, as mentioned above, a citizen can apply for a “lifetime” original / enhanced permit. No such option is presently available for the concealed only permit. Fifth, involves an issue many citizens don’t consider. The training requirement might become an issue. There are clear differences in required training to get either permit. The training for the original/enhanced permit requires both classroom and range training. The training for the “concealed only” permit may or may not include range training depending on what kind of training the person opts to rely upon (for example, most hunter safety courses require that you at least shoot a gun once). This training may or may not make a difference on the question of whether you were legally carrying a firearm (a criminal law question similar to whether you had a driver’s license). However, if things go bad as they did with the Texas church shooting, the presence or absence of training and what kind of training was involved may make a difference if a third party is injured and brings a civil negligence or recklessness action. There are many other factors to consider but after the Tennessee Firearms Association looked at the legislation we felt it was best to oppose this new proposed “concealed only” permit as poorly written legislation, legislation that creates needless civil and criminal traps for civilians, and legislation that was unnecessary since Tennessee already had a permitting system that itself just needed a few tweaks such as reducing the application fee or expanding the training options. Rather than do that, however, the legislature made things worse rather than better. On a positive note, some Tennessee legislators realized then and now that this second option of a concealed only permit was not the path that Tennessee should have been on. Seventeen states including 4 that touch Tennessee have adopted pure constitutional carry laws (no permit required at all). Approximately 30 states, including 7 of the 8 states that touch Tennessee, do not require permits or training if you are openly carrying a firearm. In October 2019, a new bill was filed in Tennessee that would if enacted adopt “constitutional carry” or “permitless carry” in Tennessee but which would still allow people to get the original/enhanced permit for reciprocity. That is what Tennessee’s legislature should have done in 2019. Let’s see what they do in 2020."

At 15 oz, the 442 has been adequate for a carry pistol. I don't shoot it often as I prefer a 938 or Shield.

Someone needs to remind him that he wouldn't need that pistol brace if his dad would get rid of the NFA, or... hell... the BATFE.

I have a LCR .357 I purchased several years ago, and I have been pleased with it. I shoot mostly . 38 special at the range, but if I carry it, I use Hornady Critical Defense .357. It's not too bad. I did however change the front sight.

You're really missing out on that BMW you always wanted. They are offering 84 month car loans now...

That’s the ticket! I forgot about the 649. I will advise that the 357 magnum round out of any j frame is quite a handful.

Only? Wow! We have 5 vehicles, and altogether they wouldn’t be worth $40k. Heck, I could add my boat, 4 wheeler, and my son’s street bike and still don’t get up to 40k. That’s quite a sum to have tied up in a depreciating asset.

He kinda reminds me of working special housing in a max joint once. The "bug" inmate in there would say anything thing. Sometimes it was true and sometimes not.... You cant read em. America's adversaries who ever they are, are not about to gamble with a bug. The joe straight moderates are boringly predictable. Ha.... like the nearly year Saddam had to get his WMD's flown to Syria. I like his tweets tho I never bother reading anything on twitter. I could care less.... Litmus test is if it bothers a lib, its got to be good. Obviously Trump is not quite 100 percent right in the head but that is exactly who you need to combat the explosion of Liberalism in the US. All the goody 2 shoe Republicans have let the Dems run rampant in the corruption dept for way, way too long. Long live Trumpizim..... If only to piss em all off!

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Kahrman is the 3rd shooter I know personally to buy a kimber only to not like it and move it on. Couldn't say on the LCR. Since you specified concealed hammer instead of DAO (internal hammer) like the 640 and dont want lightweight like the 638 (airweight) my suggestion would be a 649. You still have the hammer for single action but its shrouded for no snag carry situations, its stainless so it has the weight , and its 357 so you can shoot either. It's not the cheapest option but having been a longtime stud in the smith stable you should be able to find one used for a decent price.

How many legal HCP holders leave the house without their card? Kinda like leaving the house without ur wallet? NOT! as someone above noted I'm also suspicious the dude didn't have a card. Morgan88

Why... you think those kids might drink a lot milk?

Meh, I shoulder mine all the time. ATF has deemed it is ok, and until they officially change their mind I will keep doing it.

How many times will Islamic countries in the Middle East and Western Asia have to tell us explicitly, and in no uncertain terms, that they do not want us mucking about in their internal affairs and conflicts with other Muslim countries before WE get a clue? Remember, the Iranian government that exists today does so because we deposed a democratically elected president who was not keen to ally with the US in favor of a brutal dictator who was. Then we kept him in power for over two decades. Then when the people of Iran had enough, we teamed up with the brutal dictator next door to support him in waging war against the Iranians for the next decade. Maybe, just maybe, the Iraqi parliament voting to expel the US is an opportunity. An opportunity to respect the wishes of a sovereign nation with regards to how they wish to conduct their own affairs and an opportunity to end a war that should never have been begun in the first place. I actually agree with your view on how to prosecute war. It should be terrible, and horrible and recognized as the last thing anyone wants. Not trying to wage it “humanely” is actually the most humane way to go about it because it should be a better deterrent. At the same time, not mucking about in other folks’s business is also another great way to not get drawn into wars as well. I don’t pretend to be an expert ME culture or politics, but sometimes even if you don’t exactly know the right way to go about something, it is still blindingly obvious that what you are doing is wrong. Our entire approach to the ME is wrong. From occupying Iraq, to antagonizing Iran, to allying with the KSA we’re just plain doing it wrong. It’s Not just ok to recognize that and move towards correcting those mistakes, I think it’s the right thing to do.

I moved here (I live in Jefferson City) from Massachusetts in September. Not a lark, my wife and I spent a year and a half choosing where to go, eastern Tennessee was the choice for MANY reasons. We're glad we're here, we're not going anywhere. I told her "when I die, have me cremated and sprinkled on the hill in back." Anyway... I know people personally that now live in Virginia. One of them has been going to "Lobby Day" for years. She's active politically and articulate, and when she tells me they're concerned about what will happen when the legislators come back I believe her. Libs WILL create laws and enforce them as they see fit, regardless of constitutionality. It takes YEARS to get a case to SCOTUS, even assuming they decide to hear it. In MA the federal assault weapon ban never sunsetted, MA copies and pasted it and made it state law. For years we just lived with it. Then on 7/20/16 our (theirs now!) Attorney General "reinterpreted the law and decided that "copies" or "substantially similar" firearms were not to be sold or possessed and were felonies. Those in possession were essentially "felons in waiting". Gun shops statewide stopped selling them. Private sales became expensive, a "pre 7/20 ban" AR essentially sold at a premium. There were no prosecutions, but it became increasingly difficult to buy a rifle. Many vendors won't ship ANYTHING to MA. Hats, tshirts, nada. Forget about complete or even 80% lowers. Some companies won't ship SPRINGS. So it happens, burying your head in the sand almost guarantees it will. Once the law is in place fighting it becomes harder and more expensive. This #### needs to be stopped BEFORE it happens, not "fixed" later. Who would have thought 20 years ago we'd be arguing about bathrooms and wedding cakes? We are now. You think that the landscape will be recognizable 20 years from now? Lol. Go watch "Idiocracy". Virginia is the canary in the coal mine.

Simple physics. Big slow bullet out of a bigger, heavier gun has less recoil than a small fast bullet out of a much smaller, lighter gun. I've shot some pocket size .380s that down right hurt.

This one made me laugh.

Maryvull should be on this list.