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Aw man, don't go there. On another forum the video had barely come out when a bunch of Internet "experts" started critiquing everything the security team did wrong. Muzzle sweeps, poor movement, lack of cover etc. Bottom line is the BG was stopped as soon as he got started. No further injuries. Nobody was shot by accident. Sure, they probably could have done better, but there's no point in bringing it up now. This was a win!

John has a video out on it already. If you aren't familiar with him do yourself a favor and watch a few of his other videos. He's running the best self defense channel on YouTube in my opinion.

There really is a special place in hell for people that target churches or their congregations (of any kind) like this.

Went to the gun show at Lebanon this AM. Bought my better half, a new S&W airweight 38 Special +P. actually I traded my Walther PPQ for it. Carried it home, presented it to her ( complete surprise ). She loved it. Now all I can hear is, " when are we going shooting", LOL. Another satisfied customer! Nice little revolver, fits her well, rubber ? grips.

A while back, I heard a guy ask a deacon at church whether he thought it would be o,k. to carry at church. The deacon told him that if something happened, he’d see at least a half dozen guns pulled, but it would be fine to carry, although concealment and judicious marksmanship would be appreciated.

I had a 442 used to farro it in a pocket holster when needed. It worked great while doing yard work and loaded with CCI shot shells for slithery things. I miss it.

If I'm not already on those lists, I'd be shocked.

I have never heard of the the guy and have no idea if he is a hack, but I agree with a lot of what he said. The guy who put the bad guy down was fumbling with his gun before the first shot was fired. What took so long? Also, two guys who show up on the screen after the smoke cleared pointed their guns at just about anybody inside the church. They need some training and practice or need to leave their guns at home. Both were a slip of an undisciplined trigger finger away from giving Democrats talking points on why ordinary citizens shouldn’t carry guns. Don’t get me wrong, I’m overjoyed the good guys stepped in, but there is a lot to learn from this video.

You also described the vast majority of guys at gun shows.

You are welcome to your opinion, but in mine John is a hack. He also violated his own practice of supposedly waiting 72 hours before he comments on an incident of this nature. I suppose the fear of losing clicks to his competitors drove him to abandon what I felt like was one of his few redeeming qualities. Not to take anything away from Mr. Wilson, and I certainly am very glad that he was there and was capable of doing what he did, but let's not hastily put firearms instructors on a pedestal and believe for a moment that being one is the only way that a person could perform similarly in such a dire circumstance. The big reason why being an instructor really matters here is that Mr. Wilson likely has spent more time packing and unpacking his bags at a shooting range than most people actually spend AT a shooting range in the first place. There's a reason why I harp so much on training and actually going SHOOTING with your gun. Proficiency comes with experience. Experience comes from doing. And most people need help doing it correctly, at least to begin with. We all should spend more money on ammo, and more time pulling the trigger in purpose-driven drills, than we do on hoarding collections of guns. Mr. Wilson knows how to shoot. He didn't get that way by accident. Any of us is equally capable of becoming proficient enough to do the job if we're willing to put in the focused-time and focused-effort.

Ditto. Sexy it ain't, but the returns averaged out from solid mutual funds don't lie. I'm more in the growth and capital funds as a percentage compared to index funds, but that's just where my risk tolerance is at the moment. At 57 or even 47, it'll be much different than it is now for me at 37. While this year, and quite honestly, the last nine to ten have been a great run...we kind of actually need a big enough dip for general health. When Warren Buffett is sitting on over $120 billion in cash because he doesn't see any value buying opportunities, the market is a bit too bloated for its own good.

Heck. I'm not sure I trust some of my friends.

Some folks don’t need to be on the Internet...or maybe even being anywhere near a gun.

I retired from 30 years of service with the State of Ohio (Corrections Officer) on Halloween and moved into a new house just east of the Sevierville city limits. Still learning when to avoid the peak tourist traffic, but am learning the back ways around pretty well. Love the mountain views. One of the great things is having a newly re-opened indoor range about 3/4 of a mile from my house. I am looking for an outdoor range where I can shoot muzzleloaders. I am aware of the Gatlinburg Sportsmans Club, but don't really want to pay for another range membership fee just to burn black powder occasionally. Anyone know of a place in or around Sevier County?

...and I’m glad they do! With everything turning to Facebook, etc. I’ve missed the forums. Names Joe, I’ve been living in Clarksville most of my life. Have a small collection of firearms but always growing . Currently awaiting delivery of the Extar EP9.. just wanted to pop in and say hello . Are there any here that EDC a full-size pistol? I’ve had a lot of trouble finding a good IWB holster for my M&P 2.0 with a 5” barrel. I know it’s not a popular carry pistol especially for concealed.

Agree. While I know it's a "shooting game", the few times I've shot IPDA matches it's showed me how much more time based and movement shooting I need to do. Every time I've done it, I come away more humble than when I arrive.

Satin black steel ammo box from Academy Federal Black Pack ammo Smith & Wesson M&P custom made logos .clickable thumbs.

So what does this older, now called "enhanced," permit offer that the new and streamlined permit doesn't? Bingo. Rather join the 16 states that already have Constitutional carry.

After clicking that link, I'm almost certainly on a list now..

Congratulations my friend.

Tier One Tactics is owned and operated by a very longtime personal friend. He’s worked local law enforcement, DEA, and US Air Marshall’s.

Yes, there is. And you were correct, not so long ago. Hope she don't want to take up reloading with my stuff. Whole different ball game, LOL.

Wilson (on the left side if the screen, not the guy who got shot) reaches for his gun before the bad guy starts shooting and it’s 3-4 seconds before he draws. He then fires a shot 1.5-2 seconds later. He was clearly struggling to either get to his gun or to get it out of his holster. If he intended to hit the bad guy in the head, then kudos to him and his fondness for the front sight. Whatever the case, I’m glad Wilson went to church yesterday.

Now that is an interesting collection of characters.

Is there a new lady in the house as well? For some reason I had in my mind that you lived alone.

That's a great new toy. Is your wife trying to tell you you're slackin?? Gifts where everybody wins are the best. I'm waiting for a Rosey the robot. Soon enough hopefully.

Welcome. Check out Squared Away Customs. They make some nice holsters. https://www.squaredawaycustoms.com

https://youtu.be/3Xl0Qr0uXuY

Same here. Nothing but cheesy tourist traps. I live only an hour away and I haven't been there in many years.

At my age I didn't think the lifetime permit would be a good deal. I don't even buy green bananas anymore.

The only revolver that I carried in the last several years is a 442. The size and weight are ideal for carry.

my 442 is part of my rotation of CCWs,its super light and easy as a LCP to hide

Semantics aside - you don’t want to find yourself in a position where you’re trying to explain this to law enforcement. And, note a serialed firearm is a firearm regardless of the projectile it’s firing. If you’re in a place where you can shoot air guns but not firearms, get an air gun. They make some great ones. Likewise, if you want to play with the Aguila primer only rounds, have a big time. Just clean your weapon well afterwards. Also note - there are questions about exactly what mix Aguila uses - but consensus is it’s dirty. Either make sure you’ve got great ventilation or use it outside.

My last gun purchase was a full size 1911. A 1943 model from the CMP Prior to that was a S&W M&P9

Been my experience, if you paint the front sight, apply a coat of white before your permanent color. It will make the red redder, or the green greener, or the orange oranger. I learned that from experience. One thing though, thoroughly clean all the oil from the surface of the ramp or the paint will not stick well.

Edited quote to shorten it a bit. Rory Miller calls this the "Monkey Dance" in several of his excellent books. He offers a condensed summary of it, substantiating what you said, can be found here: https://ymaa.com/articles/violence-dynamics

“many bars and most nightclubs are populated by younger people. Take an emotionally charged atmosphere, stir in a generous dose of alcohol and/ or drugs, and you’ve got a good recipe for conflict and violence. Young males tend to have a long list of things to prove, whether they are conscious of them or not. Often their motives are unconscious because they are based on biological patterns of the human species. You probably don’t realize how much of what you think and feel is based on these patterns—and this especially applies to territoriality and status. Young men typically do not truly understand or fully appreciate the physical, psychological, and legal costs of violence. They often feel immortal, never considering the possibility of becoming maimed, crippled, or even killed in a confrontation. Consequently, young men will fight for any number of reasons—affiliations, self esteem, social status, not to be considered a wimp, the clothes they wear, revenge for some perceived slight, to impress a cute girlfriend, or just to blow off a little steam, to name a few.” This statement from The Little Black Book of Violence by Lawrence A. Kane and Kris Wilder has become my standard way of viewing bars/clubs at night.

I buy mutual funds, mostly index funds.

I don't have any problems with yankees that move down here to escape their overbearing northern state and integrate into southern society. However, I absolutely hate those yankees that move down here and try to bring the north with them.

If you decide to shoot surplus ammo in it do your research before you buy. There has been a lot of corrosive surplus ammo, both US and foreign, on the market in years past and it continues to surface. Much of it was packed in M1 clips, so would be a tempting buy. It's not such a big deal in a bolt rifle because there's only the bore to clean properly, but in a semiauto the entire gas system is exposed to corrosive residue and must be properly cleaned. I frequently mention this to new owners of military rifles because in my years of interest in them I've seen way too many that were beautiful on the outside but had ruined bores because corrosive surplus ammo was fired in them and they were not properly cleaned.

These are awsome weapons and extremely well made. Remove the grips id you are comfortabke with that and hise it out very well with gun scruber or similar solvent. If it was carried but not well maintained a really good cleaning is all that should be needed. It sounds like your return to battery issues are solved so I'd not polish anything. Lube it well with a quality light oil and shoot it. The two clicks you are feeling on reset should go away with the thourough cleaning and use. The rexoil spring is a great idea, they were rarely replaced and it is a wear item. Good luck. Its an awsome gun.

My thanks to you all. You've helped me reinforce my on thoughts on this. I am a fan/hoarder of several S&W revolvers, a few of them quite nice. Not huge collector value, but ones that have a pull for me. I was once told this..."Never trade a steel gun for a plastic gun." That has usually been my creedo. And as much as I like my PPQ 9, and would like a Q5 Match, this just doesn't work. Thanks again, friends, for your good advice. I think I'll pass this opportunity by.

Unfortunately It has no collector value anymore. Colt guys are a strange lot. Once a Colt has been refinished, the majority of Colt guys lose interest. So what you have now is a very nice commander sized 1911. Unless you find someone who wants it customized exactly like you did I think you will have a hard time getting more than $700-$800 out of it. As long as you love it who cares what the value is. Shoot it and enjoy it. I love Colt 1911's. Would love to see a pic of yours if you want to post it up.

I fell in love with the .45 Colt cartridge many years ago. Big bullet, big holes. big bang with very manageable recoil. What's not to like? Unfortunately, the traditional Colt style single action revolvers don't fit my hand at all. Not only do I not shoot them worth a crap, the back of the trigger guard beats the holy hell outta the knuckle on my middle finger. It only takes a few shots and I'll be bleeding. Along came Smith & Wesson and I discovered the Model 25. It was love at first shot. Over the years I've acquired several and they are some of my favorite shooters. The one on the bottom right is actually a 25-2 in .45acp. Everything else is .45 Colt. The one on the bottom left is a Model 25-7. These were a limited run made in 1989 featuring a 5" barrel, unfluted cylinder and matte black finish. These are without a doubt the finest and most accurate .45 Colts that S&W ever built. BTW: I also have a Winchester Model 94 Trapper in .45 Colt.

They make the SP101 in .327 federal now. New price looks to be between $550 and $650, 6 roundd and can be had with 3" or 4" barrel. Can go from mild .32 long loads to close to .357 magnum.

Sounds like a similar situation to my late wife. For her the answer was a 2" S&W Model 30 in .32 S&W long. Its accurate, easy to handle, very low recoil and totally reliable. The .32 long ain't no powerhouse, but its better than nothing and will get the job done if you do your part.

Any J-frame Smith & Wesson or Ruger SP101will fit the bill of a small revolver. They are both high quality and proven performers. But they are light and will have heavy recoil. If you could find a used K-frame Smith & Wesson like the 10,15,19,66; that would be the ticket. They are making the Model 66 again. Ruger makes the SP101 in 9mm now; that would help. There are plenty of options in quality revolvers, but as Whisper said, they all are pricey. In the K or L frame S&W revolvers you are looking at around ~500 used to ~700 new. J frames are less, but I doubt she would be happy with that small of a revolver shooting a good defensive round. Take her to a gun store and let her handle a 4” 686. If she likes the feel of that; home defense revolvers just don’t get any better. Most gun stores will have it in stock. Do some research to familiarize yourself with “J-frame”, “K-frame”, “L-frame”. If you or her need to fire a weapon at another human being; whether you survive could depend on that weapon operating properly. I have a bunch of different handguns I carry depending on the application; mostly semi-auto. But the gun on my headboard doesn’t change; it’s a S&W 686 .357 mag 4” revolver.

If she wants a heavier revolver, think about the Ruger SP101 in .32 Mag. Mild recoil, six rounds, and dependable. The only problem is that they're expensive nowadays.

You might try here. I've always heard he was the best. http://bowenclassicarms.com/about.html

take your pills Bob.