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Well, after a morning long outing we ended up purchasing 4 Rifles. The one I purchased was a Savage Axis XP bolt action in 308, and we got another for a grandson(11 Y O), a Savage Axis XP in 7MM 08. Another grandson (15) and his dad both purchased 243's. All have detachable magazines and Weaver 3x9 40 MM scopes on them. All have camo composite stocks. They are nice rifles for what they cost. Quality off assembly is fair, as two of the rifles has the scopes mounted crocked. Grandson 1 has already had his out, but not sighted in, yesterday afternoon. By the way both went hunting, yesterday afternoon, and one got a small buck also, but not with the 243 they just purchased. He said he needed to check the scope zero before he trusted the new rifle. Very Wise! We arose at 3:00 AM and was in Bass Pro parking lot by 4:30. Too our surprise, there were about 500 people already there. By the time the store opened (5:00 AM) the were about 750 people in line to get in the store. They had 110 of these rifles for sale. They were gone in 15 minutes. It took up until 11:00 AM to get all the paperwork complete and on our way home. We ended up purchasing the 4 rifles for 169.99 each. The Rifles were regularly 349.00 with a 75.00 markdown by the store. Also all of them had a 75.00 rebate from Savage. We were also able to purchase 2, 600.00 gift certificates for 540.00 each (60.00 savings), which we used to pay for the rifles before we left. That amounted to another 30.00 per rifle off. That is how we came out with he 170.00 cost + sales tax, for each of the rifles. Have plans to get them out and look them over soon. Will go sight them in and see how they shoot. All in all we had a great day, with 2 grandsons (who will never forget this day) and their fathers out for a large Black Friday shopping spree at the Bass Pro (Man's Store my granddaughter call it). Slept like a baby last night! What-A-Day! The Creedmoor's were gone in the first 5 minutes.

Tom: The reality is that at age 64, my health is good and I hope to be around for the next 20 years. At the same time, I want to decide what happens to the guns now rather than later. I have thought about putting the L.C. Smith on the wall in my study . . . I may see if I can find some .300 Savage rounds and go out and open her up again! As for the .22/410 - after a lot of thought I think this will go to my granddaughter! Thanks to all for your feedback. One reason I find TGO meaningful.

Is it me or is this thread somewhat timely as we are full on in Black Friday week? Sadly I found it too late to curb my compulsion this go round. I appreciate the sobering thoughts. For transplants who lived it restricted states, the first year or two of the open firearm buffet seems to shut down your awareness and logic. A few months ago I was able to rein it in and was picking thru things to thin. I dabbled. But I still keep walking up to the buffet line because its there and I can still walk. With resolution season just ahead, its a good reminder that staying lean applies to a good many more things.

Civil Unrest would have been a great term to stick on the Patriot Militia at Lexington and Concord. I get there are some wackjob mouth breathers in these militias, but government is supposed to make laws that protect liberty and protect individual rights, not protect government.

Got this in e-mail today. Seems like ATF is trying hard, but swamped and outdated. The real culprit is the FBI. STORY HERE

Don’t give up hope just yet. Eliminate the basics before changing everything around and introducing new problems.

12 or 13 rnd G43X/48 factory mags?

In order: How come? (Is there an actual need, or do you just feel like you should? At this point, the cost to keep them is pretty minimal, eh?) If you like the aesthetic, you can have a Smith remove the firing pins, maybe even weld the holes, and hang it on the wall or make a corner stand (or similar) for it. If you just want it gone, call your local gun shop or local PD and ask if they'd take it to destroy. The guns that you have a personal connection to, I'd encourage you to pick up some ammo and take them to the range, rekindle that connection and maybe jar loose some fond memories. If you can find someone in your family or that you're close to who would appreciate your family guns, pass them on when the time is right. As an additional thought: When you've decided to pass something along to someone else, try to do it sooner rather than later. It's nice for everyone to see the use it's going to get, and to make some new memories with that object together. A friend of mine who is a baby boomer never married and has no kids. He gave me a .22 a few years ago that was his dad's and that he grew up with. I never knew his dad, but I count myself lucky to have the friendship that it represents to me. I send him a photo of rifle and game when we've had a successful hunt, and will likely teach my boys to shoot with it. He'll get photos of that, too.

The only new Glock I'm ever going to get giddy over would be a single stack 10mm, the same length & hight as a 19, with the width of a 43/48.

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud I found this and now truly understand the left.

As for guns you don't want to get rid of and may not be safe to shoot. I have three wall hangers, two are not safe to shoot and one was my father's first shotgun he bought when he was around 15, I assume he used his dad's guns for hunting before that. The two unsafe guns. one just looks neat and has very little value, my Dad had it in his collection and the other a gunsmith gave me when I was about 10, it is a neat little Sevens Little Scout pack .22 with a bad barrel and he took the firing pin out to be sure I didn't do something stupid. Back in those days I use it to play cowboy's and indians and the neighbors didn't blink an eye. The other benefit to having 3 long guns hanging in the living room is the comments from the occasional liberal visitor. My favorite was "those aren't real are they". I told her yes and explained that two were not operational and the other was a single shot shotgun that was my Dad's. I didn't tell her she was sitting about 4 feet from an open door that had a loaded pump shotgun behind it.

You will shoot your eye out.

That sign is at all of them nationwide. It’s only applicable to guns brought in for trade/smith/range services. I use the range at the one in Springfield, MO when I’m in town and they check the gun, and put a trigger lock on it that’s removed at the range or whatever counter who’s services you require. As far as your loaded carry gun, they aren’t concerned with that.

The idea of a paddle holster is appealing, for this very reason, but Ive yet to try a paddle holster that seems very secure. They seem to move too much for me.

Case length good? Just for chits & giggles, measure the diameter of that bullet.

Ancient history now and I'm fine. My point is that such things make you re-evaluate your life and realize just how fragile it is.

Just so I'm clear, you're good with the ATF raiding a guys farm, ruining his life, and stealing nearly half a million dollars over 1/2 once of the devils lettuce? That's not even why they raided his place. That was just the ONLY thing they were able to pin on him after what was clearly a b.s warrant to begin with.

Last weekend I drive to the Ridge in Dayton, TN to assist and participate in Defensive Concepts for Low Light Environments. Randy Harris, founder of Harris Combative Strategies was our instructor. Class start was 6pm, we had 15 students, including 3 ladies. Having never shot at night, i was looking forward to it. No fancy gear, my trusty CZ 75B with 10 year old OEM night sights, Safariland accordion-style universal single mag pouch (works like a champ) and new Fenix UC35 flashlight with up to 1000 retinal burning lumens. This particular flashlight was $89.95 at SMKW, selected based on previous experience with the LD05, on board USB charger, and 2 battery choices. I am NOT a light expert, so this is opinion. A good flashlight runs $60+ depending on features. A good flashlight makes for an excellent striking weapon or use to break glass. Combination of classroom and range work. Here's what I learned: It is not illegal anywhere in the world to carry a flashlight in your hand. As a rule, people don't like to get flashed, so a blast of light from waist down with a firm, "I'm sorry, I can't help you," should be pretty effective. For me, I get to see his hands For him, I've added a huge question, who carries and uses a flashlight? At the very least, not your typical antelope. If unable to disengage, a blast to the eyes, with, "hey buddy back off," gives about 2-3 seconds of time before the potential bad guy has clear vision. To know is from experience, so we all got blasted in low light, but not dark - that was later. If a light blast to the eyes doesn't dissuade the predator, and he's close, strike him in the face with that well made, machined aluminum with fantastic gripping surfaced cylinder of hurt. Sounds really John Wick like, but really a simple gross motor skill. Then it was dark and time to shoot. I discovered there was enough ambient light from the other shooters illuminating their targets, I didn't really need more light. I also discovered positioning the light is important to avoid losing my front sight from splash along the top of the slide. Other musings When I would step to the rear to hydrate, I was about 25 yards from the firing line. As 8 students were shooting and flash illuminating at different tempos, it was chaotic to experience. Point being, a running gun battle at night is scary. I came to the realization that I've been approaching this shooting thing the hard way; day light, two hands, can easily see the target. 10 yards, move to cover, engage strong hand, flashlight however you want to manage it, 6" steel, don't hit the bystander or The Suit. Ding Ding ding Ding ding ding Ding ding ding (Randy didn't say exactly how many) ding. I'm also pleased with my overall progress with slide lock reloads. If nothing else, a fun confidence booster. Feedback from the class: start earlier due to volume of content, convert dry erase to PowerPoint for classroom. Last drill, a little after midnight, only ambient is starlight, no moon, and it's dark in Dayton. After I flash you in the face, when you can see the target, draw and fire. I'd estimate 20-30 seconds in my case and almost a minute for full night vision. Tremendous amount of time to do a variety of things. Tips from Randy: Turn off the lights when practicing dry and add your light. Hit a mirror to experience what the BG will experience in different light levels. I am an unpaid spokesperson and talented valet for Randy Harris and Harris Combative Strategies.

Nice hunting car

Thanks, a nice pocket holster for my 42-$35ish. I think I made need to hide my debit card now...

What we need is a 10mm that is truly the size of a G19. What we'll get is a new Glock trenching tool.