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I never cared all that much for Colt revolvers but that Royal Blue they had on Pythons and other snake guns was perfection, but then again so was the blueing on every Smith & Wesson until they started cutting costs resulting in black guns they called blue. Proper blueing is becoming a lost art unless you pay dearly for it and there are only a couple of people in the country that can do it old school.

Google "Registered Magnum" or "Colt Diamondback". That's how handguns are supposed to be finished.

My credit score is over 800 and all I do is pay my bills on time. When you apply for a significant loan, banks look at a thing called "debt potential". Meaning, how much debt could you pile up quickly without them knowing about it.... i.e., credit card debt. I can assure you having all those accounts open will be viewed negatively. When we applied for our current mortgage, the lender showed both of us old credit card accounts that we hadn't used in years (mostly store cards) that we'd forgotten about and assumed were closed but they weren't. The sum of the credit lines was a rather big number. The lender advised us that we'd get a better rate if we formally closed those accounts. We did and we did.

As previously stated, OP was done based on his requirement for high polish since that is not how any standard modern 92 variants come. Italy or no. As far as Gallatin QC. I dont see it relagated to them. MD has issues from what I've seen and even sent back (92G-SD around 2015) and a recent repair. Its more the fact that the current workforce and standards are not what they were many places in the US. In Beretta's case they are being most let down by the machining, whoever or where ever they are made. And that most of their assembly folks seem to have marginal skills using a hammer and punch and like to miss and damage the slides. The current barrel and locking blocks are causing frame damage from rough or incomplete rail cuts that are not chamfered or dehorned. Then slide assemblies forced into place with the barrel out of alignment to the frame rails damaging the aluminum frame rails with heavy chips dragged thru the gun on test fire. That is simple carelessness in assembly, but its also driven by changed in production standards and through put requirements. I got my Volunteer 92G and it was flawless with great build quality, but my 92 Compact L bought at the same time was replaced by Beretta for the aforementioned bad barrel maching (MD issue, not Gallatin). That said, I've sent back two S&W revolvers with overclocked barrels (seriously how hard is that) and a 329PD with a sprung yolk that had the the ejector bushing grinding out the back of the frame. Countless issue with Sigs, I would not buy either a S&W revolver or Sig without hands on and heavy inspection first. If anyone compares a modern Colt M4 to one from just a few years ago....you may be surprised unless you got very lucky. They are grinding extensions to solve feeding problems as well cheaper bolts lacking the level of machining their old ones had, among other things. It's BS. For me, the poster child for poor or non-existent QC while banking on marketing, IS Sig. Hands down. And its gotten worse with their pursuit of .mil contracts. Flame suit on for you P365 bandwagoning first time Siggers. There is a reason why folks want Italian Beretta's and German Sigs. Here is the thing, and its really frowned on here, but folks are having a problem accepting some new realities. Cost reduction is king. Production standards are demanding more volume, less time, and reduced QC as cost cutting measures. And it seems to hit harder in the US. Hard pill to swallow, current American made is not what it once was. And its not 100% the workforce, but their management and bottom line focus. From both profit motivation and simply trying to stay competitive. I want to malign the 18-30 years olds that do the work, I do think its a factor based on a more indifferent attitude, but hard to say if that is the gen versus bad workplace restraints that are causing it.

Yep, we are our own worst enemy, we create panic when there is no need. And in those times of panic retailers in our industry are no longer our friends; too many of them anyway, there are a few that try to hold the line. Had all those ammo manufacturers spent a bunch on capitol improvements to output more quantity; they would be hurting, and equipment would be sitting idle right now. I wish the used market would start moving again.

One thing is for sure, there is no predicting where panics will take us. Remember the Great .22 LR Famine a few years ago? Totally unpredicted and complete hysteria based on ignorant nonsense.

I've had and worked on them all. I currently have, among many others, a Riley and a PSA (forged version). I mainly got them just to see how they stacked up. They are very much quality AK's. The irony on American made is that US makers tend to make parts TOO precise. When you tighten up an AK you loose the beauty of AK reliableness and start having problems. It's one of the reasons the Kalashnikov got away from milled receivers almost instantly and went back to folded. It's just recent that US makers have started figuring this out and loosening the tolerances. A great AK has loose tolerances, forged gas/FS/Trunions/BC/barrel, straight mounting of parts, folded receiver, and a good paint job. Quality AK! BTW - most any thing that isn't straight .... just get a dead blow hammer.

I feel about the same with anything in FDE. Certain cosmetics are love or hate

October is right around the corner....

No such animal exists. The TN guns are no different than the other 92's. As previously mentioned, that grill paint is called Bruniton. Its pretty good stuff, wears well. The 92 I've put over 15k rounds thru in the last 25 years still looks pretty newish.

I’m a retired Toolmaker that has worked in a lot of different types of manufacturing over the years. Machine Tools, Aircraft, Automotive, etc. My last gig was in Quality, programming CMM’s for First Article Inspection of aerospace parts. I could rattle on for hours about quality and manufacturing, and American made Us Vs. Them, etc. But I’ll keep it short. The lack of quality is because of the lack of quality….period. I’ve seen the Beretta issues blamed on everything from the lack of good machinists in Tennessee to the literacy rate in Tennessee, to the pay scale. The lack of good machinist’s excuse in this state is just silly, and the literacy rate excuse is obviously from someone that has a low literacy rate. The pay scale could possibly keep them from getting good Machinists, but it wouldn’t keep them from making goods Machinists. Nope, those are all BS excuses. If Gallatin is making bad guns or has quality issues; it’s because Gallatin’s Quality inspectors and Quality Manger are not doing their job. And that means their overseer, either Accokeek or Italy is not paying attention. Military contracts aren’t based on quality. They are politics; pure and simple. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and guess that they had some growing pains they are getting under control. Let’s hope so anyway. As far as you get what you pay for…absolutely. Whether its guns or legal advice. Low cost guns have a place and there is no shortage of people that will buy them. They want desperately for them to be good. Same with legal counsel; many can’t afford the lawyer that has the contacts to get them off and they have to settle for the one that can make the best deal they can afford.

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I have a Beretta / Wilson Combat Brigadier Model 92 that is Gallatin marked. It was expensive, and is a great shooting / handling weapon. I'm not sure where the standard Beretta 92's are made.

Another new member. Was looking for Tisas GI .45 reviews and came across this epic thread. Classic Arms is apparently selling them as of right about now. $339.00 https://www.classicfirearms.com/sds-imports-1911-a1-government/?trk_msg=F1SB6A4PKOQ4H41L0MDM425A08&trk_contact=6QLPGUMSLAP03900AFG1EN8K0C&trk_sid=SFA7SFK1H5SIELLDN504PRVLR0&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Get+Yours+For+%24339.99&utm_campaign=20190828SDSImports1911A1&utm_content=Primary Anyone going to do a new review?

Prices escalate and inventory dries up as a result of panic buying. In the past 10 years this has been the case and is 100% the result of Internet gun owner paranoia, IHMO.

“Tactical” to me has become more a descriptor of aesthetics and form rather than function. In my view folders are good for general purpose pocket duty. If you’re after something capable of heavy work or high force applications then you want a fixed blade. Like anything else, determine your needs based on intended use, set a budget and work from there.

+1 On the Mora Mora Knives at Amazon

You’ll wind up profoundly disappointed in either of those if you actually use them in any meaningful way. Assuming price is a factor, I’d pick a Spyderco Endura or a Delica if you want something smaller. These are both great folders. Or, in that sub-$30 category - maybe head to your local Walmart and pick up a Kershaw. We’re I looking for a fixed blade in that price range, I’d probably pick up a Mora or three.

I never stopped, or maybe it's Just an addiction.

Honestly, if you talk to New Yorkers from Upstate, they hate NYC and their dominance of politics as much as we do! They are just like Illinois. Downstate there is completely different from Chicago and it's suburbs.

I don't like their "See Something Say Something" attitude. for one it turns you neighbor into a spy watching your every move. Not all people are as up front as should be. I am all for stopping shootings before they happen but to turn you neighbor into security over their neighbors, I just don't like that approach. Red Flagg laws are not good laws either. Most that are proposed do not have ay appeal process. Once you are flagged you loose all second amendment rights plus a lot of other scrutiny coming your way. Suppose you get a judge like the one in Nashville who just got dethroned for forcing his litigants to have sex with him and his buddies to stay out of jail. No judge should have the power to revoke your rights on a suspicion of your neighbor.

Totally. Surely are focused on putting the weapons at the forefront to create as much negative association with them as they can, and in as close proximity as possible (when they can) to use their favorite buzz words, 'weapons of war'. They are more propaganda machine than news centered it would appear. When you look at them, it sure does seem some where a cry for attention versus a real threat. Wix is a good example. His text messages seem to be intended for that purpose even touching on if they were shared. Wanting to get a 3mile kill shot with a 22 rifle? All sent to an ex girlfriend with implication they use to plan such things when they were together. Doesn't that implicate her as well? That one rings as 100% BS But, hey, you only need to get a few to make it worthwhile (as far as enforcement effort) I still hold all names and personal demographics should be withheld from any real or planned events. It takes away the notoriety they seek. Sadly the Media INSISTS on rewarding these murders and asshats in general with all the attention they want.

What is changing here is that law enforcement is being allowed to do their job instead of having to worry about politics. Why? Because that’s what Americans want. In the past you have had plenty of people that want to argue that “That really wasn’t a threat”, or “He didn’t threaten a specific person, so there is no victim”. Those people are being told to sit down and shut up and the courts and the suspects peers will deal with it. Will it help? Sure, it may stop some shootings. But it won’t stop them. It won’t stop the nut case that doesn’t talk to anyone, and doesn’t post crap on Facebook; like Paddock or Lanza. In the stories I saw in the last few days it seems to me (or maybe I was just feeling guilty) that the press spends more time on how many weapons or ammo the people had, than on what they intended to do.

How is this possible? The news man thing said we need red flag laws to do this.

All I've purchased lately is a credible amount of pvc pipe and end caps.

First off, I'm new here, and this is my first post. I think with most any manufacturer, (Tisas or anyone else), you can get a good product, and you can also get a POS. And cost alone in itself does not control that. And this includes a lot of top American manufacturers. Anyone remember the S&W Sigma, or the Colt All American 2000? Or some of the dog POS pistols Ruger has put out over the years? A big part of the problem today are all of the blogs and You Tube "experts" out there, many of which wouldn't know a good weapon if they had one in their hand. They wind up putting a LOT of bad information out there. Back to Tisas. Using myself as an example, I recently purchased a Tisas Regent BR-9 Stainless Steel Hi-Power clone from Brownell's. It has proven to be an excellent, high quality pistol thus far. Excellent machining with very few tool marks inside both the frame and slide. And very good slide to frame fit. And a very good trigger. Especially considering the gun has a magazine safety, which is known to increase the trigger pull on Hi-Power's. The gun digested 400 rounds of 4 different types of 9 MM ammunition without a single FTF or FTE. And that included 100 rounds of Federal 9BPLE +P+ Hollow Points. With that said I did purchase the Tisas BR-9 Essential Reliability Kit from BH Spring Solutions. It give you an extra extractor, firing pin retaining plate, as well as all the necessary springs and roll pins to replace them. I have 2 other Browning Hi-Powers, and it can never hurt to have extra parts available. But as of yet they have not been needed. I know 400 rounds isn't a tell all, but it's a damn good start. So as is the case with most manufacturers, it really isn't fair to judge them on a single product. https://bhspringsolutions.com/tisas-br9-hi-power-/358-tisas-br9-hi-power-essential-kit.html And After 400 Rounds

Fossil? That hurts, man.

I think its funny y'all dont think someone would not know what a polished blued gun looks like because they would own a Beretta. As entertaining as Dave's ramblings can be, I think he led you astray me thinks with that one crack missing that last posts where only in reference to how one would classify a Beretta finish. Forgot I had previously mentioned not shiny blue but a yucky paint. At his age....probably hard to remember things For what its worth, I do own some of those fossil guns you guys are on about with that shiny blue finish, or whats left of it in a couple cases.

Oh yes, a sign of an epic weekend coming up? I think so.

Never die thread, please go on forever and ever.

I saw on the news that the cook guy who threatened to shoot up the Marriott Hotel had an 'arsenal', and hundreds of rounds of ammo. Hmmm. The picture they showed looked like 2 or 3 long guns and 2-or 3 pistols. Thats an arsenal? Not saying he couldnt do a lot of damage with that, heck it just takes one gun and some ammo to do a lot of damage. Wonder what the news media would think of some or the collections of guns belonging to people on here, lol. I had more guns than that and plenty of ammo for each caliber before they were all tragically lost in that boating accident in the lake...

I am getting in early. Gonna buy all the black powder rifles I can. Sadly I see a future where that might be all we can use....